Orion 80 mm ED Apo via Zeiss Telementor 63/840

Hello Richard,
I agree with you on the importance of real expertise here.. There are only a
few people I really believe when they speak of the optical quality of a
particular telescope. But those people I take very seriously.
I suspect it requires a lot of knowledge and experience to judge some of
these things. I notice for example, that I ( who am not expert enough to post an
evaluation of an optical system) differ from most people who look through SCT's.
I don't like the images, but my opinion is valid only for me. I always say, "very
nice images," and go on my way, back to my simple old Dobs.
Some telescopes are so good that almost anyone can notice it. I have looked
through one of the original Ceravolo 8.5 inch Mak-Newts at Astrofest a number of
years ago, and even I could tell that the images were superb. I have always been
sorry I didn't try to spring for the requisite money to buy one.
But as for crediting most of the posted reports on the optical quality of a
particular scope, I am very cautious.
Markus I am sure has the requisite knowledge and experience. As for bias in
rating a competitor's scopes,, I am not too worried since he went out of his way
to praise TeleVue scopes in this aperture range.
Clear skies,
Bill Meyers

RichardN22 wrote:

LOL! It is a little strange when dealers post reviews of the competition.
This is even more true when their review is very different from what a
number of others have said.

On the other han. lots of the 'number of others' don't have the knowledge and
experience that some of the dealers have. How many times have you seen the
'number of others' post that there is no color with their fast achromat, even
on the moon.

Richard Navarrete

Astrophotography Web Page - http://members.aol.com/richardn22

"Bill Meyers" wrote in message
...
Hello Richard,
I agree with you on the importance of real expertise here.. There are
only a
few people I really believe when they speak of the optical quality of a
particular telescope. But those people I take very seriously.
I suspect it requires a lot of knowledge and experience to judge some
of
these things. I notice for example, that I ( who am not expert enough to
post an
evaluation of an optical system) differ from most people who look through
SCT's.
I don't like the images, but my opinion is valid only for me. I always
say, "very
nice images," and go on my way, back to my simple old Dobs.
Some telescopes are so good that almost anyone can notice it. I have
looked
through one of the original Ceravolo 8.5 inch Mak-Newts at Astrofest a
number of
years ago, and even I could tell that the images were superb. I have
always been
sorry I didn't try to spring for the requisite money to buy one.
But as for crediting most of the posted reports on the optical
quality of a
particular scope, I am very cautious.
Markus I am sure has the requisite knowledge and experience. As for
bias in
rating a competitor's scopes,, I am not too worried since he went out of
his way
to praise TeleVue scopes in this aperture range.
Clear skies,
Bill Meyers



well, praising a competitor for a product that's at least as expensive is
different than criticising an inexpensive product which if successful would
mean a real blow to expensive small apo sales . I'm not implying anything
one way or another, just cautioning here that one simply can't alway
extrapolate some conclusions without risking serious error .

Best Regards,
Matt

"Bill Meyers" wrote in message
...
Hello Richard,
I agree with you on the importance of real expertise here.. There are
only a
few people I really believe when they speak of the optical quality of a
particular telescope. But those people I take very seriously.
I suspect it requires a lot of knowledge and experience to judge some
of
these things. I notice for example, that I ( who am not expert enough to
post an
evaluation of an optical system) differ from most people who look through
SCT's.
I don't like the images, but my opinion is valid only for me. I always
say, "very
nice images," and go on my way, back to my simple old Dobs.
Some telescopes are so good that almost anyone can notice it. I have
looked
through one of the original Ceravolo 8.5 inch Mak-Newts at Astrofest a
number of
years ago, and even I could tell that the images were superb. I have
always been
sorry I didn't try to spring for the requisite money to buy one.
But as for crediting most of the posted reports on the optical
quality of a
particular scope, I am very cautious.
Markus I am sure has the requisite knowledge and experience. As for
bias in
rating a competitor's scopes,, I am not too worried since he went out of
his way
to praise TeleVue scopes in this aperture range.
Clear skies,
Bill Meyers



well, praising a competitor for a product that's at least as expensive is
different than criticising an inexpensive product which if successful would
mean a real blow to expensive small apo sales . I'm not implying anything
one way or another, just cautioning here that one simply can't alway
extrapolate some conclusions without risking serious error .

Best Regards,
Matt

"Bill Meyers" wrote in message
...
Hello Richard,
I agree with you on the importance of real expertise here.. There are
only a
few people I really believe when they speak of the optical quality of a
particular telescope. But those people I take very seriously.
I suspect it requires a lot of knowledge and experience to judge some
of
these things. I notice for example, that I ( who am not expert enough to
post an
evaluation of an optical system) differ from most people who look through
SCT's.
I don't like the images, but my opinion is valid only for me. I always
say, "very
nice images," and go on my way, back to my simple old Dobs.
Some telescopes are so good that almost anyone can notice it. I have
looked
through one of the original Ceravolo 8.5 inch Mak-Newts at Astrofest a
number of
years ago, and even I could tell that the images were superb. I have
always been
sorry I didn't try to spring for the requisite money to buy one.
But as for crediting most of the posted reports on the optical
quality of a
particular scope, I am very cautious.
Markus I am sure has the requisite knowledge and experience. As for
bias in
rating a competitor's scopes,, I am not too worried since he went out of
his way
to praise TeleVue scopes in this aperture range.
Clear skies,
Bill Meyers



well, praising a competitor for a product that's at least as expensive is
different than criticising an inexpensive product which if successful would
mean a real blow to expensive small apo sales . I'm not implying anything
one way or another, just cautioning here that one simply can't alway
extrapolate some conclusions without risking serious error .

