Amateur astronomer takes pics of UFO's through telescope

nightbat wrote

Darla wrote:

"nightbat" wrote in message
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nightbat wrote

nightbat

Many question, but all ultimately seek the truth. Well the
Australian outback is known to harbor intelligent and wild forms of
life. I expect it must have an effect on the regular folks down there.


This is not my field of interest or expertise, for down here,
the human mind is not fully understood, and though much progress has
been made towards understanding its complex mental processes, much is
still unknown.
Therefore, I can only render a casual non professional referred
discipline or personal opinion, concerning your addressed questions to
subject.

They are good posed questions from the point of general fundamental
attempt at understanding, how all thought may originate, be processed,
and internally be able to be distinguished from self understood stage
awareness versus objective reality. Including as separate main branches
of conscious thought from subconscious, imaginary, instinctive id,
intuitive, experienced, memory and/or acquired knowledge. And further
cognitive, logic, mathematical learned and applied, perceptive, fantasy,
objective projective, and highly gifted.

I defer from the human known but still questionable thought ability of
prelife recall, intuition, thought transfer, internal thought to
external physical object manipulation, thought body healing, out of
body, prayer, yoga meditation, sleep both light and deep, and a few
others.

How each though is regarded or perceived by the human mind is
questionable. It may use what ever though necessary for stimulus
presented not particularly to conscious level.


At any rate, how do you suppose that fractal study applies to your human
mind, and therefore to your scientific thought?

Darla

nightbat

Again, not my subject interest or discipline. However, fractal
study is now an important addition to psychology, mathematical, computer
and other applied field subjects but out of my realm of expertise.
Apparently if it is of interest to you and your species it must be
important in reference study to relative mental degree processing,
deciphering, utilization, thought understanding, and or mental expansion
perhaps. Some time lapse motion computer program generated fractals are
I understand very beautiful, mathematically intricate, varied, and quite
interesting. And yes, you could deduce a thinking mind is an extremely
complex but in a way a fractal composite of varied thought degree
ability whether human or not.


the nightbat

Darla
Not bad for treatment outside your usual interests or discipline, The
Nightbat, not bad at all.
Fractal studies, despite their great surface beauty, will someday show an
inner beauty which unfolds many saga endings, sheds light on the darkest of
human shadows.
People could do worse than giving fractal studies more than just a cursory
treatment.

Darla

nightbat

Does that mean Darla, I get some of that mysterious alien space
pudding? The one that possibly assures one of life prolonging
rejuvenation and sustenance? Or do you just receive Earth beamed
television, radio, and satellite regular commercials of some of our
favorite kinds, like Jell-O brand pudding?

What is your ETD for the galactic cloud jump? Hoped you've checked and
double checked all your ship systems and backups for positive go. It
sounds so exciting to go where present Earth folks would like to go. We
get excited if just one of our robot rovers on Mars start working again.
If only you could send back a cosmic pic or two of your journey for
history's sake to affirm you really did make it. Darla, your crew
reported exotic beauty I admit has aroused more then curious interest.
Do you have lots of curves like female humans or rainbow shining dolphin
like smooth body and evolved arms from fins? Can you also walk around
with dexterity and developed legs or do you need adaptive mechanism for
craft mobility?

Since you say you are ancestor dolphin like, you are then I take it warm
blooded, can you let us know what blood type you are? Are there perhaps
other advanced space colonies or planet civilizations close by that may
soon be discovered and reachable by our own space program? What kind of
time proved defense systems or weapons do you utilize against possible
aggressive or hostile other intelligent cosmic traveling life forms you
perhaps know about or might run across? So many questions so little time
before your trip. I know you're very busy, and respect your taking time
to converse. Give my respectful thanks to the Commander for permitting
you to now dialog with nightbat when you can on higher advanced level
questions.

I will always value one highly prized token of our friendship above all
things between cosmic science searching ethernet beings, " trust ". Of
course, ha, ha, those so advanced Tesla speculated light year
intergalactic transmitting communication decoder rings or just one pic
of stunning Darla with Commander Proz and brave space crew in front of
the propulsion system or craft, for strictly science sake, wouldn't be
bad either.


