what's your bet?

On Nov 18, 5:43*pm, yourmommycalled wrote:
On Nov 18, 3:48*am, oriel36 wrote:





On Nov 18, 6:26*am, yourmommycalled wrote:

On Nov 17, 1:09*pm, oriel36 wrote:

On Nov 17, 7:51*pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

On Nov 16, 2:19 pm, Chris L Peterson wrote:

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:09:15 -0800 (PST), "Ken S. Tucker"

wrote:
It's a bit silly to worry about a few mm/s, that's the speed of
a snail, flip a coin.

It's investigating small deviations from theory that lead to new theory.
Personally I think that nothing more is going on here than an
accumulation of prosaic effects, but it's still worth examination.

Well ok, I (we) are developing a gravity sim for highly elliptical
and hyperbolic orbits, and will see if we can tease out the effect.

On Nov 18, 6:16*pm, oriel36 reiterated:

what is magnificent and what have you.

A veritable Carillon de Westminster !

[Pavlov I, Vierne L]

On Nov 18, 9:16*am, oriel36 wrote:

I only deal with technical details...

But Gerald, technical details are your biggest downfall, for you
cannot cope with the simplest of mathematics concepts, such as
Kepler's 3 laws, you screw them up over and over again... and you have
no clue about frames of reference, which leaves you dead in the water
for most "technical" discussions. No,:"actual" technical details
escape you entirely...

The relativity guys know enough to keep their mouths shut and scurry
away when I judge their concepts...

Errr, the reality here is that the relativity guys laugh in the
background and don't even bother to respond to your goofy retorts...
the joke is on you, but you are the last to know it...

... the genuine astronomer is the one who can get to
genuine astronomical principles...

Well, that leaves you completely out of the picture, for you, I'm
sorry to say, are certainly no genuine astronomer, just as you are no
genuine geologist, or genuine meteorologist, or genuine scientist of
any kind, this is so obvious from your responses. With just a little
reading you could get back on the same page as the rest of us, but
what fun would that be?

As always, I think you understand a lot more than you let on here, and
only make your outrageous claims to keep the pot boiling, just the way
you like it...

On Nov 19, 6:45*am, Sam Wormley wrote:
oriel36 wrote:

Christ, Jerald, learn some mathematics! You can't understand
that 360° rotation of the earth defined a sidereal day,

There is the crisis right there,no more or less,an entire race of
people who follow a silly error which uses the rotation of the
constellations around Polaris as the foundation for planetary dynamics
and nothing survives,not astronomy,not terrestrial sciences which rely
on an understanding of planetary dynamics - nothing.

It stopped being about your fundamentalist tendencies a long time ago
for no sane person who picks up a world globe could arrive at any
other geometric.geographic or geological conclusion other than 15
degrees or geographical separation for each hour organised around the
Earth's daily rotational characteristics of equator/poles yet here we
are in the 21st century dominated by an empirical ideology and its
reckless conclusions which argue against this fact for 24 hours of
rotation for reasoning based on 'sidereal time' !.

This is unconscionable ,no one person should have to carry the
responsibility of pointing out that even though the majority of the
wider population are familiar,in some shape or form, with the
sprawling history of timekeeping,planetary rotation and geography
based around planetary rotation at 15 degrees per hour,the same
population are strongly influenced by a dominant group who come to
reckless conclusions founded on a 'sidereal time' imaginative idea
that has no basis in observation or actuality.It is though one person
looked out,saw the world looks flat and then came to the conclusion
that the entire world is flat and this is exactly the same standard
applied to the apparent rotation of the constellations around Polaris
-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTTDWhky9HY

The failure to treat this intellectual tragedy as a crisis is truly
one of the most painful experiences I know of,for there is no point to
science when people can knowingly live with something as abysmal as
the destruction of astronomy by distorting timekeeping systems which
once stood and still stand as amazing human achievements.I am at a
complete loss as to what people expect from ignoring a very real
situation where a small group like yourselves who are simply too
indoctrinated to change are dictating conclusions for the entire
planet such as the recent reckless conclusion which turns carbon
dioxide into a global temperature dial.









you
can't apply Kepler's laws correctly and you don't even have
a working knowledge of algebra. Who are you to criticize the
astronomical community, amateur astronomers, and people with
some education.

You need to do some self education!





I only deal with technical details and if you want 'time travel' and
'warped space' then good for you,it exposes that you can't even
understand the basic planetary facts that the Earth is round,rotating
and takes 24 hours to turn once ,facts which can be ascertained by
spinning a world globe through 360 degrees -

And you need to stop responding to the asshole...asshole !


