RUSSIAN ASTROLOGER SUES NASA, TRIES TO STOP DEEP IMPACT MISSION

ring_theory wrote:

Perhaps but i wouldn't count on it man is hopeless.

dont accuse the rest of the human race of being like you

"yt56erd" wrote in message
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ring_theory wrote:

snip - top tip circle lover try trimming the crap to make your
messages readable

I'm not beyond playing the part of a fool. If voicing my concern
about an
event that has even in an infinitismal chance that it could destroy
the
planet We ALL live on, than I'm the fool all day long.

Thats a relief.

you are a fool all day long. we already estabished that.

My appreation for the masses and their entropy of it is what creates
the
concern. Some things split when you impact them.

but you have no idea of the forces involved or the method of working
out if/how an object will split under impact.


No I'm not into the intricacies of the inflated funding game nasa
plays.
It's not like nasa hasn't got maneuvering in space down to a science.

However they have got science down to a science. unlike you.

I could make it alot easier and less time consuming. But NASA doesn't
have
the time for joe dumfuk inventors.

Thank god. otherwise they would have to listen to the likes of you all
day long demanding that they explain all their calculations and work
because you assume they havent bothered to think it through.

Won't if we don't try.

But I am sure you would find enough faults with that plan if it was
ever put forward.

do you honestly think that nasa people have never considered any other
option?

There is plenty to worry about. just because you choose to dissmiss
the the bad possibilities, doesn't mean they go away.

true. people dismiss you but you dont go away.

there is a reason i don't.



how do you get out of bed each day? can you bring yourself to cross
roads? Do you know the risk of you being hit by lightening is more
measureable than the risks you are worried about here.

have you ever worked out the risks and attendent probabilities of
getting electrocuted plugging your pc in so you can go online and make
posts like this?

For a starter they are a LOT bigger than 1/(almost)infinity.


I hope the damned thing splits into 3 pieces and mars pulls it in.

Ring


I hope it shatters into peieces just small enough that one single
pebble makes it through the atmosphere and hits you.


Death would be better than putting up with ignorance.

ring_theory wrote:

"Dan Baldwin" wrote in message
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ring_theory wrote:


No I'm the only one on the planet taking this seriously.

Perhaps there is hope for humanity after all.

Perhaps but i wouldn't count on it man is hopeless.

You are Alexa Cameron, and I claim my two fifty.


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ring_theory wrote:

"Dan Baldwin" wrote in message
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ring_theory wrote:


No I'm the only one on the planet taking this seriously.

Perhaps there is hope for humanity after all.

Perhaps but i wouldn't count on it man is hopeless.

You are Alexa Cameron, and I claim my two fifty.



Whatever

Wally Anglesea=99 wrote:
On 24 Apr 2005 13:35:21 -0700, "george" wrote:


Widdershins wrote:
Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory"

licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing
about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is
going
to do 2
things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect
that
nasa is
trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the
planet which
would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the
velocity
of the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll
reach
escape
velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most
likely right
into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by
impact or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the
line as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

The Inquisition probably.

I wasn't expecting the Inquisition

No-one expects the Inquisition

Remember.
The Sun goes round the Earth ROTFLMAO
the mass is reduced ???????
Are you sure that the poster isn't attempting to get their Iq into
the
low single figures ??

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"ring_theory" wrote in message
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Right I can agree with that however it's not it's natural orbit that
bothers
me as much as what it's orbit is going to be after we blow some landscape
out of it and give it a boost in velocity altering it's orbit.

Had this approach been used on titan we'd be dealing with a cataclismic
galactical event! Some things don't react well with explosions.

NASA could have just as well landed a probe of sorts on it and collect
data
over a period of time which is the normal method. Why all of a sudden do
we
change our method of observation??

Colliding particles isn't enough??

I just hope my speculations are wrong!


