Left-wing envirokooks better not oppose this

On Nov 23, 5:26*am, wrote:
On Nov 23, 3:12*am, "Chris.B" wrote:

On Nov 23, 6:58*am, wrote:

I don't a have a "personal distortion filter" (whatever that is) but I
do have a good BS detector.

But ain't it hard to shovel when you are blinkered?

I avoid the stuff. You are the one doing the shoveling. And you are
responsible for much of the production.

(This was a rhetorical question)

No, it wasn't.

Define successful when tens of millions have no medical care and soup
kitchens are the last growth industry...

While the other half "medicate themselves" to suppress the gnawing
emptiness of living the dream.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Planet_Index

Garbage in, garbage out. *Although it is amusing that Denmark is
declining, while US improves. *Even more amusing is that Saudi Arabia
ranks higher than either. * Hmmm.

The US is improving??? Every economic indicator points to a continued
decline due to the irresponsible actions of the Bush and the
republican led congress. Things will only get worse now that the
"There won't be any earmarks, except those for my district" tebaggers
got elected. The "death panel", "if I don't like a law, I will ignore
it", "I'm a sovereign citizen", libertarian morons actually think that
the Koch brothers, Insurance industry and Exxon/Mobil actually gave
them tens of millions of dollars to BUY their seat in Congress just
gave them the money just because they're nice guys and won't demand
something back. Kinda like when ATK gave Orin Hatch all that money,
they would never ask him to influence NASA decisions about SRB's

On Nov 23, 4:06*pm, yourmommycalledandsaidbehave
wrote:
On Nov 23, 5:26*am, wrote:





On Nov 23, 3:12*am, "Chris.B" wrote:

On Nov 23, 6:58*am, wrote:

I don't a have a "personal distortion filter" (whatever that is) but I
do have a good BS detector.

But ain't it hard to shovel when you are blinkered?

I avoid the stuff. You are the one doing the shoveling. And you are
responsible for much of the production.

(This was a rhetorical question)

No, it wasn't.

Define successful when tens of millions have no medical care and soup
kitchens are the last growth industry...

While the other half "medicate themselves" to suppress the gnawing
emptiness of living the dream.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Planet_Index

Garbage in, garbage out. *Although it is amusing that Denmark is
declining, while US improves. *Even more amusing is that Saudi Arabia
ranks higher than either. * Hmmm.

The US is improving???

According to the Happy Planet Index, it is. Take it with a grain of
salt.

Every economic indicator points to a continued
decline due to the irresponsible actions of the Bush and the
republican led congress.

The Democrats have been in control of the Congress since 2007, and
that's when the trouble started.

Things will only get worse now that the
"There won't be any earmarks, except those for my district" tebaggers
got elected. The "death panel", "if I don't like a law, I will ignore
it", "I'm a sovereign citizen", libertarian morons actually think that
the Koch brothers, Insurance industry and Exxon/Mobil actually gave
them tens of millions of dollars to BUY their seat in Congress just
gave them the money just because they're nice guys and won't demand
something back. Kinda like when ATK gave Orin Hatch all that money,
they would never ask him to influence NASA decisions about SRB's

There is hope that things will stabilize now that the House is under
control once again. Then, with a conservative president beginning
2013 and control of the Senate, we can begin to repair to damage
caused by the failed policies of the communists, err, Democrats.

On Nov 23, 7:47*am, Quadibloc wrote:
On Nov 22, 10:09*pm, wrote:

When he uses phrases such as "They may even provide a service," one
might logically conclude that he supports their actions.

Not if one applies the normal rules of idiomatic English to that
phrase.

Its meaning, normally, is:

- their actions are, on the whole, negative
- but the negative consequences of their actions are slight, and may
be disregarded
- a possibility may even exist that those actions yield some slight
side benefit

That is not an argument for joining the misguided and ill-informed
protests, it is merely an argument for not making an effort to bring
them to an end.

I'll grant you that there are responses to that argument.

Any kind of protest anywhere near places where rockets are launched
puts a strain on security resources in the post-9/11 era.

If people harbor misinformed beliefs which lead them to exaggerate the
dangers of nuclear power, the consequences of such mistaken ideas are
not limited to whatever protest activity such people are engaging in
at present. People who live in a fantasy world are dangerous, because
of course they take their fantasies seriously, as what they believe to
be reality, and, therefore, it is not clear what they might do *next*.

