RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION

"Jim Phillips" wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005, ring_theory wrote:


"Jim Phillips" wrote in message
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I hope the damned thing splits into 3 pieces and mars pulls it in.

Wait, I thought you didn't want it impacting on Mars--what gives?


I don't want it impacting earth.

I notice you snipped the calculations I made showing that Tempel 1
is about 30,000,000 times more massive than the impactor. Do you still
think the impactor will have much of an effect on Tempel 1? If so, why?

Are you aware of 9p temple1's orbital cycle? slow it's velocity any at all
and either mars or jupiter are going to get a new moon named temple1.
Mars more than likely providing temple1 doesn't reach escape velocity from
mars's gravity farther around the planet hurtling it in a unexpected
direction. I'm sure earth is close by. we don't need a new moon or an angry
earth as the comet passes.

The deep impact mission is a stroke of genius. I just wish NASA would have
picked a different subjet to impact or by one of the existing missions on
mars.

With the same precision that the impactor is going to impact. nasa could
just as well put a exploration robot probe on the surface. or attempted to.
we make discoveries even through failure.

ring

In article ckybe.17715$c24.5676@attbi_s72,
ring_theory wrote:

Are you aware of 9p temple1's orbital cycle? slow it's velocity
any at all and either mars or jupiter are going to get a new
moon named temple1.

I was award a grade of A in an orbital mechanics class at a
University. Obviously your grade if you had taken that class
would be quite a bit poorer.

In article 5qybe.17558$WI3.7452@attbi_s71,
ring_theory wrote:

but a change in velocity even a small one will effect it's
interaction with mars.

Do you understand the concept of resonance? For that matter do
you understand the concept of significant figures?

"ring_theory" wrote in message
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What steps are you taking to avoid being hit by a meteorite?

What steps can you take??
I don't go places where they frequent. I don't throw 370kg impactors at
22,000 mph trying to shear a chunk off of them. and to tell you the truth
I'd appreciate it if NASA wouldn't.

The biggest problem you have is your total inability to quantise the risk,
which means you have blown the whole deal out of all proportion. There are
things that you are doing every day which carry a risk so much greater that
it seems to have defied your sense of logic.

Sit down and have a think about where this irrational fear has come from.
Then you may be able to work out why it is bothering you so much and deal
with it. At the end of the day, nothing you post here on USENET will affect
the mission or its outcome so what are you trying to gain - other than more
ridicule from people?

I would suggest you stop watching Science Fiction movies and spend a bit
more time in the library reading about, amongst other things, classical
mechanics and basic astronomy.

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:24:24 GMT, "ring_theory"
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"Jim Phillips" wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005, ring_theory wrote:


"Jim Phillips" wrote in message
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I hope the damned thing splits into 3 pieces and mars pulls it in.

Wait, I thought you didn't want it impacting on Mars--what gives?


I don't want it impacting earth.

I notice you snipped the calculations I made showing that Tempel 1
is about 30,000,000 times more massive than the impactor. Do you still
think the impactor will have much of an effect on Tempel 1? If so, why?

Are you aware of 9p temple1's orbital cycle? slow it's velocity any at all
and either mars or jupiter are going to get a new moon named temple1.
Mars more than likely providing temple1 doesn't reach escape velocity from
mars's gravity farther around the planet hurtling it in a unexpected
direction. I'm sure earth is close by. we don't need a new moon or an angry
earth as the comet passes.

The deep impact mission is a stroke of genius. I just wish NASA would have
picked a different subjet to impact or by one of the existing missions on
mars.

With the same precision that the impactor is going to impact. nasa could
just as well put a exploration robot probe on the surface. or attempted to.

Do you realise that the conditions near a comet are NOT like the
conditions shown in "Armageddon" It would be extraordinarily
foolhardy to put an expensive, sensitive space probe *too* close to
the nucleus. Hence the impactor.




we make discoveries even through failure.

You must have a cupboard full of patents, then.

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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:24:24 GMT, "ring_theory"
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"Jim Phillips" wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005, ring_theory wrote:


"Jim Phillips" wrote in message
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I hope the damned thing splits into 3 pieces and mars pulls it
in.

Wait, I thought you didn't want it impacting on Mars--what gives?


I don't want it impacting earth.