May you always journey safely and ponder on,
the nightbat

"nightbat" wrote in message
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nightbat wrote


Darla
Not bad for treatment outside your usual interests or discipline, The
Nightbat, not bad at all.
Fractal studies, despite their great surface beauty, will someday show
an
inner beauty which unfolds many saga endings, sheds light on the darkest
of
human shadows.
People could do worse than giving fractal studies more than just a
cursory
treatment.

Darla

nightbat

Does that mean Darla, I get some of that mysterious alien space
pudding? The one that possibly assures one of life prolonging
rejuvenation and sustenance? Or do you just receive Earth beamed
television, radio, and satellite regular commercials of some of our
favorite kinds, like Jell-O brand pudding?

G

What is your ETD for the galactic cloud jump? Hoped you've checked and
double checked all your ship systems and backups for positive go. It
sounds so exciting to go where present Earth folks would like to go. We
get excited if just one of our robot rovers on Mars start working again.
If only you could send back a cosmic pic or two of your journey for
history's sake to affirm you really did make it. Darla, your crew
reported exotic beauty I admit has aroused more then curious interest.
Do you have lots of curves like female humans or rainbow shining dolphin
like smooth body and evolved arms from fins? Can you also walk around
with dexterity and developed legs or do you need adaptive mechanism for
craft mobility?

We'll be leaving for the Perseus Arm in a few days.
Nish found a critical problem with one of our new systems, so we don't know
how long we'll be there before we make the next attempt.

The Nightbat, our physical state is usually minimal due to our almost
constant residence in what you would call zero-gravity.
For those times when we must enter a zone of gravity, we are required to
"beef-up" for a few days.
And yes, in emergencies we have been known to use adaptive mechanisms.

It may interest you to know that your fellow humans in our crew are very
adaptable to our environment.
And they, too, must undergo an exercise program before entering a gravity
zone.

Since you say you are ancestor dolphin like, you are then I take it warm
blooded, can you let us know what blood type you are?

Yes, similar to your mammals.
Of course, our cellular coding stems from our own evolutionary environ, so
there is no sexual compatibility (if this is where you are leading).
Any horror stories of ETs performing abduction for purposes of having sex
are pure Hollywood, as you say.

Are there perhaps
other advanced space colonies or planet civilizations close by that may
soon be discovered and reachable by our own space program?

No, none who are more advanced than your people.
Frankly, Nightbat, an advanced species must vacate their planet and live in
space for awhile before they can make the truly astonishing advances.

What kind of
time proved defense systems or weapons do you utilize against possible
aggressive or hostile other intelligent cosmic traveling life forms you
perhaps know about or might run across?

Our systems for handling hostilities are multi-level.
We use the appropriate system for a given situation.
Mainly, our defense system is a network of monitors.
We keep track of those who would aggressively approach us.
We haven't required "weapons" for a long, long time.

So many questions so little time
before your trip. I know you're very busy, and respect your taking time
to converse. Give my respectful thanks to the Commander for permitting
you to now dialog with nightbat when you can on higher advanced level
questions.

I will always value one highly prized token of our friendship above all
things between cosmic science searching ethernet beings, " trust ". Of
course, ha, ha, those so advanced Tesla speculated light year
intergalactic transmitting communication decoder rings or just one pic
of stunning Darla with Commander Proz and brave space crew in front of
the propulsion system or craft, for strictly science sake, wouldn't be
bad either.


May you always journey safely and ponder on,
the nightbat


Never too busy for our friends, The Nightbat.

Darla

"Dave" wrote in message
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Psychotherapists using Freudian methodology are popular all over your
world. You can dispute it all you want, and most of you Do dispute it
as judged by your literature.
Your dispute does not alter the facts.

Just because you say something is a fact Darla, doesn't make it one.

Depends on one's frame of reference? G


While several bright humans have made sophisticated modifications to
Freud's methods, this does not change the reality that Freud's "will
to sex" psychology is the basis for almost every form of
psychotherapy on your planet.
You are welcome to believe elsewise.
You delude yourselves in so many ways, what's one more?

And you delude yourself that you're an alien, and try to rope us all into
your fantasy. While there are Freudina therapists, they are not part of
the
mainstream.

Your hubris is showing. G
It is not possible for me to delude myself, DaveL.
This is a specific human trait, and my mental makeup precludes the
possibility.
However, you are encouraged to maintain your level of skepticism.
We count on it!