Best Regards,
Matt

Hello Richard,
I agree with you on the importance of real expertise here.. There are only a
few people I really believe when they speak of the optical quality of a
particular telescope. But those people I take very seriously.
I suspect it requires a lot of knowledge and experience to judge some of
these things. I notice for example, that I ( who am not expert enough to post an
evaluation of an optical system) differ from most people who look through SCT's.
I don't like the images, but my opinion is valid only for me. I always say, "very
nice images," and go on my way, back to my simple old Dobs.
Some telescopes are so good that almost anyone can notice it. I have looked
through one of the original Ceravolo 8.5 inch Mak-Newts at Astrofest a number of
years ago, and even I could tell that the images were superb. I have always been
sorry I didn't try to spring for the requisite money to buy one.
But as for crediting most of the posted reports on the optical quality of a
particular scope, I am very cautious.
Markus I am sure has the requisite knowledge and experience. As for bias in
rating a competitor's scopes,, I am not too worried since he went out of his way
to praise TeleVue scopes in this aperture range.
Clear skies,
Bill Meyers

RichardN22 wrote:

LOL! It is a little strange when dealers post reviews of the competition.
This is even more true when their review is very different from what a
number of others have said.

On the other han. lots of the 'number of others' don't have the knowledge and
experience that some of the dealers have. How many times have you seen the
'number of others' post that there is no color with their fast achromat, even
on the moon.

Richard Navarrete

Astrophotography Web Page - http://members.aol.com/richardn22

Hello Richard,
I agree with you on the importance of real expertise here.. There are only a
few people I really believe when they speak of the optical quality of a
particular telescope. But those people I take very seriously.
I suspect it requires a lot of knowledge and experience to judge some of
these things. I notice for example, that I ( who am not expert enough to post an
evaluation of an optical system) differ from most people who look through SCT's.
I don't like the images, but my opinion is valid only for me. I always say, "very
nice images," and go on my way, back to my simple old Dobs.
Some telescopes are so good that almost anyone can notice it. I have looked
through one of the original Ceravolo 8.5 inch Mak-Newts at Astrofest a number of
years ago, and even I could tell that the images were superb. I have always been
sorry I didn't try to spring for the requisite money to buy one.
But as for crediting most of the posted reports on the optical quality of a
particular scope, I am very cautious.
Markus I am sure has the requisite knowledge and experience. As for bias in
rating a competitor's scopes,, I am not too worried since he went out of his way
to praise TeleVue scopes in this aperture range.
Clear skies,
Bill Meyers

RichardN22 wrote:

LOL! It is a little strange when dealers post reviews of the competition.
This is even more true when their review is very different from what a
number of others have said.

On the other han. lots of the 'number of others' don't have the knowledge and
experience that some of the dealers have. How many times have you seen the
'number of others' post that there is no color with their fast achromat, even
on the moon.

Richard Navarrete

Astrophotography Web Page - http://members.aol.com/richardn22

LOL! It is a little strange when dealers post reviews of the competition.
This is even more true when their review is very different from what a
number of others have said.

On the other han. lots of the 'number of others' don't have the knowledge and
experience that some of the dealers have. How many times have you seen the
'number of others' post that there is no color with their fast achromat, even
on the moon.

Richard Navarrete

Astrophotography Web Page - http://members.aol.com/richardn22

LOL! It is a little strange when dealers post reviews of the competition.
This is even more true when their review is very different from what a
number of others have said.

On the other han. lots of the 'number of others' don't have the knowledge and
experience that some of the dealers have. How many times have you seen the
'number of others' post that there is no color with their fast achromat, even
on the moon.

Richard Navarrete

Astrophotography Web Page - http://members.aol.com/richardn22

CLT wrote:

"Tom Hole earthlink.net" tomhole@NOSPAM wrote in message
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Markus,

Thanks for the review.

Maybe Orion can return the favor and post a review of some of your

products.

LOL! It is a little strange when dealers post reviews of the competition.
This is even more true when their review is very different from what a
number of others have said.

Competition? Markus sales the ED-80. Who's the competition?

Ref: Pogo.

CLT wrote:

"Tom Hole earthlink.net" tomhole@NOSPAM wrote in message
...

Markus,

Thanks for the review.

Maybe Orion can return the favor and post a review of some of your

products.

LOL! It is a little strange when dealers post reviews of the competition.
This is even more true when their review is very different from what a
number of others have said.

Competition? Markus sales the ED-80. Who's the competition?

Ref: Pogo.