Telescope in Lord Of The Rings: ROTK!

"Enyo" wrote in message


If you read the books you know the movie has little relationship to them,
other than some of the names are the same. The first 30 minutes of the
first movie was good. It then became apparent artistic license took over.
I would have walked out then except I was the driver with
my kids and some of their friends. They truly combined and perverted the
characters, plot and emphasis for the sake of their vision of what makes a
popular movie. I have not an will not see the second and third.


You should really take movies at face value. They aren't intended to
be mirror images of a book. Wouldn't a movie that replicated a book
be more than a little redundant? Could a movie that attempted that
ever really live up to what you have constructed in your imagination?
It's a sure-fire recipe for disaster.

They took the proper route with this trilogy. New Line Cinema had to
bet their entire company on the production of these three movies. The
type of epic you want could never exist because the production budget
would have still been over a quarter of a billion dollars, only nobody
would go see it and the production company would take a collosal bath.

I'm not knocking you being a purist, just trying to put it in a
perspective that you may not have thought of yet. You sound pretty
angry about the whole makeup of the trilogy. Maybe if you saw
these last two movies without any expectation of literal translation,
you would enjoy them on a whole different level - the level that
millions of LOTR fans are currently enjoying the trilogy on!


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If you read the books you know the movie has little relationship to them,
other than some of the names are the same.

One of the stars of these films, is Middle Earth itself. The film makers did a
great job of capturing the essence of it.

The first 30 minutes of the
first movie was good. It then became apparent artistic license took over.

I used to be a purist too. I gave it up.
Nothing equals the books. Far more depth than a film could do. So if you want
to walk in Middle Earth, look to the books.

john

If you read the books you know the movie has little relationship to them,
other than some of the names are the same.

One of the stars of these films, is Middle Earth itself. The film makers did a
great job of capturing the essence of it.

The first 30 minutes of the
first movie was good. It then became apparent artistic license took over.

I used to be a purist too. I gave it up.
Nothing equals the books. Far more depth than a film could do. So if you want
to walk in Middle Earth, look to the books.

john

If you read the books you know the movie has little relationship to them,
other than some of the names are the same. The first 30 minutes of the
first movie was good. It then became apparent artistic license took over.
I would have walked out then except I was the driver with
my kids and some of their friends. They truly combined and perverted the
characters, plot and emphasis for the sake of their vision of what makes a
popular movie. I have not an will not see the second and third.



I saw the first two of this series of movies and I must admit that I don't
get the hype... should I have read the books first?? I know they've been
out
since before I was born, but I have to admit that I was not familiar with
the characters or names until the movies came out. Am I missing something
by
seeing the movies without having read the books first? The movies have
great
special effects, but the whole experience of viewing them left me flat in
just about every other way.

Jackie

"Jackie" wrote in message
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"Stephen Paul" wrote in message
...

I am taking the next two weeks off from work. The first thing on my list
of
things to do when nobody is looking, is to sneak off and see this movie
as
a
weekday matinee.

I saw the first two of this series of movies and I must admit that I don't
get the hype... should I have read the books first?? I know they've been
out
since before I was born, but I have to admit that I was not familiar with
the characters or names until the movies came out. Am I missing something
by
seeing the movies without having read the books first? The movies have
great
special effects, but the whole experience of viewing them left me flat in
just about every other way.

I enjoyed the relationship between Frodo and Sam (and everyone else for that
matter) in the forst movie, and the idea of the quest. To me, movies and
stories are all about what I see, and don't see, of myself in the
characters. I don't care about special effects one way or the other, and the
second movie was a serious disappointment following the first considering it
seemed to focus on war.

I'm distinctly not into war (man against man). I like the personal
challenges in the man against nature, man against self categories,
especially the latter. What is important to me, is how any of the seven sins
destroys the self. In this case its all about possessing (coveting) the
ring. But there must be redemption of the self, or at least an avenue for
redemption at the end, or I don't get what I want out of the story. That is,
inspiration to pursue redemption for myself.

Neo is another great "redemption" character in _The Matrix_. I refuse to see
him exploited in the sequels. I really can't imagine any purpose in
continuing that story.

