NASA Expert Quits, joins Space Solar Power Bandwagon

On Mar 26, 12:44�pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller safety advocate wrote:

:
:Space solart power sounds wonderful BUT, what are the hazards of
:microwave or laser energy pointed back at our planet?
:
:gut feeling its hazardous, and nearly no one will welcome one in their
:neighborhood?
:

This explains so much about your usual output. �You need to stop
thinking with your digestive tract. �Might I humbly suggest you try
using something above your neck for that purpose next time?

Hint: �The microwave case has been studied to death. �No hazard.

--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
�truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �-- Thomas Jefferson

I wonder how many people will welcome a antenna anywhere near them?
like in the same state or region?

Locally cell phone towers are welcomed with endless lawsuits, civil
unrest, zoning changes etc etc that make additional towers difficult
to impossible to add.........

On Mar 25, 5:27*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
"Brad Guth" wrote in message

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On Mar 18, 5:49 pm, "Jonathan" wrote:

"Damien Valentine" wrote in message

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Did Dr. Hsu quit, or was he laid off, or was he fired? All your
article says is that he left NASA...it doesn't say why.
His bio says only that "He has most recently left NASA and is taking
on greater challenges as Sr. VP of the Space Energy Group."
Why isn't William Mook in charge of SSP/SEG?

Why? Who is William Mook?

*~ BG

You've got to be kidding. Your search engine sucks worse than GW Bush
and Dick Cheney combined.

Not knowing who William Mook is to SSP is like not knowing who
Einstein was.

~ BG

On Mar 27, 12:16�am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller safety advocate wrote:

:On Mar 26, 12:44?pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: bob haller safety advocate wrote:
:
: :
: :Space solart power sounds wonderful BUT, what are the hazards of
: :microwave or laser energy pointed back at our planet?
: :
: :gut feeling its hazardous, and nearly no one will welcome one in their
: :neighborhood?
: :
:
: This explains so much about your usual output. ?You need to stop
: thinking with your digestive tract. ?Might I humbly suggest you try
: using something above your neck for that purpose next time?
:
: Hint: ?The microwave case has been studied to death. ?No hazard.
:
:
:I wonder how many people will welcome a antenna anywhere near them?
:like in the same state or region?
:

Gee, how many people welcome ANY kind of powerplant anywhere near
them, Bob? �You say this like it means something.

:
:Locally cell phone towers are welcomed with endless lawsuits, civil
:unrest, zoning changes etc etc that make additional towers difficult
:to impossible to add.........
:

Yet everyone wants cell service and electricity. �You need to stop
looking at California and examine less 'crunchy' venues...

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
�territory."
� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � --G. Behn

well here in minutes of my home verizon cellular has a large dead area
for cell phone service, cause? lawsuits over cell towers.

now a cell tower is primarily a neighborhood issue.

now start planning on microwaving a region and watch the lawsuits
begin.

not saying its right, its just whats going to happen.

bob haller safety advocate writes:
now start planning on microwaving a region and watch the lawsuits
begin.

I always get a chuckle out of stories along these lines because
it brings to mind the 'so-called' California energy crisis of a
few years back and the fall-out from the Enron scandal.

Remember when California was suffering through rolling blackouts
and brownouts? Because Californians were unable, unwilling to pay
the exhorbitant out-of-state electrical prices being charged for
imported electric power, thanks to Enron having bought up the
power on the spot-market and re-charging California at premium
prices for on-peak demand power.

California was threating to sue, presumably in federal court,
the out-of-state providers, for price gouging, even though it
wasn't the producers fault, but rather all those middle-man
contracts. Seemed like a slam-dunk no-brainer right? What was
even more amusing, a lot of those providers were large electric
generating plants owned and operated by Native Americans on
reservations throughout he southwest. Why? You think maybe
because reservations have a degree of autonomy from federal and
state tort law might have something to do with it?

