Space Empires

"t_mark" a écrit dans le message de
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Happily for the rest of us, the american empire has no money
to finance anything even remotely like a space empire.

They have vastly more money for doing so than anyone else, so I presume
you're ruling out anyone else even so much as fantasizing of such?


Putting someone in mars (or even in the moon) is beyond the
reach of the american empire.

As a matter of fact, the 3 spaceships left will fly occasionally
but not until well beyond 2005, or even later. The mission to
service the space scope is already scrapped, and many
others will follow.

A sign of the times: The astronauts training center in Florida
has been closed. No need for training centers since all that
is the past.

Yes, some missions wil be still carried out. No problem.

But... a space empire with 3 spaceships more than 20 years old?

It would be funny if it weren't so sad actually.

The space program is the only reason this empire will
survive in the history records of mankind.

It was the only positive proof of the american
engineering, of the inventivity and creativity of a whole
people.

We came in peace for all mankind, they said in the moon.

As you know, Mr Rumsfeld doesn't exactly think that peace
is a high priority now. That epoch is gone.

Of course, I am French and as a member of the evil empire
I have evil thoughts :-)


Empty words do not cost anything. Bush hasl not increased
NASA budget, and the next president will have to pay
back the huge deficits left by Bush.

You seem to have forgotten that we "paid off the huge deficits" left by
Reagan and did so while not only expanding and solidifying our hard and
soft
power around the globe but we left then-fast-closing competitors in the
dust

Of course. I said that in my message: the military have taken
over, and the civilian space program is being dismantled.
The empire is much more interested in this planet than in
sci-fi nonsense.

You do not need a space scope to send military hardware
into near orbit to better control the whole world.

Scrap the scope and keep the marines.

t_mark wrote:
Empty words do not cost anything. Bush hasl not increased
NASA budget, and the next president will have to pay
back the huge deficits left by Bush.

You seem to have forgotten that we "paid off the huge deficits" left by
Reagan and did so while not only expanding and solidifying our hard and soft

Um.. you don't pay off deficits, you pay off depts. And no, the US has not paid
off Regan era depts or dept increases. Far from it in fact.

power around the globe but we left then-fast-closing competitors in the dust
in the process. But, please, make erroneous assumptions all you like. Hey,
better yet, read another Emanuel Todd piece, it will warm your heart and
tell you the comforting lies you need to hear.

How about you first finding out some basics about US central government debt?

--
Sander

+++ Out of cheese error +++

"jacob navia" wrote in news:c2dlc0$4l6$1@news-
reader2.wanadoo.fr:

A sign of the times: The astronauts training center in Florida
has been closed. No need for training centers since all that
is the past.

Incorrect. Astronauts have not trained in Florida since the end of the
Mercury program. Astronaut training is conducted at JSC in Houston, and
that training center has not been closed, nor is there any plan to close
it.

Of course, I am French and as a member of the evil empire
I have evil thoughts :-)

No, just stupid ones.
--
JRF

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On 07 Mar 2004 00:28:26 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Jorge R.
Frank" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

"jacob navia" wrote in news:c2dlc0$4l6$1@news-
reader2.wanadoo.fr:

A sign of the times: The astronauts training center in Florida
has been closed. No need for training centers since all that
is the past.

Incorrect. Astronauts have not trained in Florida since the end of the
Mercury program. Astronaut training is conducted at JSC in Houston, and
that training center has not been closed, nor is there any plan to close
it.

Of course, I am French and as a member of the evil empire
I have evil thoughts :-)

No, just stupid ones.

And uninformed ones. And paranoid ones.

How many shots per successful engagement it would take is an
interesting question -- I tend to think it's in the single-digits,
so we're talking about 10 shots 100 .

Hrm, I'm not sure why we bother then. Or why anyone else is trying to
bother.

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 05:54:24 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
Sander Vesik made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

In the end, the Zion (a Canaanite word, Canaans are the Israelites's
worst enemy) rules both space and earth not through military conquest,
but instead through financial conquest.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

This is even sillier than say Maxson or Guth usualy manages.

I wish that it were merely silly, and not a symptom of a deep regrowth
of a European pathology, not seen since the 1930s.

"Rand Simberg" a écrit dans le message de
.. .
On 07 Mar 2004 00:28:26 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Jorge R.
Frank" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

"jacob navia" wrote in news:c2dlc0$4l6$1@news-
reader2.wanadoo.fr:

A sign of the times: The astronauts training center in Florida
has been closed. No need for training centers since all that
is the past.

Incorrect. Astronauts have not trained in Florida since the end of the
Mercury program. Astronaut training is conducted at JSC in Houston, and
that training center has not been closed, nor is there any plan to close
it.

Of course, I am French and as a member of the evil empire
I have evil thoughts :-)

No, just stupid ones.

And uninformed ones. And paranoid ones.

Who is uninformed?