I never meant that mainstream therapists rely only or mainly upon Freudian
psychobabble.
The Freudian "will to sex" is merely the underlying foundation upon which
all your modern techniques are constructed.

Anyway, we're getting off topic for alt.astronomy.


DaveL


DaveL



Yes, I can see where your responding to an astrobiologist who is not from
your planet on the subject of the human mentality which will either make or
break your ability to eventually escape the bonds of your imaginary "fields"
and to soar the unlimited skies before your eyes would be off-topic for
alt.astronomy.

Well, you still have your scopes. G

Darla

"Mad Scientist" wrote in message
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Darla wrote:


While several bright humans have made sophisticated modifications to
Freud's
methods, this does not change the reality that Freud's "will to sex"
psychology is the basis for almost every form of psychotherapy on your
planet.
You are welcome to believe elsewise.
You delude yourselves in so many ways, what's one more?

Darla



Freud had a major splitzo with the Pavlov camp as well and with his
student Jung who found his psychosexual focus with analysis far too
simplistic. However to get a psychology degree (which many of my
friends have) Freud is still required reading material. (B.F. Skinner
went further with behavioral science ofcourse than Pavlov) Jung on the
other hand has been shunned for a variety of reasons, probably because
he found inspiration in ancient Mythology. Joseph Campbell carried the
Jung banner farther than anyone else I suppose from which George Lucas
drew great inspiration from while writing his famous Star Wars saga.


Interesting way of putting it, Alice.
"Major splitzoes" are common in human psychotherapy.
Jung began a strange path with his studies of the I Ching, coincidence, and
ancient archetypes.
His hubris caged up many of his helpful thoughts, now lost to all of you.
A lesson well-learned?

Frankl on the other hand caged up his hubris.
Good reading his works are.
(That was my Yoda imitation.)
Have you noted, Alice, how important comic relief is to any study of chaos
theory?

Darla

"Double-A" wrote in message
m...
"Darla" wrote in message
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No reason to concern yourself, The Nightbat.
This wingnut may be a little loose around the threads, but skeptics are
always welcome.
In fact, I'm rather disappointed that the Australian mob gave up.
Very little "staying power" down under? G

So subject fractals:
Your unfortunate genius, Sigmund Freud, discerned three divisions of the
human mind.
Modern scientists appear to follow this 'religiously'.
What are your thoughts regarding there being several more levels of
thought
which can be applied by humans in many subtle ways?
Could each of these levels be an ideal expansion of the previous level?
Each higher level being essentially the same as the others save for
perhaps
being less accessible to awareness?


Carl Sagan thought that the human brain is a composite of a mammalian
brain overlaying a reptilian brain, and that the two brains work
together in an uneasy truce. When we sleep, he thought, the reptilian
brain is in control, because reptiles never really sleep. The
reptilian brain, he thought, controls our basic fight or flight
responses balanced by hunger versus fear. However our mammalian brain
could override these basic responses by using its higher reason
capabilities.

Good reason, Double-A, to study this in terms of the a. physical levels, b.
mental levels, and c. the many faceted holistic levels.
Your Carl Sagan and others studied a. and b., however few of you have even
scratched the surface of c.



And to save question time, I refer to your Freud as unfortunate for two
reasons.
Firstly, he careered in psychology, and this as you know is still
considered
a pseudoscience by many of your learned ones.
Try to imagine how ridiculous he seemed in his own time.
Secondly, his studies of animal behaviour were restricted to zoology.
There were no available studies of animal processes in their natural
habitat
in Freud's time.


From your far advanced viewpoint all of our men of medicine and
psychology must look like prancing barbaric witchdoctors to you. I
must admit they often look that way to me too. They like to take
credit for healing you of some little thing that your own body would
have healed itself of anyway, and then when you go to them with
something really serious, often all they can do is tell you how long
they think you have left! Nowadays they are drug pushers too, and the
prices that seniors are being charged for all those drugs that are
being prescribed would make a street pusher blush!



One fact seemingly counter to this argument is that human life-expectancy
has dramatically increased with the advent of serious science and medicine.

You must take the good with the bad, hopefully focusing upon and increasing
the good.
With this may you and your kind grow everlastingly.