I could see, had it come to that, how that would have all played
out in the press. Schwartzenegger's last stand! Well lucky for
California, Enron collapsed, energy spot markets got back to what
they were before and the 'crisis' and it all seems to have played
itself out when market forces weren't being artifically manipulated.

The path of least resistance would suggest something similar would
likely be played out for SSP microwave rectennas. These aren't
going up over Manhattan. More likely over large expanse of unpopulated
desert. Even more likely over reservation land in the southwest where
inane tort and zoning laws don't apply. With high tension power
distribution the norm, it really doesn't matter much where the
rectennas are.

Again, at current lauch costs per kg, it's cheaper to chuck the SSP
in favor of cheaper ground based alternatives. This was worked out
by the IEEE back in the early 80's and if you look back to launch
cost figures then and those of today (corrected for inflation), not
much has changed.

You still need a cost to orbit breakthrough to make SSP competitive
with ground based power generation, highly inflated and suspect
figures touted by SSP proponents for ground-based nuclear to the
contrary.

5GW and up SSP, until cost-to-orbit is one-to-two orders of magnitude
reduced is pie-in-the-sky. No one is going to willingly pay that kind
of price for electricity, unless forced to do so by the government.

Micropowersats, say in the 100kW range, for use by the military and NGOs
in remote areas, where a ground based alternative is not available,
makes far more sense given the current infrastructure (read launch cost).
And those proposing SSP should be focusing their efforts here, on that
which is doable, for far less cost and would serve as a very good pilot
program and demonstrator for what is possible should the ground to
LEO/GEO cost 'breakthrough' finally occur.

Dave

On Mar 27, 1:20�pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller safety advocate wrote:

:On Mar 27, 12:16?am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: bob haller safety advocate wrote:
:
: :On Mar 26, 12:44?pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : bob haller safety advocate wrote:
: :
: : :
: : :Space solart power sounds wonderful BUT, what are the hazards of
: : :microwave or laser energy pointed back at our planet?
: : :
: : :gut feeling its hazardous, and nearly no one will welcome one in their
: : :neighborhood?
: : :
: :
: : This explains so much about your usual output. ?You need to stop
: : thinking with your digestive tract. ?Might I humbly suggest you try
: : using something above your neck for that purpose next time?
: :
: : Hint: ?The microwave case has been studied to death. ?No hazard.
: :
: :
: :I wonder how many people will welcome a antenna anywhere near them?
: :like in the same state or region?
: :
:
: Gee, how many people welcome ANY kind of powerplant anywhere near
: them, Bob? ?You say this like it means something.
:
: :
: :Locally cell phone towers are welcomed with endless lawsuits, civil
: :unrest, zoning changes etc etc that make additional towers difficult
: :to impossible to add.........
: :
:
: Yet everyone wants cell service and electricity. ?You need to stop
: looking at California and examine less 'crunchy' venues...
:
: --
: "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
: ?territory."
: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? --G. Behn
:
:well here in minutes of my home verizon cellular has a large dead area
:for cell phone service, cause? lawsuits over cell towers.
:
:now a cell tower is primarily a neighborhood issue.
:
:now start planning on microwaving a region and watch the lawsuits
:begin.
:

You obviously don't understand how this works. �Nobody is talking
about microwaving someplace where people are.

--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
�truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �-- Thomas Jefferson

people and animals are near everywhere.

and while you talk of new transmission lines to move power from
antenna area to across the nation..........

people are afraid of them too, in PA a new power line that would go
across the state has been in lawsuit zone for last 4 or 5 years.,

Residents all along its path demand it be buried, for not only health
but appearance reasons

bob haller safety advocate writes:
Residents all along its path demand it be buried, for not only health
but appearance reasons

It'd say it's about appearance not health. Out of sight out of mind.

You don't think burying it would really help do you?
At the frequencies of AC power (50/60 Hz) the Earth itself acts like
a giant antenna.

See Fig. 8.3 page 422:

http://tinyurl.com/yepjwfh

Check out that radiation spike at 60Hz and the cool one at 82Hz.
Antennas built for sending signals at these frequencies consist
of large electrodes BURIED deep into the ground. Just think of
what running miles of high voltage wires underground oscillating
at 60Hz can do for you...