Thus, like you, I don't share his optimism. Unlike you, I don't
approve of putting words in his mouth.

He wrote:

"They may even provide a service, by providing some pressure that
ensures these things really are designed to survive a launch failure."

The "may" applies only to the phrase before the comma. The portion
after the comma is presented as a fact without any qualification.
Leaving out the comma would have made the comment somewhat less
objectionable by making it resemble an opinion rather than an
assertion.

As it stands, his statement would be misleading to those unfamiliar
with the facts.

On Nov 24, 4:13*am, wrote:
On Nov 23, 4:06*pm, yourmommycalledandsaidbehave



wrote:
On Nov 23, 5:26*am, wrote:

On Nov 23, 3:12*am, "Chris.B" wrote:

On Nov 23, 6:58*am, wrote:

I don't a have a "personal distortion filter" (whatever that is) but I
do have a good BS detector.

But ain't it hard to shovel when you are blinkered?

I avoid the stuff. You are the one doing the shoveling. And you are
responsible for much of the production.

(This was a rhetorical question)

No, it wasn't.

Define successful when tens of millions have no medical care and soup
kitchens are the last growth industry...

While the other half "medicate themselves" to suppress the gnawing
emptiness of living the dream.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Planet_Index

Garbage in, garbage out. *Although it is amusing that Denmark is
declining, while US improves. *Even more amusing is that Saudi Arabia
ranks higher than either. * Hmmm.

The US is improving???

According to the Happy Planet Index, it is. Take it with a grain of
salt.

Every economic indicator points to a continued
decline due to the irresponsible actions of the Bush and the
republican led congress.

The Democrats have been in control of the Congress since 2007, and
that's when the trouble started.

Things will only get worse now that the
"There won't be any earmarks, except those for my district" tebaggers
got elected. The "death panel", "if I don't like a law, I will ignore
it", "I'm a sovereign citizen", libertarian morons actually think that
the Koch brothers, Insurance industry and Exxon/Mobil actually gave
them tens of millions of dollars to BUY their seat in Congress just
gave them the money just because they're nice guys and won't demand
something back. Kinda like when ATK gave Orin Hatch all that money,
they would never ask him to influence NASA decisions about SRB's

There is hope that things will stabilize now that the House is under
control once again. *Then, with a conservative president beginning
2013 and control of the Senate, we can begin to repair to damage
caused by the failed policies of the communists, err, Democrats.

Noted for your inabilty to deal with facts, which is typical of
teabaggers, libertaians and modern day faux conservatives, your spew
more garbage. The collapse of the housing bubble, which peaked in 2006
(Note a YEAR before the democrats took over Congress; whoops you
missed that fact), caused the values of securities tied to real estate
pricing to plummet thereafter, damaging financial institutions
globally. Now if the repeal of the Glass-Stegall Act hadn't been
repealed by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act.(please not the authors are
VERY CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS) which were passed by a Republican
majority, basically following party lines then only the savings and
loan industry would have failed (Whoops didn't we bail out the savings
and load industry once before, Hmm now I remember that was under a
REPUBLICAN and wasn't the REPULICAN presidential candidate McCain
criticized for having exercised "poor judgment" ).Questions regarding
bank solvency, declines in credit availability, and damaged investor
confidence had an impact on global stock markets, where securities
suffered large losses during late 2008. In other words the democratic
Congress stepped into a pile of bovine excrement created by the "death
panel", "if I don't like a law, I will ignore it", "I'm a sovereign
citizen", teabagger, libertaian and modern day faux conservative
morons.


By the way still claim you are only using between 700kwh and 1700kwh a
month? I guess that mean you shut off ALL ELECTRICITY in you house
except for you refrigerator and even your refrigerator is on less than
half the time.

On Nov 24, 4:19*am, wrote:

He wrote:

"They may even provide a service, by providing some pressure that
ensures these things really are designed to survive a launch failure."

The "may" applies only to the phrase before the comma. *The portion
after the comma is presented as a fact without any qualification.

No; the portion beginning with the word "by" is a subordinate clause
that *describes* the nature of the service that they "may" provide.

If he had written:

"They may even provide a service, and they do provide some pressure
that ensures these things really are designed to survive a launch
failure," _then_ your claim would be valid.

