The Hunt for Planet Nine Continues

Now it is seen as possibly responsible for a basic fact about the Solar System:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/spac...-weird-orbits/

And of course, this being due to "gravity" and "angular momentum", we wouldn't
know about this if it wasn't for Isaac Newton!

John Savard

On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 12:27:57 AM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
Now it is seen as possibly responsible for a basic fact about the Solar System:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/spac...-weird-orbits/

And of course, this being due to "gravity" and "angular momentum", we wouldn't
know about this if it wasn't for Isaac Newton!

John Savard

Doesn't have the same ring as "Planet X" but if this thing is 3-10x as far as Pluhe to, it's impressive the Sun holds it in orbit.

On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 2:30:57 AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

Doesn't have the same ring as "Planet X" but if this thing is 3-10x as far as Pluhe to, it's impressive the Sun holds it in orbit.

Gravitons are massless, so gravity does not follow the Yukawa potential law; it
is a long-range force, following the inverse square law without an exponential

factor.

Why, then, would it be remarkable that the Sun keeps a body in orbit at a great
distance... unless that distance is _so_ great that other stars significantly
perturb its orbit?

John Savard

On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:30:55 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 12:27:57 AM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
Now it is seen as possibly responsible for a basic fact about the Solar System:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/spac...-weird-orbits/

And of course, this being due to "gravity" and "angular momentum", we wouldn't
know about this if it wasn't for Isaac Newton!

John Savard

Doesn't have the same ring as "Planet X" but if this thing is 3-10x as far as Pluhe to, it's impressive the Sun holds it in orbit.

Why? That just puts it in the scattered disc, along with millions of
smaller bodies. Even a thousand times farther out we have billions of
Oort Cloud bodies orbiting the Sun (more than a light year away).

There's no limit on how far away an orbiting body can be from the Sun.
It just comes down to the distance at which some other body will
perturb it from orbit.

Far more interesting, I think, is the suggestion that this
hypothesized body is a captured rogue planet. Capturing an outside
body requires at least a three-body interaction, so if true, it must
have come much deeper into the Solar System than its current position.

On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 8:22:17 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

Far more interesting, I think, is the suggestion that this
hypothesized body is a captured rogue planet. Capturing an outside
body requires at least a three-body interaction, so if true, it must
have come much deeper into the Solar System than its current position.

And to shift the plane of the orbits of all the planets in the Solar System, it
seems that it would almost have had to have caused a major change in the orbit
of Jupiter. (Maybe doing that to Saturn instead would have sufficed.)

However, the chances of finding the ruins of a lost civilization on Planet
Nine, from which we can learn the secret of building faster-than-light
spaceships, remain remote. Which means that it is unlikely to provide me with a
way to get far enough away from Donald Trump, should he be elected President.

John Savard

On Thursday, 21 July 2016 16:29:58 UTC+2, Quadibloc wrote:

However, the chances of finding the ruins of a lost civilization on Planet
Nine, from which we can learn the secret of building faster-than-light
spaceships, remain remote. Which means that it is unlikely to provide me with a way to get far enough away from Donald Trump, should he be elected President.

John Savard

Which brings up the subject of the aliens asking to be "taken to your leader."

They left almost immediately with tears of laughter running down their cheeks!

Apparently he claimed to be a direct descendant of Louis the 14th.

Sadly the aliens were not taken in by his lavish furnishings.

What spoilt it for them was the "Let Them Eat Cake" inscribed in huge, solid gold lettering above the entrance.

And "Arbeit macht frei" in black, wrought iron above the immigrant, servant's entrance.

On Friday, July 22, 2016 at 12:41:14 AM UTC-6, Chris.B wrote:

What spoilt it for them was the "Let Them Eat Cake" inscribed in huge, solid
gold lettering above the entrance.

So they *did* panic.

John Savard

On Friday, 22 July 2016 02:41:14 UTC-4, Chris.B wrote:
On Thursday, 21 July 2016 16:29:58 UTC+2, Quadibloc wrote:

However, the chances of finding the ruins of a lost civilization on Planet
Nine, from which we can learn the secret of building faster-than-light
spaceships, remain remote. Which means that it is unlikely to provide me with a way to get far enough away from Donald Trump, should he be elected President.

John Savard

Which brings up the subject of the aliens asking to be "taken to your leader."

They left almost immediately with tears of laughter running down their cheeks!

Apparently he claimed to be a direct descendant of Louis the 14th.

Sadly the aliens were not taken in by his lavish furnishings.

What spoilt it for them was the "Let Them Eat Cake" inscribed in huge, solid gold lettering above the entrance.

And "Arbeit macht frei" in black, wrought iron above the immigrant, servant's entrance.

Or, in another reality, the visage of an old, lazy, stupid bag who sold-out (along with her philandering husband) the entire U.S. to China and whomever else would pay them.

On Thursday, 21 July 2016 10:29:58 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 8:22:17 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

Far more interesting, I think, is the suggestion that this
hypothesized body is a captured rogue planet. Capturing an outside
body requires at least a three-body interaction, so if true, it must
have come much deeper into the Solar System than its current position.

And to shift the plane of the orbits of all the planets in the Solar System, it
seems that it would almost have had to have caused a major change in the orbit
of Jupiter. (Maybe doing that to Saturn instead would have sufficed.)

However, the chances of finding the ruins of a lost civilization on Planet
Nine, from which we can learn the secret of building faster-than-light
spaceships, remain remote. Which means that it is unlikely to provide me with a
way to get far enough away from Donald Trump, should he be elected President.

John Savard

Ah, now it starts. Every time some conservative is running, the libby-progs say "I'm going to run away! Waaaaaa!" Like Alec (Psycho) Baldwin. Guess what? They never do...

On Friday, 22 July 2016 18:59:05 UTC+2, RichA wrote:

Ah, now it starts. Every time some conservative is running, the libby-progs say "I'm going to run away! Waaaaaa!"

It's the human flight reflex from long before the first human's word was written in their own blood:

"If it looks like a pompous dictator, talks like a pompous dictator's daughter and swaggers like a small, fat man with a Golden Tamarind on his head, then misery for the masses will not be far behind!"