Besides you really want the polyphenals used to insulate the wires
leaking into your groundwater?

http://www.electrostatic.com/bookstore/books/shugg.htm

See Principal Thermoplastic Polymers for Electrical/Electronic Uses

Enjoy your view...

Dave

On Mar 28, 2:32�am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller safety advocate wrote:

:On Mar 27, 1:20?pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: bob haller safety advocate wrote:
:
: :On Mar 27, 12:16?am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : bob haller safety advocate wrote:
: :
: : :On Mar 26, 12:44?pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : : bob haller safety advocate wrote:
: : :
: : : :
: : : :Space solart power sounds wonderful BUT, what are the hazards of
: : : :microwave or laser energy pointed back at our planet?
: : : :
: : : :gut feeling its hazardous, and nearly no one will welcome one in their
: : : :neighborhood?
: : : :
: : :
: : : This explains so much about your usual output. ?You need to stop
: : : thinking with your digestive tract. ?Might I humbly suggest you try
: : : using something above your neck for that purpose next time?
: : :
: : : Hint: ?The microwave case has been studied to death. ?No hazard.
: : :
: : :
: : :I wonder how many people will welcome a antenna anywhere near them?
: : :like in the same state or region?
: : :
: :
: : Gee, how many people welcome ANY kind of powerplant anywhere near
: : them, Bob? ?You say this like it means something.
: :
: : :
: : :Locally cell phone towers are welcomed with endless lawsuits, civil
: : :unrest, zoning changes etc etc that make additional towers difficult
: : :to impossible to add.........
: : :
: :
: : Yet everyone wants cell service and electricity. ?You need to stop
: : looking at California and examine less 'crunchy' venues...
: :
: : --
: : "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
: : ?territory."
: : ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? --G. Behn
: :
: :well here in minutes of my home verizon cellular has a large dead area
: :for cell phone service, cause? lawsuits over cell towers.
: :
: :now a cell tower is primarily a neighborhood issue.
: :
: :now start planning on microwaving a region and watch the lawsuits
: :begin.
: :
:
: You obviously don't understand how this works. ?Nobody is talking
: about microwaving someplace where people are.
:
: --
: "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
: ?truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- Thomas Jefferson
:
eople and animals are near everywhere.
:

Oh, bull****. �You build it on private property. �**** a bunch of
animals.

:
:and while you talk of new transmission lines to move power from
:antenna area to across the nation..........
:

Then I guess they like the dark.

:
eople are afraid of them too, in PA a new power line that would go
:across the state has been in lawsuit zone for last 4 or 5 years.,
:
:Residents all along its path demand it be buried, for not only health
:but appearance reasons
:

That's what happens when you live in a Blue state...

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
�only stupid."
� � � � � � � � � � � � � � -- Heinrich Heine

Google high voltage power lines hesalth risks. Theres a definite
indication that such lines are related to childhood leukemia.

Thats ALL it will take to derail a big buildout of power lines

Plus theres that 60 minutes piece on new fuel cells, that could make
big power plants and space solar unnecessary... and a distribuited
grid with no need for any additional large power plants, even google
is testing them at their offices.

one day all power lines will be inside shielded conduit for safety.


heck the feds just passed a law, home painters must get certified to
paint any home built before 1975, with lots of rules on lead
abatement, so lead chips and dust cant get in the environment. law
takes effect in less than a month

On Mar 28, 3:41�pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
" wrote:

:
:Plus theres that 60 minutes piece on new fuel cells, that could make
:big power plants and space solar unnecessary... and a distribuited
:grid with no need for any additional large power plants, even google
:is testing them at their offices.
:

Yeah, all scientists and engineers get their feasibility studies from
60 Minutes. �Again, you've explained a lot about yourself with this
one.

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
�only stupid."
� � � � � � � � � � � � � � -- Heinrich Heine

obviously fred doesnt keep up with technological advances