How does biggest Titan compare with Saturn V?

OM wrote...
even seen a picture of a boiler plate Mercury landing on land on
braking rockets.

Definitely not.

...I got it! I got it! Here's what he saw:

http://uncleodiescollectibles.com/im...orama%2008.jpg

http://uncleodiescollectibles.com/im...01%20Photo.jpg

Heh. That clip must have been almost worn out by the end of the LiS
series. They used it for landings, take-offs, meteors... BTW was Hapgood
modelled on any particular astronaut (IIRC he certainly had a southern
drawl)?

- Peter

OM wrote:

...I got it! I got it! Here's what he saw:

http://uncleodiescollectibles.com/im...orama%2008.jpg
http://uncleodiescollectibles.com/im...01%20Photo.jpg





These gizmos from "Robinson Crusoe On Mars" had a Mercury/Gemini look to
them, and landed under rocket power:
http://membres.lycos.fr/starmars/sfmovie/rob2.jpg
Then they'd generally blow up. ;-)

Pat

In article ,
says...


OM wrote:

...I got it! I got it! Here's what he saw:

http://uncleodiescollectibles.com/im...orama%2008.jpg
http://uncleodiescollectibles.com/im...01%20Photo.jpg





These gizmos from "Robinson Crusoe On Mars" had a Mercury/Gemini look to
them, and landed under rocket power:
http://membres.lycos.fr/starmars/sfmovie/rob2.jpg
Then they'd generally blow up. ;-)

It's one of that special breed of spacecraft -- the Hollywood Rocket.

They'd *all* generally blow up... *grin*...

--

"The problem isn't that there are so | Doug Van Dorn
many fools; it's that lightning isn't |
distributed right." -Mark Twain

"OM" om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote
in message ...
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:16:15 -0600, Damon Hill
wrote:

(Carsten Nielsen) wrote in
.com:

(Henry Spencer) wrote in message
... SNIP
With a revised interior, and braking rockets if you wanted routine
land touchdown (this was studied early in Apollo), yes, it should be
feasible.

I've even seen a picture of a boiler plate Mercury landing on land on
braking rockets.

Definitely not.

...I got it! I got it! Here's what he saw:

http://uncleodiescollectibles.com/im...orama%2008.jpg
http://uncleodiescollectibles.com/im...01%20Photo.jpg

OM

I always preferred the ANSA Icarus designs .....
http://www.goingfaster.com/icarus/mateenicarus.htm

http://www.goingfaster.com/icarus/artwork.html

variant
http://www.goingfaster.com/icarus/janrukricarus.htm

Doug... wrote:

These gizmos from "Robinson Crusoe On Mars" had a Mercury/Gemini look to
them, and landed under rocket power:
http://membres.lycos.fr/starmars/sfmovie/rob2.jpg
Then they'd generally blow up. ;-)



It's one of that special breed of spacecraft -- the Hollywood Rocket.

They'd *all* generally blow up... *grin*...



I'm glad that Viking I and II worked better than these two Mars landers;
one managed to topple into an active volcanic crater and blow up; the
other skidded down the side of a giant boulder and and also blew
up....fatally.
They were obviously some sort of lineal descendants of the DC-XA. ;-)

Pat

gb wrote:


variant
http://www.goingfaster.com/icarus/janrukricarus.htm



The above design bears a resemblance to the Narcissus from Alien; I like
it best, but always thought that the first movie hinted that there was a
great deal of the spacecraft submerged underwater after the crash, and
just the tip was sticking out of the water. Unless the back end was made
of lead, it would never end up at the angle shown in the first movie
otherwise:
http://www.cosmicorigins.com/retrosp...s_classic1.jpg
These are the original plans used to build the movie prop:
http://www.cloudster.com/Sets&Vehicl...delsPage3.html
They are from this page:
http://www.cloudster.com/Sets&Vehicl...asyModels.html
The ship is based on the Winged Gemini and Dyna-Soar according to its
designer:
http://www.cloudster.com/Sets&Vehicl...delsPage4.html
http://www.cloudster.com/Sets&Vehicl...delsPage7.html

Pat

Damon Hill wrote in message ...
(Carsten Nielsen) wrote in

I've even seen a picture of a boiler plate Mercury landing on land on
braking rockets.

Definitely not.

--Damon

Oh yes, I saw it in either Aviation Week, early 60'es or Spaceflight,
and the flame was coming from the *bottom* of the vehicle.

The test was descibed as a means to land on solid land.

Regards

Carsten Nielsen
Denmark

(Carsten Nielsen) wrote in
om:

Damon Hill wrote in message
...
(Carsten Nielsen) wrote in

I've even seen a picture of a boiler plate Mercury landing on land
on braking rockets.

Definitely not.

--Damon

Oh yes, I saw it in either Aviation Week, early 60'es or Spaceflight,
and the flame was coming from the *bottom* of the vehicle.

The test was descibed as a means to land on solid land.

Any online references for that? I'm _very_ skeptical that
Mercury ever explored that option; it was just too small to
carry the equipment.

--Damon

Damon Hill wrote:

Any online references for that? I'm _very_ skeptical that
Mercury ever explored that option; it was just too small to
carry the equipment.



Although it does have a detachable heatshield like Soyuz; but you'd have
to figure out a way to house the landing rockets and completely jettison
the heatshield (rather than have it hanging on the bottom of the landing
impact limiter bag) before firing the rockets - although I'm pretty sure
firing rockets inside the impact bag would make it and the heatshield
detach in fairly short order. :-)

Pat

Damon Hill wrote:

Any online references for that? I'm _very_ skeptical that Mercury
ever explored that option; it was just too small to carry the
equipment.

http://www.astronautix.com/craftfam/mercury.htm

"Mercury Mark I - Proposed derivatives of the basic one-crew Mercury
capsule for investigation of earth orbit rendezvous, lifting re-entry
and land landing."

http://www.astronautix.com/craft/mermarki.htm

Mercury Mark I Chronology

04 June 1959 - Mercury follow-on program using maneuverable Mercury
capsules.

"At a staff meeting, Space Task Group Director Robert R. Gilruth
suggested studying a Mercury follow-on program using maneuverable
Mercury capsules for land landings in predetermined areas."

--
Dave Michelson