Big bang and black hole.

"Jeff?Relf" wrote in message...
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On Oct 21, 8:34 am, "Painius" wrote:
"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote...
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Painius A singularity is something It is not nothing. It is as far
as
are thinking can go into the mystery of creation of universes.

Then we have to try harder, Bert, we have to think
more deeply.

If not we
have to say every thing came out of nothing,or was created by Gods
TreBert

To me, to say that the Universe arose from the all-
of-a-sudden expansion of a singularity is the exact
same thing as, ". . . and God said, 'Let there be
LIGHT!'"

The only difference between cosmology and religion
is that they call the creator by different names...

For example, the Bible:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth.

"And the earth was without form, and void; and
darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the
Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

"And God said, "Let there be light": and there was
light."
Book of Genesis, ch. 1, vs. 1-3

The Big Bang cosmology version indicates a similar
story:

In the beginning there was "nothing", no time, no
space. There was only a "continuum", an undefined
"nothingness".

The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP) allows
for some kind of disturbance in the continuum. This
mystery disturbance results in the Big Bang, an
immediate and violent expansion of a singularity.

The cosmology story is virtually the same as the
Bible one. The only difference is that cosmologists
call God, "the HUP"!

Thank you Paine for unifying cosmology and the Bible.

Double-A

Double A There is a big difference between the bible and BB Bible is
the final truth,and BB is a theory that is still willing to search for
the truth. Bible preachers gave up thinking and as they quote the
bible they are brain washed out parrots. TreBert

Painius fails to understand two things:
1. It's 45 giga light years to the horizon ― Big ****in' Deal ― not !
2. What's beyond the horizon is metaphysics, not science.

There's absolutely nothing special about what happened
13.7 gig years ago, at place that's currently 45 giga light years way.
I see absolutely no relationship between that and a creation myth.

The relationship began "in the beginning", when, in a
fit of inspiration, a Belgian physicist, Georges Lemaître,
in 1927 independently derived the same equations as
Alexander Friedmann had found in 1922. In 1912 Vesto
Slipher had measured the first Doppler shift of a "spiral
nebula" (spiral nebula is the obsolete term for spiral
galaxies), and soon discovered that almost all such
nebulae were receding from Earth.

Lemaître used his (Friedmann's) equations to predict
that the recession of the nebulae was due to the
expansion of the universe. In 1931 he went further
and suggested that the evident expansion in forward
time required that the universe contracted backwards
in time, and would continue to do so until it could
contract no further, bringing all the mass of the
universe into a single point, a "primeval atom", at a
point in time before which time and space did not
exist. As such, at this point, the fabric of time and
space had not yet come into existence.

So the presently accepted cosmological theory of the
origin of the Universe was born. Ironically, it was
Fred Hoyle, a "steady-state Universe" believer, who
coined the phrase that came to be applied to
Lemaître's theory, referring to it derisively as "this
big bang idea" during a BBC Radio broadcast in
March, 1949. And so the "Big Bang" theory of the
origin of the Universe was born.

This all sounds very "scientific", doesn't it? I may
have forgotten to mention an extremely interesting,
even fascinating, fact...

In addition to being a physicist, Georges Lemaître,
the man who originated the "Big Bang" theory of the
origin of the Universe, was also a Roman Catholic
priest.

It's a small world after all. It's a small, small world.

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth

P.S.: "You never find yourself until you face the
truth."
Pearl Bailey

P.P.S.: http://yummycake.secretsgolden.com
http://garden-of-ebooks.blogspot.com
http://painellsworth.net

On Oct 21, 6:15 pm, "Painius" wrote:
"Jeff?Relf" wrote in message...

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On Oct 21, 8:34 am, "Painius" wrote:
"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote...
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Painius A singularity is something It is not nothing. It is as far
as
are thinking can go into the mystery of creation of universes.

Then we have to try harder, Bert, we have to think
more deeply.

If not we
have to say every thing came out of nothing,or was created by Gods
TreBert

To me, to say that the Universe arose from the all-
of-a-sudden expansion of a singularity is the exact
same thing as, ". . . and God said, 'Let there be
LIGHT!'"

The only difference between cosmology and religion
is that they call the creator by different names...

For example, the Bible:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth.

"And the earth was without form, and void; and
darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the
Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

"And God said, "Let there be light": and there was
light."
Book of Genesis, ch. 1, vs. 1-3

The Big Bang cosmology version indicates a similar
story:

In the beginning there was "nothing", no time, no
space. There was only a "continuum", an undefined
"nothingness".

The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP) allows
for some kind of disturbance in the continuum. This
mystery disturbance results in the Big Bang, an
immediate and violent expansion of a singularity.

The cosmology story is virtually the same as the
Bible one. The only difference is that cosmologists
call God, "the HUP"!

Thank you Paine for unifying cosmology and the Bible.