"Sam Wormley" wrote in message
news:iY4Nm.140693$la3.135257@attbi_s22...
oriel36 wrote:

Christ, Jerald, learn some mathematics! You can't understand
that 360° rotation of the earth defined a sidereal day, you
can't apply Kepler's laws correctly and you don't even have
a working knowledge of algebra. Who are you to criticize the
astronomical community, amateur astronomers, and people with
some education.

You need to do some self education!


I only deal with technical details and if you want 'time travel' and
'warped space' then good for you,it exposes that you can't even
understand the basic planetary facts that the Earth is round,rotating
and takes 24 hours to turn once ,facts which can be ascertained by
spinning a world globe through 360 degrees -

On Nov 18, 9:16 am, oriel36 wrote:
....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...orld_globe.jpg

Wow, that's looks like an actual photo from outer space, or
perhaps an advanced instrument touched-up to look like it is.

The relativity guys know enough to keep their mouths shut and scurry
away when I judge their concepts,

Well that link sure has me in a tizzle, shut-off the Sun, E=mc2
is wrong.
Ken

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:38:10 GMT, Hannible Reisling wrote:

And you need to stop responding to the....
snipped the unhelpful potty talk

It's been many a year since I last used MS Outhouse Express for usenet
groups; but is it so broken that it forces you to download these message
bodies, and then read them (given your extreme distaste for their
content)?

If O.E. cannot provide the filtering you need, please consider looking
at Dialog 40-tude. No longer in active development - it still has
filtering/scoring/scripting abilities that, for text groups, keep it on
par with the newest news clients. Here's a link.

http://dialog.datalist.org/index.html



--
Email address is a Spam trap.

On Nov 19, 6:41*pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Nov 18, 9:16 am, oriel36 wrote:
...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...orld_globe.jpg

Wow, that's looks like an actual photo from outer space, or
perhaps an advanced instrument touched-up to look like it is.


Obviously the world globe and the information it contains is far too
advanced for you as it displays the correlation between 15 degrees of
geographical separation corresponding to 1 hour and all organised
around the daily rotation of the Earth (equator/poles) noting that 15
degrees* 24 = 360 degrees/24 hours.

Relativity freaks ,following Newton,never understood the difference
between the natural noon cycle and the 24 hour cycle as it tallies
with planetary dynamics for the transfer of the average 24 hour day to
daily rotation as a constant is simply a quirk of the average daily
rotations taken over an annual orbit.Isaac knew enough to be dangerous
hence absolute/relative time but effectively whatever fiction
relativists built up around 'time' it is simply tinkering worthlessly
with timekeeping averages -

"Absolute time, in astronomy, is distinguished from relative, by the
equation or correlation of the vulgar time. For the natural days are
truly unequal, though they are commonly considered as equal and used
for a measure of time;" Newton


The relativity guys know enough to keep their mouths shut and scurry
away when I judge their concepts,

Well that link sure has me in a tizzle, shut-off the Sun, E=mc2
is wrong.
Ken

Too stupid to be of any use,the best that can be said of relativists
is that they did expose something of the maneuvering of Newton/
Flamsteed which relies on people giving themselves choices they do not
have.A relativist can have a wandering 'analemma' Sun ,a 24 hour
natural noon or the constellations rotating around Polaris or any
unlimited amount of choices for daily rotation and that is why it is
not a question of being wrong but of people entirely out of control
with choices and conclusions based on cause and effect.

People should be upset,not because you are dumb but that human
intelligence is being put into disrepute over a stupid 'sidereal time'
error that makes no sense in terms of planetary dynamics.So,in case
you have any doubt as to the intellectual level you belong then spin a
globe through 15 degrees and at the Equator the value will amount to
1669.8 km corresponding to 1 hour -

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...orld_globe.jpg

e=mc2 all you like,geometry,geography and geology rule !

On Nov 19, 4:41*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:

* *To say that the earth turns 15°/hr may be "technically" true to a
* *"moving reference" but any accurate gyro will confirm that the earth
* *rotates exactly 360° in 86,164.09+ seconds and the rotation rate is
* *verified by direct observation by a star returning to a meridian.

Way beyond his capabilities. He doesn't understand frames of reference
and he doesn't understand simple math. In all probability he couldn't
measure the return of a star in 23:56:04 either...

On Nov 19, 4:10 pm, oriel36 wrote:
On Nov 19, 6:41 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

On Nov 18, 9:16 am, oriel36 wrote:
...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...orld_globe.jpg

Wow, that's looks like an actual photo from outer space, or
perhaps an advanced instrument touched-up to look like it is.

Obviously the world globe and the information it contains is far too
advanced for you as it displays the correlation between 15 degrees of
geographical separation corresponding to 1 hour and all organised
around the daily rotation of the Earth (equator/poles) noting that 15
degrees* 24 = 360 degrees/24 hours.

I'm a noobee, are you using Standard Time or Daylight Saving Time?
Ken