As you may know by now, animals in zoos, unfettered by things like when
or
where the next meal will come from, will I be captured and eaten by a
predator today, and on and on, have only one thing left to occupy
themselves.
Of course, his conclusions do become more important for humans as you
continue to squeeze yourselves into tighter and smaller 'cages'.


"Stone walls do not a prison make,
Nor iron bars a cage" - Richard Lovelace.

They real cages we have confined ourselves to are the mental ones.

Double-A

You are confined to physical cages as well, Double-A.
As are we all.
Some cages are more desirable than others.
The least desirable cages are those which lead to extinction.
Your people are confined to many of these.
This is why it is always good to open a new can of worms on occasion. G
Worms often eat away at cage bars.

Darla

"Darla" wrote in message ...
[snip]

You are confined to physical cages as well, Double-A.
As are we all.
Some cages are more desirable than others.
The least desirable cages are those which lead to extinction.
Your people are confined to many of these.
This is why it is always good to open a new can of worms on occasion. G
Worms often eat away at cage bars.

Darla


Hi Darla,

That is why I think it is important to consider all theories, and like
Bert says, think in all directions.

If you don't, you end up in a cage of theoretical orthodoxy, and wrong
ideas become unchallengeable doctrine. The science community today
doesn't burn heretics at the stake, but it does ostraize them.

Double-A

"Darla" wrote in message ...
"Double-A" wrote in message
m...
[snip]

From your far advanced viewpoint all of our men of medicine and
psychology must look like prancing barbaric witchdoctors to you. I
must admit they often look that way to me too. They like to take
credit for healing you of some little thing that your own body would
have healed itself of anyway, and then when you go to them with
something really serious, often all they can do is tell you how long
they think you have left! Nowadays they are drug pushers too, and the
prices that seniors are being charged for all those drugs that are
being prescribed would make a street pusher blush!



One fact seemingly counter to this argument is that human life-expectancy
has dramatically increased with the advent of serious science and medicine.

You must take the good with the bad, hopefully focusing upon and increasing
the good.
With this may you and your kind grow everlastingly.


Sure, advances in medicine have contributed to life spans. I know
these modern medicine men would like to take all the credit for
prolonging lives, but they don't deserve it.

Modern sanitation practices have made a major factor in our living
longer. We don't drink our water out of sewage-polluted wells
anymore. We have flush toilets instead of fly infested open latrines.
We don't throw our garbage out into the streets to feed the rats
anymore. Washing your hands only once a day is no longer considered
sufficient for cleanliness. We have chemicals to protect us from
infectious insect bites. We have pasteurization of milk and
preservatives in food to prevent botulism. Women today no longer use
midwives with filthy disease carrying rags to deliver their babies.

Besides that, we have become extremely concerned about safety. In the
old days it was quite common to lose workers on an ongoing basis due
to accidents. Nowadays workplaces have been made much safer and fatal
accidents are rare. Compared to our modern obsession with safety, it
seems the people in previous times had almost no concern for it in the
way they designed their buildings, vehicles, etc. Ever heard of a
guardrail in the ancient world?

So while modern medicine has made its contribution, it is by no means
deserving of all the credit for ourlonger lives.

Double-A

Yes, I can see where your responding to an astrobiologist who is not
from your planet on the subject of the human mentality which will
either make or break your ability to eventually escape the bonds of
your imaginary "fields" and to soar the unlimited skies before your
eyes would be off-topic for alt.astronomy.



You crack me up Darla you really do.
I assume you limit your interaction with humanity with the usenet in order
to prepare mankind for some form of future contact. What's wrong with TV or
speaking to governments. Don't tell me, you already do, but for various
reasons, you and the governments involved would rather keep quiet about it.


DaveL

"Dave" wrote in message
...
Yes, I can see where your responding to an astrobiologist who is not
from your planet on the subject of the human mentality which will
either make or break your ability to eventually escape the bonds of
your imaginary "fields" and to soar the unlimited skies before your
eyes would be off-topic for alt.astronomy.



You crack me up Darla you really do.
I assume you limit your interaction with humanity with the usenet in order
to prepare mankind for some form of future contact. What's wrong with TV
or
speaking to governments. Don't tell me, you already do, but for various
reasons, you and the governments involved would rather keep quiet about
it.