John Savard

On Nov 24, 5:04*pm, Quadibloc wrote:
On Nov 24, 4:19*am, wrote:

He wrote:

"They may even provide a service, by providing some pressure that
ensures these things really are designed to survive a launch failure."

The "may" applies only to the phrase before the comma. *The portion
after the comma is presented as a fact without any qualification.

No; the portion beginning with the word "by" is a subordinate clause
that *describes* the nature of the service that they "may" provide.

If he had written:

"They may even provide a service, and they do provide some pressure
that ensures these things really are designed to survive a launch
failure," _then_ your claim would be valid.

Come to think of it, I may not be entirely correct in dismissing the
significance of the comma so easily.

After all, I could say:

"They may even provide a service, by standing around waving their
hands in the air and making fools of themselves," and I would indeed
be implying that they were, in any event, "waving their hands in the
air and making fools of themselves", whether or not they were also, as
I was saying *may* be the case, providing a service by so doing.

I think that you are still being too picky, and inferring too much
from a slight error in wording, but indeed he should really have
written:

"They may even provide a service, by providing some pressure that
could help to ensure these things really are designed to survive a
launch failure."

However, I still will refuse to rail at him for being a closet
envirokook for such an error. You must recall that USENET posts are
made in a casual fashion, without a great deal of time and effort
being devoted to them in most cases, and thus holding them to the
standards of an opinion piece published in one of the nation's leading
newspapers or great magazines may be unrealistic.

John Savard

On Nov 24, 7:12*pm, Quadibloc wrote:
On Nov 24, 5:04*pm, Quadibloc wrote:





On Nov 24, 4:19*am, wrote:

He wrote:

"They may even provide a service, by providing some pressure that
ensures these things really are designed to survive a launch failure."

The "may" applies only to the phrase before the comma. *The portion
after the comma is presented as a fact without any qualification.

No; the portion beginning with the word "by" is a subordinate clause
that *describes* the nature of the service that they "may" provide.

If he had written:

"They may even provide a service, and they do provide some pressure
that ensures these things really are designed to survive a launch
failure," _then_ your claim would be valid.

Come to think of it, I may not be entirely correct in dismissing the
significance of the comma so easily.

After all, I could say:

"They may even provide a service, by standing around waving their
hands in the air and making fools of themselves," and I would indeed
be implying that they were, in any event, "waving their hands in the
air and making fools of themselves", whether or not they were also, as
I was saying *may* be the case, providing a service by so doing.

You could also re-arrange the sentence:

"By providing some pressure that ensures these things really are
designed to survive a launch failure, they may even provide a
service."

But it should be obvious by now that the premise of his original
sentence was invalid and that the protesters have had no influence on
the design at all.

I think that you are still being too picky, and inferring too much
from a slight error in wording, but indeed he should really have
written:

"They may even provide a service, by providing some pressure that
could help to ensure these things really are designed to survive a
launch failure."

Even that idea that is questionable since the RTGs already have good
design. The "could" doesn't help.

However, I still will refuse to rail at him for being a closet
envirokook for such an error.

His statement looks like typical leftist propaganda and it deserves to
be criticized.

You must recall that USENET posts are
made in a casual fashion, without a great deal of time and effort
being devoted to them in most cases, and thus holding them to the
standards of an opinion piece published in one of the nation's leading
newspapers or great magazines may be unrealistic.

Many of what we read in the lamestream media is just as misleading,
although at least they occasionally check their facts.

On Nov 30, 2:34*am, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:38:36 -0800 (PST), wrote:
But it should be obvious by now that the premise of his original
sentence was invalid and that the protesters have had no influence on
the design at all.

All that is clear to me is that some people (well, one person. anyway)
aren't capable of understanding the simplest of concepts, due to inbuilt
distortion filters.

The simple concept that you don't understand is that several RTGs
survived serious accidents long before the protesters started showing
up. So what was the point of the protest??

Shut up and quit making a fool of yourself.

You should take your own advice.

On Nov 22, 11:58*pm, wrote:
On Nov 23, 12:26*am, Chris L Peterson wrote:

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:56:24 -0800 (PST), wrote:
Now, if that is not what you meant, then tell us what you did mean.
And remember, RTGs had survived accidents long before the protesters
ever appeared on the scene.

What can I say?

So you agree that the protesters had no influence whatsoever on the
design or safety of RTGs?

That's all you have to say.

