Mars Spirit Duracrust Soil Anomalies

"William Elliot" a écrit dans le message news: ...
Will you answer my question?
What's the scale of the photo and
what are we seeing, a dune, a trench, the shaded side of a dune or what?

http://tourlaville.nerim.net/Driftcrustrevealed.jpg
7 images in one to clearly explain the scale of the Photo.

And know please, we should try use our knowledge *AND* imagination to understand that formation (very common to mars) !
I wish a big good luck to those who wants to find a none biosomething explaination to that )

Let's be humble and optimistic, ERic

"Thomas Lee Elifritz" skrev i en meddelelse
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March 21, 2004

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apparently, glacially deposited fluvials.

Document this postulation.

However,
the soil grain threading and micro patterning is still clearly visible in
some of the
soils

What soil?

here too, and surely, many of the photomicrographs show ordering and
structure
reminiscent of 'prairie soils'.

Document this postulation.

Now, given the context of water, ice and soils on another planet, as these
apparent
pseudo fossils are encountered, they cannot simply be dismissed as
inorganic abiotic
structures,

If you do not use chromatography and find organic matter, or find obvious
clues for fossilized remains, you del with a mineral anorganic surface.

even though this may be entirely possible, they individually have to be
described and demonstrated *not* to be of biogenic origin,

Take a start at the Earth' spherulitic concretions. Noone found clues to a
biogen origin here. Since Earth is a biogen place there may be distant
relations to the genesis. This is not obvious on Mars, but may be
speculated.

I propose that
they will become increasingly more difficult to explain away by abiotic
inorganic
processes, and it will become increasingly apparent that Mars was in the
distant past a
suitable habitat for highly evolved (what here on Earth we refer to as
extremophile)
microscopic life.

I don't think that you needed 50 posts to make that clear

With another planet, with a roughly 24 hour rotation period, abundant
water ice, soil
and solar irradiance, life seems fairly prosaic, making the life debunkers
here seem
particularly odd and out of place,

We oppose your lack of civil communication skills - obvious through numerous
posts.

especially on a science newsgroup. Almost all usenet
science newsgroups have these types, though, they are easy to spot.

You are not, but as I said, your homepage too 'looks like' the real thing.
In a newsgroup for geology 'Physics of condensed matter', skills in
superconductors, PC and extraterrestrial intelligence does not in itself
warrant qualifications for geology nor grant any right for insolence.

March 21, 2004

William Elliot wrote:

Will you answer my question?

No I won't. Answer you own damn questions, these are science newsgroups.

What's the scale of the photo and
what are we seeing, a dune, a trench, the shaded side of a dune or what?

The microscopic imager has a published resolution, do some research. To find
the context, look at the navcam photos. To find the sun angle resolve the
image encoding, that is published, there are even programs available to do
it automatically for you. You can easily see the sun angle with the shadows.

Do interpet, don't elaborate, don't give additional information,
don't give general discussions, don't give further details.

Iin other words, don't use scientific methods..

Just answer my question, plain and simple in 15.348549 lines or less.

**** you. I that the answer you were looking for?

In otherwords don't be a preacher with 50 billion digits of accuracy,
be a scientist with a usefully accurate answer.

Be a man, help yourself.

Thomas Lee Elifritz
http;//elifritz.members.atlantic.net

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004, Eric Pouhier wrote:

"William Elliot" a écrit dans le message news: ...
Will you answer my question?
What's the scale of the photo and
what are we seeing, a dune, a trench, the shaded side of a dune or what?

http://tourlaville.nerim.net/Driftcrustrevealed.jpg
7 images in one to clearly explain the scale of the Photo.

Quite a presentation clarifying to naught the questions about OP's
picture. There's nothing there that bears out his wild claims.

And know please, we should try use our knowledge *AND* imagination to understand that formation (very common to mars) !
I wish a big good luck to those who wants to find a none biosomething explanation to that )

Let's be humble and optimistic, ERic

I'm willing to wait for the results of the other instruments before making
any tentative conclusions. Seems they've concluded some history of past
water. Have you see ESA report about discovery of water ice at south
pole?

