This is seriously funny

On Friday, July 22, 2016 at 11:03:13 AM UTC-7, Davoud wrote:
Mike Collins:
There are no native Americans. The first immigrants came via the land
bridge from Asia

Quadibloc:
You're only an immigrant if there are already people living there who ought
to have a say on whether you're allowed in.

I look for the day when we establish justice in the world and there are
no more borders, no more passports, no more immigrants.

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

Sounds crazy! )o:

Razzmatazz wrote:
On Friday, July 22, 2016 at 1:03:13 PM UTC-5, Davoud wrote:
Mike Collins:
There are no native Americans. The first immigrants came via the land
bridge from Asia

Quadibloc:
You're only an immigrant if there are already people living there who ought
to have a say on whether you're allowed in.

I look for the day when we establish justice in the world and there are
no more borders, no more passports, no more immigrants.

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

Speaking of borders and world government, after Brexit the British have
now forfeited the right to call Americans stupid. Take that, you limeys!
(That is perhaps until the November election)


Don't blame me. I voted remain.

Eventually this will be a sticker for my car window.

On Friday, July 22, 2016 at 12:03:13 PM UTC-6, Davoud wrote:

I look for the day when we establish justice in the world and there are
no more borders, no more passports, no more immigrants.

I'm not sure that is a necessary thing to happen for there to be justice in the
world, or even desirable: but it certainly is true that when there is justice in
the world, there will not be refugees, there will not be people urgently seeking
opportunity because their homeland is desperately poor.

John Savard

On Saturday, 23 July 2016 02:07:34 UTC+2, Quadibloc wrote:
On Friday, July 22, 2016 at 12:03:13 PM UTC-6, Davoud wrote:

I look for the day when we establish justice in the world and there are
no more borders, no more passports, no more immigrants.

I'm not sure that is a necessary thing to happen for there to be justice in the
world, or even desirable: but it certainly is true that when there is justice in
the world, there will not be refugees, there will not be people urgently seeking
opportunity because their homeland is desperately poor.

John Savard

History recalls that there is rarely a true shortage of anything vital. It is always the deliberate denial of such things which causes an exodus. A more just world might still have token national borders. But the international community would cross those borders to bring aid and justice to the majority. For too long we show respect to those completely unworthy of any respect under the guise of diplomacy/arms shipments.

We have some generations to go before we can learn live down our total indifference to the plight of literally billions on this very generous planet. All of whom suffer simply because of some despotic tyrant. Perhaps we should have a name for those of our own leaders who by action, or inaction, support such vile tyrants for personal or political profit? The Devil's Disciples may seem a little too melodramatic.

The Devil certainly seems to look after his own at the very top of the human pyramid. I may not believe in any god but The Devil has a very obvious "Special Relationship" with many "leaders." While the innocent are cut down in swathes, the truly evil live on into ripe old age. All still clinging to the slime and blood covered tendrils of power. As if by some hideous, unspeakable agreement with their Maker.

On Friday, July 22, 2016 at 11:51:10 PM UTC-6, Chris.B wrote:

History recalls that there is rarely a true shortage of anything vital.

Maybe that's because when there _is_ one, it never lasts for more than one
generation?

It just is not true that for most of human history that we have had near-zero
infant mortality rates, or societies where even the poorest had enough to eat.
The process may happen more dramatically in aphids - but pretty well all living
things breed in excess of replacement, and so they reach environmental limits,
and so their numbers are limited by starvation when they are not continually
trimmed by predation.

Humans have generally managed to avoid succumbing to predators. So it's been
starvation and plague for us rather than lions and tigers and sharks for the
most part.

John Savard

On Friday, July 22, 2016 at 11:51:10 PM UTC-6, Chris.B wrote:

The Devil certainly seems to look after his own at the very top of the human
pyramid. I may not believe in any god but The Devil has a very obvious "Special
Relationship" with many "leaders." While the innocent are cut down in swathes,
the truly evil live on into ripe old age. All still clinging to the slime and
blood covered tendrils of power. As if by some hideous, unspeakable agreement
with their Maker.