There are many others that I can't think of off the top of my head, but most
notable of all redemption stories in literature, is of course, Ebenezer
Scrooge.

Stephen Paul

Stephen Paul wrote in message:
snip
I'm distinctly not into war (man against man). I like the personal
challenges in the man against nature, man against self categories,
especially the latter. What is important to me, is how any of the seven
sins
destroys the self. In this case its all about possessing (coveting) the
ring. But there must be redemption of the self, or at least an avenue for
redemption at the end, or I don't get what I want out of the story. That
is,
inspiration to pursue redemption for myself.
snip
There are many others that I can't think of off the top of my head, but
most
notable of all redemption stories in literature, is of course, Ebenezer
Scrooge.

Dear Stephen,

Very well spoken - I am in total agreement.
By the way, the Muppets version with Michael Caine as Ebenezer is one of my
favorites!
Happy holidays to you and yours...and clear skies, too.

Dave Jessie

Stephen Paul wrote in message:
snip
I'm distinctly not into war (man against man). I like the personal
challenges in the man against nature, man against self categories,
especially the latter. What is important to me, is how any of the seven
sins
destroys the self. In this case its all about possessing (coveting) the
ring. But there must be redemption of the self, or at least an avenue for
redemption at the end, or I don't get what I want out of the story. That
is,
inspiration to pursue redemption for myself.
snip
There are many others that I can't think of off the top of my head, but
most
notable of all redemption stories in literature, is of course, Ebenezer
Scrooge.

Dear Stephen,

Very well spoken - I am in total agreement.
By the way, the Muppets version with Michael Caine as Ebenezer is one of my
favorites!
Happy holidays to you and yours...and clear skies, too.

Dave Jessie

"Jackie" wrote in message
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"Stephen Paul" wrote in message
...

I am taking the next two weeks off from work. The first thing on my list
of
things to do when nobody is looking, is to sneak off and see this movie
as
a
weekday matinee.

I saw the first two of this series of movies and I must admit that I don't
get the hype... should I have read the books first?? I know they've been
out
since before I was born, but I have to admit that I was not familiar with
the characters or names until the movies came out. Am I missing something
by
seeing the movies without having read the books first? The movies have
great
special effects, but the whole experience of viewing them left me flat in
just about every other way.

I enjoyed the relationship between Frodo and Sam (and everyone else for that
matter) in the forst movie, and the idea of the quest. To me, movies and
stories are all about what I see, and don't see, of myself in the
characters. I don't care about special effects one way or the other, and the
second movie was a serious disappointment following the first considering it
seemed to focus on war.

I'm distinctly not into war (man against man). I like the personal
challenges in the man against nature, man against self categories,
especially the latter. What is important to me, is how any of the seven sins
destroys the self. In this case its all about possessing (coveting) the
ring. But there must be redemption of the self, or at least an avenue for
redemption at the end, or I don't get what I want out of the story. That is,
inspiration to pursue redemption for myself.

Neo is another great "redemption" character in _The Matrix_. I refuse to see
him exploited in the sequels. I really can't imagine any purpose in
continuing that story.

There are many others that I can't think of off the top of my head, but most
notable of all redemption stories in literature, is of course, Ebenezer
Scrooge.

Stephen Paul

should I have read the books first?? I know they've been out
since before I was born, but I have to admit that I was not familiar with
the characters or names until the movies came out. Am I missing something by
seeing the movies without having read the books first?

No. But you can read them now. Ask for a set of the paperbacks for christmas.
Won't cost you a dime.

The movies have great
special effects, but the whole experience of viewing them left me flat in
just about every other way.

Oh, well, it's a newtonian thing. More time at the ep of a newt will make
things clearer. ; )

john

should I have read the books first?? I know they've been out
since before I was born, but I have to admit that I was not familiar with
the characters or names until the movies came out. Am I missing something by
seeing the movies without having read the books first?

No. But you can read them now. Ask for a set of the paperbacks for christmas.
Won't cost you a dime.

The movies have great
special effects, but the whole experience of viewing them left me flat in
just about every other way.

Oh, well, it's a newtonian thing. More time at the ep of a newt will make
things clearer. ; )

john