You're an idiot that likes to argue. About anything. As
usual, you are totally unable to understand what anybody else says- you
pass everything through some sort of personal distortion filter.

I don't a have a "personal distortion filter" (whatever that is) but I
do have a good BS detector.

No it is clearly a distortion filter, you make up "facts" on the fly
to suit whatever you're talking about

On Nov 24, 10:06*am, yourmommycalledandsaidbehave
wrote:
On Nov 24, 4:13*am, wrote:





On Nov 23, 4:06*pm, yourmommycalledandsaidbehave

wrote:
On Nov 23, 5:26*am, wrote:

On Nov 23, 3:12*am, "Chris.B" wrote:

On Nov 23, 6:58*am, wrote:

I don't a have a "personal distortion filter" (whatever that is) but I
do have a good BS detector.

But ain't it hard to shovel when you are blinkered?

I avoid the stuff. You are the one doing the shoveling. And you are
responsible for much of the production.

(This was a rhetorical question)

No, it wasn't.

Define successful when tens of millions have no medical care and soup
kitchens are the last growth industry...

While the other half "medicate themselves" to suppress the gnawing
emptiness of living the dream.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Planet_Index

Garbage in, garbage out. *Although it is amusing that Denmark is
declining, while US improves. *Even more amusing is that Saudi Arabia
ranks higher than either. * Hmmm.

The US is improving???

According to the Happy Planet Index, it is. Take it with a grain of
salt.

Every economic indicator points to a continued
decline due to the irresponsible actions of the Bush and the
republican led congress.

The Democrats have been in control of the Congress since 2007, and
that's when the trouble started.

Things will only get worse now that the
"There won't be any earmarks, except those for my district" tebaggers
got elected. The "death panel", "if I don't like a law, I will ignore
it", "I'm a sovereign citizen", libertarian morons actually think that
the Koch brothers, Insurance industry and Exxon/Mobil actually gave
them tens of millions of dollars to BUY their seat in Congress just
gave them the money just because they're nice guys and won't demand
something back. Kinda like when ATK gave Orin Hatch all that money,
they would never ask him to influence NASA decisions about SRB's

There is hope that things will stabilize now that the House is under
control once again. *Then, with a conservative president beginning
2013 and control of the Senate, we can begin to repair to damage
caused by the failed policies of the communists, err, Democrats.

Noted for your inabilty to deal with facts, which is typical of
teabaggers, libertaians and modern day faux conservatives, your spew
more garbage. The collapse of the housing bubble,

Which might trace its origins to the Community Reinvestment Act
brought to us by Democrats.

which peaked in 2006
(Note a YEAR before the democrats took over Congress;

Look what happened after the DEMOCRATS took over:

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/fullpage?id=9549471

whoops you
missed that fact), caused the values of securities tied to real estate
pricing to plummet thereafter, damaging financial institutions
globally. Now if the repeal of the Glass-Stegall Act hadn't been
repealed by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act.(please not the authors are
VERY CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS) which were passed by a Republican
majority,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gr..._Vote_1999.png

84% of DEMOCRAT Senators and 75% of DEMOCRAT House members voted FOR
the bill. Then it was signed by President Clinton who was a
DEMOCRAT. The DEMOCRATs had enough seats in the House to vote down
the bill, based on the number of Republicans who actually voted for
it.

basically following party lines then only the savings and
loan industry would have failed (Whoops didn't we bail out the savings
and load industry once before, Hmm now I remember that was under a
REPUBLICAN and wasn't the REPULICAN presidential candidate McCain
criticized for having exercised "poor judgment" ).

I am a conservative, not a Republican. You seem to get the two ideas
confused.

Questions regarding
bank solvency, declines in credit availability, and damaged investor
confidence had an impact on global stock markets, where securities
suffered large losses during late 2008. In other words the democratic
Congress stepped into a pile of bovine excrement created by the "death
panel", "if I don't like a law, I will ignore it", "I'm a sovereign
citizen", teabagger, libertaian and modern day faux conservative
morons.

By the way still claim you are only using between 700kwh and 1700kwh a
month?

Much less than 700kwh most months, and never anywhere near 1700.

I guess that mean you shut off ALL ELECTRICITY in you house
except for you refrigerator and even your refrigerator is on less than
half the time.

Consume electricity less than half the time? That's what decent
refrigerators do.

If your refrigerator uses more than 700kwh per month, you need a new
refrigerator.