Felxibility of Apollo design (was Space station future adrift (Soyuz purchase crisis) )

Derek Lyons wrote:

sigh It's not like you Henry to not actually read and comprehend
the initial post.

Please just admit that you were wrong and be done with it.

Also, you might consider leaving the lawyer routine to Herb. For one
thing, he's better at it than you are.

--
Dave Michelson

"Derek Lyons" wrote in message
...
When you do, you note the modularity is defined as 'being able to
leave bits not needed behind', something the Apollo spacecraft is
decidedly not able to do. Whether it's the super-heavy J mission SM,
or the ultra lightweight CRV SM, the CM is wedded always and forever
to a SM.

Reentry.

On 9 Dec 2004 06:41:45 -0800, wrote:

Owen also prepared (and patented) a design for a trans-Mars space
station based on this design (I think that one was planning on using a
NERVA upper stage to push it out to Mars and back again)---this was
actually released by one of the commercial model companies as a
plastic kid's model in the 1960s, as "NASA's Space Station."

....MPC's "Pilgrim-Observer" kit. Rather an interesting kit for its
time, and one that could easily be modified to be a bit more
plausible. Of course, it *did* have that staircase in Zero-G that made
a 'lot' of sense.

OM

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In article 1D7ud.470242$nl.150985@pd7tw3no,
Dave Michelson wrote:

Also, you might consider leaving the lawyer routine to Herb. For one
thing, he's better at it than you are.

Ouch. Talk about being damned with faint praise (at least in this
company . . . :-p)

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"Wow! This is like saying when engineers get involved, harmonic
oscillations tear apart bridges."
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On 9 Dec 2004 15:12:48 -0800, "Rusty" wrote:

Apollo also used one more Module. Can anyone name it?

....Docking Module on ASTP, natch.

http://www.io.com/~o_m/ssh_forgotten_astp.html

OM

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poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

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"Derek Lyons" wrote in message
...

When you do, you note the modularity is defined as 'being able to
leave bits not needed behind', something the Apollo spacecraft is
decidedly not able to do. Whether it's the super-heavy J mission SM,
or the ultra lightweight CRV SM, the CM is wedded always and forever
to a SM.

But the SM has different kit for each kind of mission. Some of it was taken
on a mission (eg 17), and some not (e.g. 7, ASTP, Skylab 2).

"OM" om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote
in message ...
On 9 Dec 2004 15:12:48 -0800, "Rusty" wrote:

Apollo also used one more Module. Can anyone name it?

...Docking Module on ASTP, natch.

http://www.io.com/~o_m/ssh_forgotten_astp.html

Which is really just the built version of the RM....

So not sure if that's really "one more...."



OM

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his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

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Dave Michelson wrote:

Derek Lyons wrote:

sigh It's not like you Henry to not actually read and comprehend
the initial post.

Please just admit that you were wrong and be done with it.

When I'm wrong, I generally do so.

However disagreeing is not the same as being wrong.

Also, you might consider leaving the lawyer routine to Herb. For one
thing, he's better at it than you are.

Frankly, bugger right off. At least I'm thinking and exploring the
design path rather than lurking and whining and sniping.

D.
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"Scott Hedrick" wrote:
"Derek Lyons" wrote in message
...

When you do, you note the modularity is defined as 'being able to
leave bits not needed behind', something the Apollo spacecraft is
decidedly not able to do. Whether it's the super-heavy J mission SM,
or the ultra lightweight CRV SM, the CM is wedded always and forever
to a SM.

Reentry.


Is a very brief portion of the total mission, not the total mission.
Without a SM, you'll never complete the mission and get to reenter.

(Not unless your 'mission' is a sub-orbital, an odd mission for the
CM, but possible if you really want to.)

D.
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"Neil Gerace" wrote:
"Derek Lyons" wrote in message
...

When you do, you note the modularity is defined as 'being able to
leave bits not needed behind', something the Apollo spacecraft is
decidedly not able to do. Whether it's the super-heavy J mission SM,
or the ultra lightweight CRV SM, the CM is wedded always and forever
to a SM.

But the SM has different kit for each kind of mission. Some of it was taken
on a mission (eg 17), and some not (e.g. 7, ASTP, Skylab 2).


An interesting point. The original post implied (to me) that
modularity was at a somewhat higher level than modifications.

D.
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