The Lost Cosmonauts book

John Beaderstadt wrote:

Can you come up with a single reason why I should believe the JC Bros
wouldn't take such a risk? After all, compared with Pons and
Fleischman, their own claim is pretty obscure and unfalsifiable; the
absolute worst that would happen is that the book won't sell.


Oh, it will sell...you _know_ it will sell. If nothing else, this little
escapade is giving me the opportunity to polish up my Googling skills,
inspiring every bit as much humor for me as my former (and unfortunately
failed, and now killfiled) muse- Brad Guth, and giving me the challenge
of trying to back-track the viruses that are trying to get through to my
mailbox as of this morning...sent, oddly enough, from somewhere in Italy.

Pat

Giovanni Abrate wrote:

Just the reputation of a respected patrician family.
In Italy, it still carries some weight.

Oh-oh...I forgot that fact...that explains the black limo parked across
the street from me... I have incurred the wrath of their family...a
family led by one...._Don Vito Judica-Cordiglia_! =-O

Pat
(Soon to be drawn forth, concrete galoshes and all, by an ice fisherman.)

No viruses from me, I can assure you. I quite enjoy your posts, actually.
I am sure you will read the book, if it is ever published in English.
Take care,
Giovanni

"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
...
and giving me the challenge
of trying to back-track the viruses that are trying to get through to my
mailbox as of this morning...sent, oddly enough, from somewhere in Italy.

Pat

That would have been a worthwhile effort!
Ciao,
G
"OM" om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote
in message ...Yeah, but wasn't the reason for the reception being that
they were
mistaken for a couple of Italian pastry chefs who were supposed to
give cullinary tips to the space food team?

I was reading in the bathroom when I ran across an item written by
"Giovanni Abrate" on Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:07:47
-0500, which said:

Just the reputation of a respected patrician family.
In Italy, it still carries some weight.

Sorry, Gio, that's not enough. In a 50-50 situation, an individual's
reputation would be enough to add an extra 1% to one side or the
other, thus allowing a decision based upon the preponderance of the
evidence, but that's all it will do. The reputation of a group,
however, lends no weight at all to the credibility of an individual;
ego and greed are far more powerful than is loyalty.

Anyway, as I, Jim, Pat and others have been trying to tell you (for
years, now), this case doesn't come close to being a 50-50
proposition. Like the moon-hoaxists, you'd have us believe that all
official documents have been destroyed or hidden and that, in the
subsequent half-century, no one -- no one -- has either decided to
tell the truth because of morality or for profit, or has made a slip
while drinking in a bar. A book-length expose by someone actually in
the know would be a blockbuster, I would think.

Instead, all that same intervening half-century has given us are the
same old tired rumors and unverifiable claims by the same old
claimants (whose association with the paranormal, as Pat has pointed
out, is far too extensive for comfort). Even without
counter-arguements, I give the JCs about 20% credibility, at most.
This is more than halved when you do factor in the counter-arguments.

To repeat, it can't be proven that there were no lost cosmonauts, but
there is no serious reason to believe otherwise.


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John Beaderstadt wrote:


To repeat, it can't be proven that there were no lost cosmonauts, but
there is no serious reason to believe otherwise.


If there was one thing I found a little fishy about all those rumors, it
was Vladimir Ilyushin's presence down at the Chinese health resort with
his injured leg from the car accident.
Things were starting to sour between the USSR and China at the time; and
China was a fairly odd place to send one of your top pilots for rest and
recuperation... wasn't the brilliant medicine of the Soviet Union good
enough? What's wrong with Odessa as a R&R destination?
My pet conspiracy theory was that old Vlad was flying a recon flight
over China when something went wrong with the jet, and he got to descend
via parachute into the waiting arms of Chairman Mao; Francis Gary Powers
style.
But again, it's just a wild-ass speculation... maybe the Chinese used
acupuncture on his leg or something.
They _did_ have a jet capable of overflying China at high altitude
though; the Yak 25 RV "Mandrake" first flew in 1959:
http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/yak-25rv.html It was very similar in
concept to our canceled Bell X-16 "Bald Eagle" aircraft:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/prototypes.c...images/x16.JPG ; and with
a ceiling of over 20,000 meters, the "Mandrake" should have been safely
above anything the Chinese could throw at it.

Pat

To repeat, it can't be proven that there were no lost cosmonauts, BRBR


Yes, it can. We know what was on every booster and when it launched. There
were no unaccounted-for missions.


Matt Bille
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I was reading in the bathroom when I ran across an item written by
(MattWriter) on 15 Jan 2004 14:27:54 GMT, which
said:

To repeat, it can't be proven that there were no lost cosmonauts, BRBR


Yes, it can. We know what was on every booster and when it launched. There
were no unaccounted-for missions.

Matt, it really doesn't matter. The essential point is that it can't
be proven that there *were* any lost cosmonauts. There is no
verifiable evidence that they ever existed or that the missions were
flown, so we are safe in completely ignoring the question. By
attempting to prove a negative, all you are doing is causing trouble
for yourself and providing attention for someone who otherwise
wouldn't get any.


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Dear Giovanni,

That is interesting. the more meat to this matter, the better. I am not so
very interested in the lost cosmonauts side of the story any longer, but the
other side: Tracking and receiving Luna-4, what kind of equipment the J-C
brothers used, what existing and confirmed spacecraft they tracked? that
kind of stuff!

Best wishes

Sven Grahn

Sven,
I emailed you backchannel.
About the receiving equipment, I can give you some information:
Initially, the JC brothers used a Knight and an HRO receiver, that they
modified.
I think they bought the HRO as military surplus, priced by weight!
Later they were contacted by the CEO of Geloso, in Milan. After a meeting
that is described in detail in their book, the head of Geloso offered them
free equipment and even agreed to modify a G220 receiver for them, free of
charge.
The Italian company Phonola gave them some TV receivers, modified to display
non-standard TV formats.
Lots of pictures in the book.
Take care,
Giovanni

"Sven Grahn" wrote in message
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Dear Giovanni,

Best wishes

Sven Grahn