You need no devils nor Gods for that. In a material world, those who control
the gold and the guns live long: that's no surprise, it's because they're
equipped to look after themselves.

John Savard

On Friday, July 22, 2016 at 12:43:54 PM UTC-6, Mike Collins wrote:
Razzmatazz wrote:

Speaking of borders and world government, after Brexit the British have
now forfeited the right to call Americans stupid. Take that, you limeys!
(That is perhaps until the November election)

Don't blame me. I voted remain.

Eventually this will be a sticker for my car window.

It seems quite strange to me that it was non-white voters who saved America
from electing John McCain in 2008 - while he seemed like he would make a good
President, who would look after America's national security from terrorism
well, when the stock market crashed, he displayed a profound disconnect with
the economic concerns of the average working American.

And it looks like, once again in 2016, they will be the reason why Hillary
Clinton will win, not Donald Trump.

John Savard

On Tuesday, 19 July 2016 14:41:50 UTC-4, Razzmatazz wrote:
A hoot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OemqVWi_R0k

Every Hollywood left-lib will attack outsider Trump. Meanwhile, for the last 26 years you've had nothing but production job flight and a declining middle class. So, next election, same-old, same-old?

Quadibloc:
It seems quite strange to me that it was non-white voters who saved America
from electing John McCain in 2008 - while he seemed like he would make a good
President, who would look after America's national security from terrorism
well, when the stock market crashed, he displayed a profound disconnect with
the economic concerns of the average working American.

And it looks like, once again in 2016, they will be the reason why Hillary
Clinton will win, not Donald Trump.

No. There are not enough African Americans and Hispanics combined to
elect a president. The only distinct group in America that can elect a
president is women. Part of the reason that regressive white males are
angry is that they know they are irrelevant. As time goes on they
become less and less relevant, more and more angry, and, in a feedback
loop, less and less relevant. They don't know that there is a lower
limit and they have already reached it--utter irrelevance, at least in
the presidential election. The election of a half-African man* with an
Islamic name just seven years after 9/11, and his re-election four
years later, only underscores the futility of being an angry old white
guy.

*Quoting others as to race, because I do not recognize racial
divisions, only species. Except in dogs, where I recognize different
breeds within the a single species.

Trump has added a man to his ticket who has a broad anti-human-rights
agenda. It is women and African Americans and Hispanics who will defeat
Trump. I will do my part for justice by voting for Mrs. Clinton as
well, though my vote matters less. The old "what if everyone felt their
vote didn't matter" doesn't apply because everyone doesn't think that
and in Realpolitik Trump has no chance of winning my state, Maryland.
And, as I said, I will vote, as a matter of principal and because there
is more than the presidency at stake in this election.

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

On Saturday, July 23, 2016 at 11:48:25 AM UTC-5, RichA wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 July 2016 14:41:50 UTC-4, Razzmatazz wrote:
A hoot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OemqVWi_R0k

Every Hollywood left-lib will attack outsider Trump. Meanwhile, for the last 26 years you've had nothing but production job flight and a declining middle class. So, next election, same-old, same-old?

We are at statistical full employment and in many cities jobs are going unfilled. A friend in Denver tells me that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting an employment sign.

Yes indeed in some of the southern red states (I'm looking at you Mississippi) the unemployment is high and the poorly educated don't have much chance to land any kind of job. Part of that is because these states have been run by severe right wingers who cut infrastructure and education to the bone in order to save their constituents some taxes. It is no wonder then that young millennial entrepreneur job creators have declined to move there. What kind of life would they have and what kind of future would they be offering their kids?

Yesterday I heard one bright young kid from Miss in an interview on the radio. Straight A student, who upon graduation will high tail it out of there as soon as possible. Said there is nothing for him in the deep south, no opportunity, no real life. Meanwhile up east in NY state, Massachusetts and Maine where we have family, there is a distinct shortage of skilled workers and the pay is very good.