Double-A

Double A There is a big difference between the bible and BB Bible is
the final truth,and BB is a theory that is still willing to search for
the truth. Bible preachers gave up thinking and as they quote the
bible they are brain washed out parrots. TreBert

Painius fails to understand two things:
1. It's 45 giga light years to the horizon ― Big ****in' Deal ― not !
2. What's beyond the horizon is metaphysics, not science.

There's absolutely nothing special about what happened
13.7 gig years ago, at place that's currently 45 giga light years way.
I see absolutely no relationship between that and a creation myth.

The relationship began "in the beginning", when, in a
fit of inspiration, a Belgian physicist, Georges Lemaître,
in 1927 independently derived the same equations as
Alexander Friedmann had found in 1922. In 1912 Vesto
Slipher had measured the first Doppler shift of a "spiral
nebula" (spiral nebula is the obsolete term for spiral
galaxies), and soon discovered that almost all such
nebulae were receding from Earth.

Lemaître used his (Friedmann's) equations to predict
that the recession of the nebulae was due to the
expansion of the universe. In 1931 he went further
and suggested that the evident expansion in forward
time required that the universe contracted backwards
in time, and would continue to do so until it could
contract no further, bringing all the mass of the
universe into a single point, a "primeval atom", at a
point in time before which time and space did not
exist. As such, at this point, the fabric of time and
space had not yet come into existence.

So the presently accepted cosmological theory of the
origin of the Universe was born. Ironically, it was
Fred Hoyle, a "steady-state Universe" believer, who
coined the phrase that came to be applied to
Lemaître's theory, referring to it derisively as "this
big bang idea" during a BBC Radio broadcast in
March, 1949. And so the "Big Bang" theory of the
origin of the Universe was born.

This all sounds very "scientific", doesn't it? I may
have forgotten to mention an extremely interesting,
even fascinating, fact...

In addition to being a physicist, Georges Lemaître,
the man who originated the "Big Bang" theory of the
origin of the Universe, was also a Roman Catholic
priest.

It's a small world after all. It's a small, small world.

According to the warm and fuzzy world of astronomy and physics,
there’s never any negative outcomes, not even if from the same
mistakes made for the hundredth time, plus otherwise the most
subjective science becomes fully objective whenever argued on behalf
of mainstream physics.

Of course politically correct physics and off-world physics are each
conditional, depending on who is paying for what or most in need of
having their butt covered.

Therefore never a lie or so much as a gutter-ball, but instead total
misunderstanding and even less appreciation by the rest of us village
idiots for their having so nicely spent our hard earn public loot, and
otherwise having consumed any number of years or decades without
putting a gram of real food on any table of the lower 99.9% worth of
humanity.

How much actual good has Painius given back to humanity or that of our
environment?

~ BG

On Oct 21, 1:08*pm, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
Double A There is a big difference between the bible and BB *Bible is
the final truth,and BB is a theory that is still willing to search for
the truth. * * * Bible preachers gave up thinking and as they quote the
bible they are brain washed out parrots. *TreBert


Some science posters don't seem much better.

Double-A

Actually, BradBoi, first you should show us what a humanitarian you
truly are! lmfjao!

Instead of just filling this newsgroup with your TOTAL ****!

Paine does a lot more for this group than you do.

Saul Levy


On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:12:05 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
wrote:

How much actual good has Painius given back to humanity or that of our
environment?

~ BG

"Saul Levy" wrote in message...
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:12:05 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
wrote:

How much actual good has Painius given back to humanity or that of our
environment?

. . .
Paine does a lot more for this group than you do.

Saul Levy

You sweet-talkin' son of a gun, you. g

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth

P.S.: "It does not matter how slowly you go so
long as you do not stop."
Confucius

P.P.S.: http://yummycake.secretsgolden.com
http://garden-of-ebooks.blogspot.com
http://painellsworth.net

Where's NightBat Painius ? Saul Levy needs more people to insult.

Sorry to disagree, Jeff, but frootie made himself a WACKO NUTJOB, not
me.

His stupid theories deserve ridicule! He's hiding out in his batcave.

Isn't your message getting a bit long for you?

Saul Levy


On 24 Oct 2008 10:51:58 GMT, Jeff?Relf
wrote:

Where's NightBat Painius ? Saul Levy needs more people to insult.

"Jeff?Relf" wrote...
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Where's NightBat Painius ? . . .

I wish i knew, Jeff. He hasn't posted since July, and
he's been posting at a lower rate since last August.
I just hope he's okay.

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth

P.S.: "It does not matter how slowly you go so
long as you do not stop."
Confucius

P.P.S.: http://yummycake.secretsgolden.com
http://garden-of-ebooks.blogspot.com
http://painellsworth.net

Painius I am very worried about nightbat I wish Darla would tell him
to post. When Darla talks people listen TreBert