Oh, they're wrong all right.
In fact, everything you've written has been wrong on one level or another.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:46:24 GMT, "ring_theory"
wrote:


"Jim Phillips" wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, ring_theory wrote:


"Wally AngleseaT "
wrote
in message ...
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:09:53 -0700, Bob Officer
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:17:01 -0700, in alt.astrology, Widdershins
wrote:

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory"

licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing
about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is
going to
do 2
things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect
that
nasa is
trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the
planet
which
would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity
of
the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll
reach
escape
velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most
likely
right
into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by
impact
or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the
line
as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

Good question since a decrease of mass and increase in DeltaV will
raise
the
orbit. Said orbit now varies between mars and jupiter will put said
object
farther from Earth which orbits inside Mars orbit.

Tempel1 orbits in a 2:1 resonance with Jupiter.

IN a few years, Jupiter will give it another nudge, as it has in the
past. JUpiter nudged the comet so that it "went missing" for years,
before being re-acquired, and working back the mechanics, it was
established that the object was indeed Tempel1.

On of the reasons NASA picked Temepl1 is that it's orbit is so
precisely known. Something the chicken littles of the world seem to
deliberately ignore.



Right I can agree with that however it's not it's natural orbit that
bothers
me as much as what it's orbit is going to be after we blow some
landscape
out of it and give it a boost in velocity altering it's orbit.

Had this approach been used on titan we'd be dealing with a cataclismic
galactical event! Some things don't react well with explosions.

You obviously have *zero* appreciation for the masses involved. I
strongly suggest you learn *something* before making an even greater fool
of
yourself.


I'm not beyond playing the part of a fool.


Sig file material #1

If voicing my concern about an
event that has even in an infinitismal chance that it could destroy the
planet We ALL live on, than

I'm the fool all day long.

Sig file material #2


My appreation for the masses and their entropy of it is what creates the
concern. Some things split when you impact them.

NASA could have just as well landed a probe of sorts on it and collect
data
over a period of time which is the normal method.

Again, you have *no* appreciation for how hard a mission like this
would be.

No I'm not into the intricacies of the inflated funding game nasa plays.
It's not like nasa hasn't got maneuvering in space down to a science.

I could make it alot easier and less time consuming. But NASA doesn't have
the time for joe dumfuk inventors.



Why all of a sudden do we change our method of observation??

How many missions have we landed on comets?

Won't if we don't try.


Colliding particles isn't enough??

I just hope my speculations are wrong!

You have nothing to worry about--your speculations are wildly
wrong.

There is plenty to worry about. just because you choose to dissmiss
the the bad possibilities, doesn't mean they go away.

I hope the damned thing splits into 3 pieces and mars pulls it in.

Do you know the kinetic energy required to divert the comet arrive at
Mars?

Come back when you have figured it out.


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Commander of Southern Hemisphere Forces.

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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, ring_theory wrote:


"Jim Phillips" wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, ring_theory wrote:


"Wally AngleseaT "
wrote
in message ...
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:09:53 -0700, Bob Officer
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:17:01 -0700, in alt.astrology, Widdershins
wrote:

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:09:08 GMT, "ring_theory"

licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

I hope they win and nasa has to terminate the mission.
we shouldn't be messing with things we know little or nothing
about.

9p temple 1 slingshots between jupiter and mars this impact is
going to
do 2
things decrease it's mass and increase it's velocity. I suspect
that
nasa is
trying to get the comet to impact with mars adding water to the
planet
which
would be good for mars. problem is that by increasing the velocity
of
the
comet it is more likely it won't complete it's slingshot it'll
reach
escape
velocity to soon and be hurtled in an unexpected direction most
likely
right
into earths path. if by chance it's not a immediate responce by
impact
or
the unexpected direction thing it may still do it years down the
line
as
soon as the fall of 2010.

And your degree in orbital mechanics is from...?

Good question since a decrease of mass and increase in DeltaV will
raise
the
orbit. Said orbit now varies between mars and jupiter will put said
object
farther from Earth which orbits inside Mars orbit.

Tempel1 orbits in a 2:1 resonance with Jupiter.