Please look in
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...et_040223.html
Budget Cuts May Close Underwater Lab
By Associated Press
posted: 02:00 pm ET
23 February 2004

WILMINGTON, N.C. (AP) -- The University of North Carolina at Wilmington may
have to shut down its underwater research lab -- the only one in the
world -- because of budget cuts to a program that helps pay for it.

UNCW manages the lab, a 400-square-foot capsule moored 63 feet below the
surface off of Key Largo, Fla. The federal government pays for its
operation.





This same news was in CNN

"Jorge R. Frank" a écrit dans le message de
...
"jacob navia" wrote in news:c2dlc0$4l6$1@news-
reader2.wanadoo.fr:

A sign of the times: The astronauts training center in Florida
has been closed. No need for training centers since all that
is the past.

Incorrect. Astronauts have not trained in Florida since the end of the
Mercury program. Astronaut training is conducted at JSC in Houston, and
that training center has not been closed, nor is there any plan to close
it.


I am speaking of the underwater training center in Florida.
This news was communicated by CNN and space.com.

Of course, I am French and as a member of the evil empire
I have evil thoughts :-)

No, just stupid ones.


Who is uninformed?

Please look in
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...et_040223.html
Budget Cuts May Close Underwater Lab
By Associated Press
posted: 02:00 pm ET
23 February 2004

WILMINGTON, N.C. (AP) -- The University of North Carolina at Wilmington may
have to shut down its underwater research lab -- the only one in the
world -- because of budget cuts to a program that helps pay for it.

UNCW manages the lab, a 400-square-foot capsule moored 63 feet below the
surface off of Key Largo, Fla. The federal government pays for its
operation.





This same news was in CNN. But is easier to insult the french. They are such
a cowards pack anyway.

"jacob navia" wrote in
:

"Jorge R. Frank" a écrit dans le message de
...
"jacob navia" wrote in
news:c2dlc0$4l6$1@news- reader2.wanadoo.fr:

A sign of the times: The astronauts training center in Florida
has been closed. No need for training centers since all that
is the past.

Incorrect. Astronauts have not trained in Florida since the end of
the Mercury program. Astronaut training is conducted at JSC in
Houston, and that training center has not been closed, nor is there
any plan to close it.

I am speaking of the underwater training center in Florida.
This news was communicated by CNN and space.com.

That is not a NASA facility. It is a UNCW facility primarily financed by
NOAA. NASA has leased it for astronaut training use on an occasional basis,
but it is not, and has never been, a primary facility for astronaut
training. Those are all in Houston.

Of course, I am French and as a member of the evil empire
I have evil thoughts :-)

No, just stupid ones.

Who is uninformed?

You are. You referred to Aquarius as "the" astronaut training center,
implying that it was 1) the only astronaut training facility, and 2) that
it was used solely for astronaut training. I was prepared to let that slide
as your unfamiliarity with English pronouns, had you not followed it up
with "no need for training centers."

Please look in
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...et_040223.html
Budget Cuts May Close Underwater Lab
By Associated Press
posted: 02:00 pm ET
23 February 2004

WILMINGTON, N.C. (AP) -- The University of North Carolina at
Wilmington may have to shut down its underwater research lab -- the
only one in the world -- because of budget cuts to a program that
helps pay for it.

UNCW manages the lab, a 400-square-foot capsule moored 63 feet below
the surface off of Key Largo, Fla. The federal government pays for its
operation.

You read it yourself, more carefully this time. Note that the bulk of
Aquarius' federal funding comes from NOAA, not NASA, and the cuts were in
that area, not the small amount of funding that NASA provides.

This same news was in CNN. But is easier to insult the french. They
are such a cowards pack anyway.

Cowardice is the least of their vices. But that's a subject for another
day.
--
JRF

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On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 11:50:55 +0100, in a place far, far away, "jacob
navia" made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:

A sign of the times: The astronauts training center in Florida
has been closed. No need for training centers since all that
is the past.

Incorrect. Astronauts have not trained in Florida since the end of the
Mercury program. Astronaut training is conducted at JSC in Houston, and
that training center has not been closed, nor is there any plan to close
it.

Of course, I am French and as a member of the evil empire
I have evil thoughts :-)

No, just stupid ones.

And uninformed ones. And paranoid ones.

Who is uninformed?

You, apparently, as the utter non-sequitur below demonstrates.

Please look in
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...et_040223.html
Budget Cuts May Close Underwater Lab
By Associated Press
posted: 02:00 pm ET
23 February 2004

WILMINGTON, N.C. (AP) -- The University of North Carolina at Wilmington may
have to shut down its underwater research lab -- the only one in the
world -- because of budget cuts to a program that helps pay for it.

UNCW manages the lab, a 400-square-foot capsule moored 63 feet below the
surface off of Key Largo, Fla. The federal government pays for its
operation.

This same news was in CNN

And this was not an "astronaut training facility." It was an undersea
research lab that some astronauts occasionally used (it was funded by
NOAA, not NASA). It is not essential to the space program.