WTF? Astronauts behaving badly!

On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:32:52 -0800, in a place far, far away, Bill
Baker made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:

But I don't see why Shipman would get whacked, even if she is still a
serving officer.

Not to mention that fact that we don't even know if she was involved,
or if this was just a Nowak delusion.

Oefelein isn't married.

Really? That's not what I've been hearing on the news. Not that it's
a reliable source.

But even if he's not married, she was, and he had to know it (and if
not, he should be canned for stupidity). "Homewrecker" is not an
astronaut duty, AFAIK.

Bill Baker a écrit :
I'm surprised that her counsel even tried to have her released on bail,
unless it was to walk her straight into a private mental health
facility. It's got to be hitting home that she's looking at a long
stretch of hard prison time, probable divorce and losing custody of her
kids, being kicked out of the Navy and losing her pension and benefits,
etc. She's clearly a high suicide risk.

Why all that?

Because she loved.

She loved with the desperation and the intensity
only true humans can do.

Yes. She is not the U.S. Army robot she should be.

She loves, and doesn't care about career, money looses
social status, because she loves.

Her tragedy is that, and I understand her. She actually
injured no one, killed no one, robbed no one, she
was just a desperate woman because she loved.

In all this posts by would be "lawyers" there isn't
a word of sympathy, not a word of understanding.
Words written by people that apparently are unable
to love, unable to forgive.

How deep you have fallen. Yes you all. It is not her that
is in deep trouble. IT IS YOU!!!

YOU who are unable to love, unable to understand someone
who is actually able to do that, to feel so desperate,
to FEEL you see?

YOU are "in deep ****". Not that woman in prison.

jacob

But even if he's not married, she was, and he had to know it (and if
not, he should be canned for stupidity). "Homewrecker" is not an
astronaut duty, AFAIK.

He could claim that this was just a Nowak delusion. "Sure, we trained
together, spent a lot of time in that training, but we didn't date.
Those lunches and dinners? People do that in companies and even here at
NASA all the time. To discuss the things going on at NASA and such.
But no dating, hell, I'm married."

On 2007-02-06 14:41:24 -0800, h (Rand
Simberg) said:

Oefelein isn't married.

Really? That's not what I've been hearing on the news. Not that it's
a reliable source.

Interesting write-up on the UCMJ fraternization possibilities for all
three--http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/side/4530330.html. Also
mentions that Oefelein is divorced.


But even if he's not married, she was, and he had to know it (and if
not, he should be canned for stupidity). "Homewrecker" is not an
astronaut duty, AFAIK.

I'm going by what the NASA PAO stated about "fraternization" among
flight crew not being specifically prohibited by NASA work rules. One
suspects that a "don't look, don't tell" standard for astronaut's love
lives dates back to NASA not wanting to know who the Right Stuff boys
were boinking on the side...

Anyway, if NASA didn't have a specific rule about flight crew
relationships prior to this mess, Oefelein could sue 'em if they
terminated him on that basis now. Like I said, he'll never fly again
but NASA could find it hard to boot the guy if he wants to stay.


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Why all that?

Because she loved.

She loved with the desperation and the intensity
only true humans can do.

Yes. She is not the U.S. Army robot she should be.

She loves, and doesn't care about career, money looses
social status, because she loves.

Her tragedy is that, and I understand her.

What did she do?

She actually injured no one, killed no one,
robbed no one, she was just a desperate woman
because she loved.

And that is unbearable.

In all this posts by would be "lawyers" there isn't
a word of sympathy, not a word of understanding.
Words written by people that apparently are unable
to love, unable to forgive.

How deep you have fallen. Yes you all. It is not her that
is in deep trouble. IT IS YOU!!!

YOU who are unable to love, unable to understand someone
who is actually able to do that, to feel so desperate,
to FEEL you see?

YOU are "in deep ****". Not that woman in prison.

jacob

jacob navia wrote:

YOU who are unable to love, unable to understand someone
who is actually able to do that, to feel so desperate,
to FEEL you see?

ROTFLMAO.

Millions, billions of people love deeply - few (relatively speaking)
threaten others with bodily harm over the issue.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

Bill Baker wrote:
relationships prior to this mess, Oefelein could sue 'em if they
terminated him on that basis now. Like I said, he'll never fly again
but NASA could find it hard to boot the guy if he wants to stay.

Pardon my ignorance here, but what has Oefelein done wrong ?

Say he had announced that he was ending relationship with girl-1 , then
starts relationship with girl-2. Girl-1 gets jealous and tries to kill
girl-2. In such a case, would the guy be guilty of anything ?

He'll probably be called to testify, but I really do not see why his
life/carreer should be ruined, even if he dated both at the same time.

On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:56:50 -0500, in a place far, far away, John Doe
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as
to indicate that:

Bill Baker wrote:
relationships prior to this mess, Oefelein could sue 'em if they
terminated him on that basis now. Like I said, he'll never fly again
but NASA could find it hard to boot the guy if he wants to stay.

Pardon my ignorance here, but what has Oefelein done wrong ?

Say he had announced that he was ending relationship with girl-1

Who was married, so he shouldn't have been in it in the first place.

then
starts relationship with girl-2.

We don't know that.

Girl-1 gets jealous and tries to kill
girl-2. In such a case, would the guy be guilty of anything ?

Not legally. Just morally.

Rand Simberg wrote:
I agree. This should be the end of the NASA careers of all involved
(if they really were involved). If marriages end, that's sad, but
affairs while married aren't what we should expect from the astronaut
corps, considering how overstaffed it is.

I don't approve of such conduct either, but according to a narrative
history of the early space program, John Glenn was either the only one
- or one of two - of the original Mercury Seven not to have engaged in
a considerable amount of womanizing.

Astronauts are chosen from test pilots. Test pilots, like athletes,
tend to have a certain personality type.

If spaceships were piloted by fat, balding, fifty-ish professors, we
might well have a quiet group of people to deal with. When they are
piloted instead by athletic and competitive individuals, sexual
indulgence will go with the territory.

That doesn't mean that some good sense, such as avoiding involvement
in adultery, can''t be demanded. But strict chastity, on the other
hand, would be asking too much.

John Savard

jacob navia wrote:
She actually injured no one, killed no one,
robbed no one, she was just a desperate woman
because she loved.

I would consider that a valid point if we had reason to believe she
hurt no one for reasons other than being caught in time.

John Savard