LISA, gravitational wave hunter, cancelled

On a sunny day (Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:35:56 -0500) it happened Sam Wormley
wrote in :

On 4/10/11 3:11 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
we KNOW ***LIGO*** sees nothing. Neither did Michelson Morley (sort of a small version of LIGO)

Betcha don't understand the difference between LOGO and

LOGO, YOUR LOGO?
:-)

No use arguing with your Einstein religion. I do not are with Jehovas either.
No use arguing with a book, better write your own.
May even get a following. But then Sam, it HAS to be original.

On Apr 11, 12:19*am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:35:56 -0500) it happened Sam Wormley
wrote in :

On 4/10/11 3:11 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
we KNOW ***LIGO*** sees nothing. Neither did Michelson Morley (sort of a small version of LIGO)

Betcha don't understand the difference between LOGO and

LOGO, YOUR LOGO?
:-)

No use arguing with your Einstein religion. I do not are with Jehovas either.
No use arguing with a book, better write your own.
May even get a following. But then Sam, it HAS to be original.

It seems rather much like you've never studied a book on the subject.

On 11/04/2011 08:19, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:35:56 -0500) it happened Sam Wormley
wrote :

On 4/10/11 3:11 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
we KNOW ***LIGO*** sees nothing. Neither did Michelson Morley (sort of a small version of LIGO)

Betcha don't understand the difference between LOGO and

LOGO, YOUR LOGO?
:-)

No use arguing with your Einstein religion. I do not are with Jehovas either.

Your "argument", such as it is is that because you do not understand a
word of Einstein's theory of relativity then it must be wrong. Has it
never occurred to you that there are plenty of people who do understand
and have tested it in intricate detail. It has so far passed every test.

Nature is the ultimate arbiter in disputes about physics and science!

Despite the fact that it has been experimentally verified again and
again ever since it was first proposed you deny its validity. There are
plenty of ion cyclotrons that routinely accelerate charged particles to
near light speed now. Next generation fab lines may even use coherent UV
synchrotron radiation sources. The predictions of relativity are
*correct* and only the most demented netkooks dispute this.

No use arguing with a book, better write your own.
May even get a following. But then Sam, it HAS to be original.

I doubt if LISA would have been sensitive enough given the complexity of
all the classical gravitational perturbations it would have suffered.
Observing gravitational waves directly is at the extreme limit of what
we might hope to achieve and to stand a chance some very compact massive
objects have to merge relatively nearby. We can still infer their
existence by watching tight binary pulsars orbital decay.

Regards,
Martin Brown

On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:47:15 +0100) it happened Martin Brown
wrote in
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On 11/04/2011 08:19, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:35:56 -0500) it happened Sam Wormley
wrote :

On 4/10/11 3:11 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
we KNOW ***LIGO*** sees nothing. Neither did Michelson Morley (sort of a small version of LIGO)

Betcha don't understand the difference between LOGO and

LOGO, YOUR LOGO?
:-)

No use arguing with your Einstein religion. I do not are with Jehovas either.

Your "argument", such as it is is that because you do not understand a
word of Einstein's theory of relativity then it must be wrong.

It *is* wrong because it is just a Jewish plot to boost their image.
They should have used a real scientist.
Just a WW2 relict.


Has it
never occurred to you that there are plenty of people who do understand
and have tested it in intricate detail.

There are hundreds of people in nut houses too, many more believed in a flat earth,
and some could do the calculations for 'epicycles'.
Epicycles sort of gave the right answer to some questions some of the time,
using the wrong explanation.


It has so far passed every test.

So, LIGO has seen gravity waves? New to me.

Anytime they observe something happening faster than c,
they immediately correct it for 'relativity' so not to be ousted out of the scientific community.




Nature is the ultimate arbiter in disputes about physics and science!

No, reality is.


I doubt if LISA

That is a start.

It is just a social project to keep some 'scientist', or rather people who had their brains
deformed by current pseudo science, busy.

On Apr 11, 2:37*am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:47:15 +0100) it happened Martin Brown
wrote in
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On 11/04/2011 08:19, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:35:56 -0500) it happened Sam Wormley
*wrote :

On 4/10/11 3:11 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
we KNOW ***LIGO*** sees nothing. Neither did Michelson Morley (sort of a small version of LIGO)

Betcha don't understand the difference between LOGO and

LOGO, YOUR LOGO?
:-)

No use arguing with your Einstein religion. I do not are with Jehovas either.