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:07:20 GMT, Thomas Lee Elifritz
wrote:

With another planet, with a roughly 24 hour rotation period, abundant water ice, soil
and solar irradiance, life seems fairly prosaic, making the life debunkers here seem
particularly odd and out of place, especially on a science newsgroup. Almost all usenet
science newsgroups have these types, though, they are easy to spot.
I thought about that a bit last night, and perhaps we should really
treat the disabled nicely.
For a braindead person recognizing life would likely be impossible.
The same for people who are so conditioned that that they only say
- what they think - their government or bosses want to hear.
And that may not be REALLY what they want:-)
Hopeless situation.

As for the argument that it is some sort of shadow, yes there is one
on the left too, not sure.
I did enlarge to pixels, but that is tricky, as you lose overview.
The fact it sticks out ABOVE the piece of soil behind it, is what
makes it IMO a real ?little plant? :-)
JP

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004, Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
William Elliot wrote:
Will you answer my question?
No I won't. Answer you own damn questions, these are science newsgroups.

Ok, I'll accept you make incomplete presentations.

Iin other words, don't use scientific methods..

Certainly not you, otherwise you'd wait to include the result of the other
instruments in your euphemistic presentations.

**** you. I that the answer you were looking for?

Sorry Tom, not interested, I'm hetrosexual.

Be a man, help yourself.

I've already got your goat, anything else I should revive you of?
Your obsessions?

March 21, 2004

William Elliot wrote:

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004, Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:


William Elliot wrote:


Will you answer my question?


No I won't. Answer you own damn questions, these are science newsgroups.


Ok, I'll accept you make incomplete presentations.

This is an incomplete mission, moron, you would know that if you
bothered to even look at the images, the spectroscopy, or were following
the mission at all. You just jump and and say "answer my questions"
because you are too stupid and uninformed to do your own research or
form your own conclusions.

In other words, don't use scientific methods..


Certainly not you, otherwise you'd wait to include the result of the other
instruments in your euphemistic presentations.

A month ago, the same people ridiculing those advocating 'Life on Mars',
were the same people ridiculing those advocating 'Water on Mars', and
next month, will be the same people ridiculing those advocating 'Go to
Mars', because there might be 'Life on Mars'. People like you never
change, but science continues to progress, and life continues to evolve,
in spite of your idiotic belief system.

Be a man, help yourself.


I've already got your goat, anything else I should revive you of?

You have nothing to offer, so I'll add your name to my filter file. But
first a little research is in order :

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%2...sa=N&scoring=d

That explains a lot. Been to a few too many Kleene Symposia, have you?

Proof is mathematical, science is demonstrative.

Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net

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To reply remove spleen

Why am I never able to see these things? Maybe its like those "magic
eye" images where no matter how much I squint I cant see the monkey in
the rowboat or something else supposedly sane ppl assure me is there
in the noise.

All you have to do to see those pictures is focus your eyes on a point
behind the picture. Unlike the fossil hunt, it doesn't require any
imagination.

These guys who see fossils in every rock are probably like the people who
will swear up & down that they see the "monkey in a rowboat" even though
they really don't. Heck, they probably even believe they do, at least until
they *really* see the image.

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004, Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:

Be a man, help yourself.
I've already got your goat, anything else I should revive you of?

You have nothing to offer, so I'll add your name to my filter file.

No problem. Instead of returning your goat, I'll give it to homeless
people for a barbecue.

first a little research is in order :
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%2...sa=N&scoring=d

Thanks, I would have missed that reply from sci.space.news.

George ) wrote:

: "El Guapo" wrote in message
: news:tpM6c.44681$SR1.53348@attbi_s04...
: "Thomas Lee Elifritz" wrote in message
: om...
: March 19, 2004
:
: Besides all the obvious anomalies in these latest series of soil
: photomicrographs, the apparent stickyness, the numerous threaded
: grains, soil fibers, unusual soil micro patterning and micro
: texturing, that we have now come to expect and love, and even besides
: the unusual rounded pebbles and micro spherules, there is this small
: 'stalk' sticking up above the duracrust :
:
:
:
: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...0P2977M2M1.JPG
:
: Do you see it? I am sure there is a 'prosaic' explanation for all of
: this.
:
: Where is this "stalk?" I'm not seeing it.
:


: It's actually sticking out of his head!


I laughed so hard I cried!

Eric