IN a few years, Jupiter will give it another nudge, as it has in the
past. JUpiter nudged the comet so that it "went missing" for years,
before being re-acquired, and working back the mechanics, it was
established that the object was indeed Tempel1.

On of the reasons NASA picked Temepl1 is that it's orbit is so
precisely known. Something the chicken littles of the world seem to
deliberately ignore.



Right I can agree with that however it's not it's natural orbit that
bothers
me as much as what it's orbit is going to be after we blow some
landscape
out of it and give it a boost in velocity altering it's orbit.

Had this approach been used on titan we'd be dealing with a cataclismic
galactical event! Some things don't react well with explosions.

You obviously have *zero* appreciation for the masses involved. I
strongly suggest you learn *something* before making an even greater fool
of
yourself.


I'm not beyond playing the part of a fool. If voicing my concern about an
event that has even in an infinitismal chance that it could destroy the
planet We ALL live on, than I'm the fool all day long.

If I tried hard enough I could come up with a scenario wherein my
opening up a can of soda precipitates the destruction of all life on Earth.
How seriously should such a scenario be taken?

My appreation for the masses and their entropy of it is what creates the
concern. Some things split when you impact them.

Again: you have *zero* appreciation for the masses involved; here's
a quick-and-dirty calculation:

Tempel 1 is about 6 km long, but it's not spherical, so let's say it's got
the volume of a sphere about 3 km across. The volume of a sphere is 4/3 *
pi * r**3 (simplified to 4 * r**3), so the volume of the comet is 4 x
(1.5)**3 = 13.5 cubic kilometers. Assuming the comet is about as dense as
water, it has a density of 1 gram per cubic centimeter. 13.5 cubic kms =
13.5 x 10**15 cubic cms = 1.35 x 10**16 grams (13,500,000,000,000,000 gms).
The impactor mass is about 840 lbs which is about 400 kg = 4 x 10**8 gms.

So the comet is over 30,000,000 times as massive as the impactor (an SUV is
roughly 30,000,000 times as massive as a nickel).

NASA could have just as well landed a probe of sorts on it and collect
data
over a period of time which is the normal method.

Again, you have *no* appreciation for how hard a mission like this
would be.

No I'm not into the intricacies of the inflated funding game nasa plays.
It's not like nasa hasn't got maneuvering in space down to a science.

Landing on a moving body that doesn't have an atmosphere is much
harder than you think.

I could make it alot easier and less time consuming. But NASA doesn't have
the time for joe dumfuk inventors.

What would you do to make it "easier and less time consuming"?

Why all of a sudden do we change our method of observation??

How many missions have we landed on comets?

Won't if we don't try.

So for you the first step is landing a mission?

Colliding particles isn't enough??

I just hope my speculations are wrong!

You have nothing to worry about--your speculations are wildly
wrong.

There is plenty to worry about. just because you choose to dissmiss
the the bad possibilities, doesn't mean they go away.

There is a non-zero chance that I'll be struck by a meteor right
about...now. Nope, no meteor hit me; if one had, I'd probably be dead.
So being struck by a meteor is definitely a bad possibility--do you worry
that you'll be struck by a meteor? If not, why not?

I hope the damned thing splits into 3 pieces and mars pulls it in.

Wait, I thought you didn't want it impacting on Mars--what gives?

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I hope the damned thing splits into 3 pieces and mars pulls it in.

Wait, I thought you didn't want it impacting on Mars--what gives?


I don't want it impacting earth.

ring

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005, ring_theory wrote:


"Jim Phillips" wrote in message
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I hope the damned thing splits into 3 pieces and mars pulls it in.

Wait, I thought you didn't want it impacting on Mars--what gives?


I don't want it impacting earth.

I notice you snipped the calculations I made showing that Tempel 1
is about 30,000,000 times more massive than the impactor. Do you still
think the impactor will have much of an effect on Tempel 1? If so, why?

--
Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net
"Moms and dads these days are like the Democratic party: lame, spineless
and not holding up their end of the equation. And kids are like the
Republicans: drunk with power and out of control." -- Bill Maher