Your "argument", such as it is is that because you do not understand a
word of Einstein's theory of relativity then it must be wrong.

It *is* wrong because it is just a Jewish plot to boost their image.
They should have used a real scientist.
Just a WW2 relict.

What the ****? Did you just argue "but, jewish physics!" ?

[...]

It has so far passed every test.

So, LIGO has seen gravity waves? New to me.

Name one confirmed source of gravitational waves that LIGO should be
able to see. Be sure to remember the frequency/strain sensitivies.


Anytime they observe something happening faster than c,
they immediately correct it for 'relativity' so not to be ousted out of the scientific community.

This is known as a "lie".


Nature is the ultimate arbiter in disputes about physics and science!

No, reality is.

I doubt if LISA

That is a start.

It is just a social project to keep some 'scientist', or rather people who had their brains
deformed by current pseudo science, busy.

Be sure to write your congressmen, and advocate the systematic
destruction of American science.

On 11/04/2011 10:37, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:47:15 +0100) it happened Martin Brown
wrote in
:

On 11/04/2011 08:19, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:35:56 -0500) it happened Sam Wormley
wrote :

On 4/10/11 3:11 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
we KNOW ***LIGO*** sees nothing. Neither did Michelson Morley (sort of a small version of LIGO)

Betcha don't understand the difference between LOGO and

LOGO, YOUR LOGO?
:-)

No use arguing with your Einstein religion. I do not are with Jehovas either.

Your "argument", such as it is is that because you do not understand a
word of Einstein's theory of relativity then it must be wrong.

It *is* wrong because it is just a Jewish plot to boost their image.

Your anti-Semitism is a pathetically weak argument against relativity.

And anyway there were plenty of others who could easily have completed
the argument once Maxwell's equations had shown speed of light to be a
universal constant. You can derive the allowable self consistent
coordinate transforms for the laws of physics starting from there.

Einstein got there first and framed the physical description in a form
that unified all the component parts that others had partially solved.

They should have used a real scientist.
Just a WW2 relict.

His major work was in 1905 annus mirabilis and well before WWI never
mind WWII. The combatants even allowed Eddington safe passage to observe
the solar eclipse in 1919 in the first attempt to verify Einsteins
predictions for GR effects on stars near the sun.

http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.o...1/291.full.pdf

He had the Nobel prize for nearly two decades before WWII (and he got it
for explaining the photoelectric effect rather than for relativity).

Has it
never occurred to you that there are plenty of people who do understand
and have tested it in intricate detail.

There are hundreds of people in nut houses too, many more believed in a flat earth,
and some could do the calculations for 'epicycles'.
Epicycles sort of gave the right answer to some questions some of the time,
using the wrong explanation.

You first have to demonstrate that you have a better theory that
explains correctly something that ralativity cannot. Epicycles were an
early crude forerunner of Fourier analysis.

It has so far passed every test.

So, LIGO has seen gravity waves? New to me.

Null results from experiments that are so far into the noise do not
count. There is only an outside chance that there will be an event big
enough for LIGO to see it in several decades of operation.

Anytime they observe something happening faster than c,
they immediately correct it for 'relativity' so not to be ousted out of the scientific community.

Total utter paranoid bull****. Why don't you go and buy some of that
conman's FTL cable sucker and do your own experiments?

Nature is the ultimate arbiter in disputes about physics and science!

No, reality is.


I doubt if LISA

That is a start.

It is just a social project to keep some 'scientist', or rather people who had their brains
deformed by current pseudo science, busy.

LISA probably would probably not have been sensitive enough either and
for that reason I don't consider it a major loss. Plenty of good science
is possible by observing what is out there.

I would much rather see the square kilometer array get built.
http://www.skatelescope.org/the-technology/

Regards,
Martin Brown

On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:25:24 +0100) it happened Martin Brown
wrote in
:

No use arguing with your Einstein religion. I do not are with Jehovas either.

Your "argument", such as it is is that because you do not understand a
word of Einstein's theory of relativity then it must be wrong.

It *is* wrong because it is just a Jewish plot to boost their image.

Your anti-Semitism is a pathetically weak argument against relativity.

So disagreeing with Einstein makes you anti-semitic, well that shows your frame of mind.
Einstone was pretty much a political figure used to bolster the Jewish image after WW2.
He never did any experiment himself, stole from Bose, and others,
basically was an ashole.
Not that I like Jewish murderes who keep Palestinians in camps, not at all.
They have violated over 400 UN resolutions, do whetever they feel like
are just as bad or worse than what they say the Germans did to them.
Time they got a lesson.