DaveL



We are so glad to be entertaining, Dave.
Usenet is the place that we get closest to humans, yes.
We have studied you as a species for a long, long time, so here lately we've
been more interested in you as individuals.
Usenet's a safe place to learn more about you away from crowds and mobs.
Safe because we know that not one of you will truly believe we are who we
say we are.
There is always much doubt no matter how much people stress their belief in
us.

Television is a disbelievable medium also.
We use it to bring ideas slowly to your masses.
You would be surprised at how well this works.
Remember that we are not trying to teach you "our way" of looking at things.
All we do is point to bits of Nature which you have not yet noticed.

We only talk to governments who do their best not to hurt their people.
We haven't spoken with any yet. G
(Unless you consider some governments where the people ARE the government.)
For example, in the UK you are freer than most.
Speaking with you is virtually speaking with an important segment of your
government, no?

As for keeping quiet, there is an optimum situation and time for official
contact.
Our two cultures have not yet reached this "meeting of minds."
If you will be patient, we expect this to happen within the next few years,
for humans are, if nothing else, fast learners.

Darla

"Double-A" wrote in message
om...
"Darla" wrote in message
...

One fact seemingly counter to this argument is that human
life-expectancy
has dramatically increased with the advent of serious science and
medicine.

You must take the good with the bad, hopefully focusing upon and
increasing
the good.
With this may you and your kind grow everlastingly.


Sure, advances in medicine have contributed to life spans. I know
these modern medicine men would like to take all the credit for
prolonging lives, but they don't deserve it.

Please take another look at my first sentence above--note the ending.

Modern sanitation practices have made a major factor in our living
longer. We don't drink our water out of sewage-polluted wells
anymore. We have flush toilets instead of fly infested open latrines.
We don't throw our garbage out into the streets to feed the rats
anymore. Washing your hands only once a day is no longer considered
sufficient for cleanliness. We have chemicals to protect us from
infectious insect bites. We have pasteurization of milk and
preservatives in food to prevent botulism. Women today no longer use
midwives with filthy disease carrying rags to deliver their babies.

Besides that, we have become extremely concerned about safety. In the
old days it was quite common to lose workers on an ongoing basis due
to accidents. Nowadays workplaces have been made much safer and fatal
accidents are rare. Compared to our modern obsession with safety, it
seems the people in previous times had almost no concern for it in the
way they designed their buildings, vehicles, etc. Ever heard of a
guardrail in the ancient world?

So while modern medicine has made its contribution, it is by no means
deserving of all the credit for ourlonger lives.

Double-A

Double-A, you are one of the more intelligent we have spoken with.
Can you see that your emotion is getting the best of you on this subject?
Almost all of the things you mentioned can be covered under "science" in my
phrase, "science and medicine."
Have you any idea how much has been lost as well?
There have been those of you who've died and taken with you some amazing
herbal cures and treatments.

Young people are born and expected to follow in someone's footsteps, but
they go their own way, oblivious to the great losses they and humanity may
incur.

Guardrails?
Of course the ancients had guardrails, but they were different.
Think about the very first observatories built by ancient astronomers.
The main reason these were built was to protect the skywatchers as they
studied the stars at night.
Night was an extremely dangerous part of the day back then.
These ancient observatories had 4-inch to 8-inch rocks built up into
guardrails all the way around the perimeter.
The guardrails were constructed on walls that were high enough to keep lions
from getting inside.
They were narrow enough to allow for leaning over and seeing outside the
compound.
And yet they were made wide enough so as not to crumble under your weight.
However, if poorly maintained these guardrails proved to be dangerous on
occasion.
Yet even modern guardrails can be hazardous if poorly constructed or
maintained.

Modern medicinal research deserves a huge amount of credit for raising the
level of health on your world.
In addition to the direct improvements you now take for granted, medicine
and science have given you and your people a higher consciousness level as
regards public and personal health habits.

Doctors, scientists, research assistants, these are all people just like the
rest of you.
Give them the credit they so richly deserve for making life better all over
your world.
Realize that without them, you would still be living in caves for the better
part of your brief lifetimes.
Give them your support and friendship, for they are people in need just like
all the rest of you.

One important part of holistic psychology is to realize that your love and
support goes just as far to improve your society as hatred and disgust goes
to make things worse.
Society is more advanced than the sum of its individual advancements.

Darla