I notice you snipped the calculations I made showing that Tempel 1
is about 30,000,000 times more massive than the impactor. Do you still
think the impactor will have much of an effect on Tempel 1? If so,
why?

Are you aware of 9p temple1's orbital cycle? slow it's velocity any at
all
and either mars or jupiter are going to get a new moon named temple1.
Mars more than likely providing temple1 doesn't reach escape velocity
from
mars's gravity farther around the planet hurtling it in a unexpected
direction. I'm sure earth is close by. we don't need a new moon or an
angry
earth as the comet passes.

The deep impact mission is a stroke of genius. I just wish NASA would
have
picked a different subjet to impact or by one of the existing missions on
mars.

With the same precision that the impactor is going to impact. nasa could
just as well put a exploration robot probe on the surface. or attempted
to.

Do you realise that the conditions near a comet are NOT like the
conditions shown in "Armageddon" It would be extraordinarily
foolhardy to put an expensive, sensitive space probe *too* close to
the nucleus. Hence the impactor.



Bah! NASA could have done it with surgical precision. As a general rule
movies aren't a good source for emperical observations.




we make discoveries even through failure.

You must have a cupboard full of patents, then.


No. I only got room for one. but it's a doozy.

Ring

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005, ring_theory wrote:


"Jim Phillips" wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005, ring_theory wrote:


"Jim Phillips" wrote in message
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I hope the damned thing splits into 3 pieces and mars pulls it in.

Wait, I thought you didn't want it impacting on Mars--what gives?


I don't want it impacting earth.

I notice you snipped the calculations I made showing that Tempel 1
is about 30,000,000 times more massive than the impactor. Do you still
think the impactor will have much of an effect on Tempel 1? If so, why?

Are you aware of 9p temple1's orbital cycle?

Yes.

slow it's velocity any at all
and either mars or jupiter are going to get a new moon named temple1.

Please show the calculations you used to come to this conclusion.

Mars more than likely providing temple1 doesn't reach escape velocity from
mars's gravity farther around the planet hurtling it in a unexpected
direction.

How close does Tempel 1 get to Mars now?

I'm sure earth is close by. we don't need a new moon or an angry
earth as the comet passes.

How close does Tempel 1 get to Earth now?

The deep impact mission is a stroke of genius. I just wish NASA would have
picked a different subjet to impact or by one of the existing missions on
mars.

Again, why? Tempel 1 is at least 30,000,000 times more massive than
the impactor, so why do you think Tempel 1's orbit will be changed?

With the same precision that the impactor is going to impact. nasa could
just as well put a exploration robot probe on the surface. or attempted to.
we make discoveries even through failure.

Again, you simply do not understand how difficult it is to land on a
small body.
I'd like to repeat the question you ignored: I notice you snipped
the calculations I made showing that Tempel 1 is about 30,000,000 times more
massive than the impactor. Do you still think the impactor will have much
of an effect on Tempel 1? If so, why?

--
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"Moms and dads these days are like the Democratic party: lame, spineless
and not holding up their end of the equation. And kids are like the
Republicans: drunk with power and out of control." -- Bill Maher

ring_theory wrote:
Bah! we don't want to know your fantasies or homophobic fears.
Your post speaks volumes. Did you take your meds??


hey ding-a-ling this is the first sensible post you have made.

however note how it also accurately describes everyones opinion of your
****ing posts as well.

noone wants to listen to pricks like +Revd going on, but remember
everyone is fed up of your scared pussy posts which have less science
than an episode of the simpsons.

In article 39,
bz wrote:

32 mm/sec = 115 meters per hour = 1,000,000 meters per year =
1,000 kilometers a year. How close does Tempel 1 get to Mars again?
How much do you think outgassing alters the comet's velocity?

The delta v event is a ONE TIME event, at the moment of collision.
Ring_theory erroniously assumes a continuing delta V.
You show that even if there were a continuning delta V, the effect would
be small.

The delta V was a one time event.

There will be a delta location that continues to grow, but that is NOT a
delta V. And it will be very small.

For that matter the out gassing from coming near the sun has a
much greater influence than this impact ever will. One grain of
sand does not make a beach.

In article jwPbe.20701$WI3.5457@attbi_s71,
ring_theory showed its ignorance with:

classic mechanics would have explained a solenoid.

No, that'd be E&M.