And anyway there were plenty of others who could easily have completed
the argument once Maxwell's equations had shown speed of light to be a
universal constant.

They do not.


They should have used a real scientist.
Just a WW2 relict.

His major work was in 1905 annus mirabilis and well before WWI never
mind WWII. The combatants even allowed Eddington safe passage to observe
the solar eclipse in 1919 in the first attempt to verify Einsteins
predictions for GR effects on stars near the sun.

That was actually not so easy to interpret, but already then results were fiddled
so Einstein looked better.
A religion is so much easier to believe in than working with real data.


He had the Nobel prize for nearly two decades before WWII (and he got it
for explaining the photoelectric effect rather than for relativity).

That is the biggest joke of it all.
he is completely wrong about 'photons particles of light',
and I have explained in the past here how do explain the photo electric effect
from the wave perspective.
Many scientist at that time objected to Einstone getting that prize, just like China
objected to giving some trouble maker the peace prize.
That prize is a political award, even given to mass murderers if it the US so pleases.
Unfortunately it kills real science and replaces it with a yes-saying brain dead crowd,
You do not even know you have been had, but you COULD have figured it out if you looked at
all the NULL results from LIGO, CERN, ITER, no fusion power, no better weapons, nothing from the physicks cloned after WW2 using
Einsteins dogma.
All brain dead, lost generation, you are part of it.



I would much rather see the square kilometer array get built.
http://www.skatelescope.org/the-technology/

There are no civilisations within radio reach, and even if we could receive those,
then we could not decode those.
The window is too small, their transmissions would sound like noise at the most to us.
You need a different kind of medium to go there.

On Apr 11, 9:07*am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
[snip spew]

Why even post to a sci.* newsgroup when you obviously have no personal
interest in science?

Addressing Brown, Panteltje wrote:
Many scientist at that time objected to Einstein getting
the Nobel... That prize is a political award, which Unfortunately
[ http://tinyurl.com/Zio-Politics-with-Relativity and / or
http://tinyurl.com/Alberts-Zio-Politics-w-SR-GR ....
http://tinyurl.com/Mileva-Marics-1905-Manuscript ]
kills real science and replaces it with a worshipping brain
dead crowd. You do not even know you have been had,
but you COULD have figured it out if you looked at all the
NULL results from LIGO, CERN, ITER, no fusion power,
nothing from the physicks cloned after WW2 using Einsteins
dogma. All brain dead, lost generation, you are part of it.

hanson wrote:
Pante, you are not alone in your assessment. Here are
similar views by/from late 20th century luminaries
in physics.: See: http://tinyurl.com/lnvcjy wherein it says:

||| Professor Carver A. Mead of Caltech (a student of Feynman),
||| who said
||| "It is my firm belief that the last seven decades of the 20th century
||| will be characterized in history as the dark ages of physics."

||| or F.A Hayek, Nobel laureate, who said: "In the future,
||| Humanity will see in our Epoch an Era of superstition, essentially
||| associated with the names of Marx, Freud and Einstein"

||| or John Beckman, an astronomy professor & Einstein disciple:
||| "The theory of relativity lives on. Is it a true picture of reality?
||| That is probably more a matter of faith than of proof."

and even Einstein himself issued such warnings, saying:
||| AE "why would anyone be interested in getting exact
||| AE solutions from such an ephemeral set of equations?"
||| AE "... nothing [will] remains of my entire gravitation theory"

Thanks for the laughs, guys.... ahahahaha.... ahahahanson



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On Apr 9, 2:27*pm, Yousuf Khan wrote:
LISA, the Gravitational Wave Hunter, Canceled : Discovery News
"April is proving to be the cruelest month for the Laser Interferometer
Space Antenna (LISA), a major space mission to look for gravitational
waves that was slated for launch around 2015. But news broke this week
that NASA is abandoning funding for the project, which means the U.S.
will cede its role in developing this critical instrument in order to
redirect funds to the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST). Sure, money is
tight these days, and we need a replacement for the aging Hubble Space
Telescope. It's still a sad, sad day for physics."http://news.discovery.com/space/a-farewell-to-lisa-110408.html

Not sad,but reality Gravity is the weakest force,Gravity is the
strongest force.As the weakest force its non detectable. To look for
gravitation in space would be the worse place. Much worse than
dete4cting on Earth's surface. Gravity was the strongest force a
tillionth of a second before the BB. That is reality TreBert