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Old December 12th 10, 02:32 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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On Dec 11, 7:38*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 11, 3:59 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 8, 8:10 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:


Where's your fly-by-rocket research and subsequent reports?


Got anything better, faster or cheaper than Mook?


It's hard to exceed the cheapness of "all talk, no action".


In other words, you still have something less than squat to offer, and
have no intentions of ever creating anything new and improved, or that
of letting anyone else advance or much less exceed.


I've already accomplished more than Mook, since I'm not a delusional
con man.


And I've also accomplished more than you, since I'm not certifiably
insane.


Obviously so proud of your accomplishments that you can't dare to
mention any. *Sounds pretty cloak and dagger and/or spook/mole
worthy. *Not bad for a rogue double agent like yourself that's for
hire, and will do or say whatever it takes (for a buck).


See what I mean about you being certifiably insane, Guthball? *Thanks
for the ongoing public demonstration of proof.

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine-



freds signature describes himself.......
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Old December 12th 10, 05:25 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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On Dec 11, 6:59*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 8, 8:10 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:


Where's your fly-by-rocket research and subsequent reports?


Got anything better, faster or cheaper than Mook?


It's hard to exceed the cheapness of "all talk, no action".


In other words, you still have something less than squat to offer, and
have no intentions of ever creating anything new and improved, or that
of letting anyone else advance or much less exceed.


I've already accomplished more than Mook, since I'm not a delusional
con man.

And I've also accomplished more than you, since I'm not certifiably
insane.

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine


Fred, if you have achieved more than I, good on you lad. The thing
that concerns me is the evident malice with which you describe
yourself as if your self-worth is contingent on being better than I.
This reflects a deep seated psychic disturbance.

For the record, a delusion is a mistaken or misleading belief held
contrary to all reason. Fred, this accurately describes your
continuing fixed beliefs and ideas as they relate to me.

In short, you are the one who is delusional.

It frequently happens that the mentally ill such as yourself, project
on to the objects of their fascination the very features they wish to
disassociate from themselves.

When we look at the type of delusional disorders we see how far off
the mark you are Fred in claiming the things you do.

Diagnosis of a specific type of delusional disorder can sometimes be
made based on the content of the delusions. The Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) enumerates six types:

* Erotomanic Type (erotomania): delusion that a famous person is
in love with them.

* Grandiose Type: delusion that they are a famous person, claiming
the actual person is an imposter or an impersonator.

* Jealous Type: delusion that the individual's sexual partner is
unfaithful when it is in actual fact untrue.

* Persecutory Type: This delusion that someone to whom the person
is close is being malevolently treated in some way.

* Somatic Type: delusions that the person has some physical defect
or general medical condition

(Lippincott, 2008).[6]

* Mixed Type: delusions with characteristics of more than one of
the above types but with no one theme predominating.

haha - its easy to see that

(1) I don't believe any famous person is in love with me,
(2) I do not believe that I am a famous person and the actual famous
person is an imposter,
(3) I do not believe that my sexual partner is unfaithful,
(4) I do not believe that anyone close to me is being mistreated,
(5) I do not believe that I suffer from a physical defect or medical
condition
(6) I do not have any mixture of the above since I have no delusional
beliefs.

on the other hand its easy to see that you Fred find it important to
believe against all evidence that,

(1) I care about what you believe,
(2) that you are more capable than I, and that I am an imposter,
(3) that I lie and cheat and steal, and you have uncovered this
truth and wish to reveal it,
(4) that I am mistreating others in this group and you must defend
them against this mistreatment

Which are reflective of the first four types of the six types of
delusional disorder.

Your delusion that I am a con-man feeds into your persecutory type
delusion about me since you are unable to name the person I am
exploiting, the trick I am using or how this unnamed person is
enriching me and suffering a loss.
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Old December 12th 10, 06:06 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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On Dec 11, 7:00*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
William Mook wrote:

These things take time. *I am happy with the progress I've made. *I've
organized significant carbon reserves along with research to
demonstrate how it can be turned into a significant oil resource at
great profit. * I will do this, and it will be done in less time than
comparable resources have been organized.


We keep waiting for you to demonstrate you're more than just a load of
hot air, Mookie. *Get on with it, already...

--
"May God have mercy upon my enemies; they will need it."
* * * * * * * * * * -- General George S Patton, Jr.


Since I turn coal fields into oil fields, let's look at the life cycle
of an oil field;

Step 1: Licensing - 5 years

At the outset an oil company is given permission to explore, in other
words to look for oil, by the oil authority in the country concerned.
The authority gives companies permission by awarding exploration
licenses within what are known as license rounds. Alternatively, the
company may acquire licenses or license shares from other oil
companies. Such acquisitions must be approved by the country’s
authorities. One oil company is appointed as operator of an
exploration license and is responsible for running the operations.
Other part-owners act as partners in the license.

Step 2: Geology - 5 years - 10 years from start.

Up to five years are spent looking for oil within a licensed parcel.
Firstly, geological and geophysical maps and models of an area are
prepared using methods such as seismic surveys that tells how the
bedrock is structured and whether there are types of rock that could
contain oil and gas. Measuring magnetic fields is also used. Diagrams
and maps are then analyzed by geologists.

Step 3: Exploration Drilling - 10 years - 20 years from start.

Another five years is spend in exploration drilling. This is carried
out in areas where oil may be present. First an appraisal well is
drilled, which can take around one and a half to three months
depending on factors such as the type of rock. Samples are analyzed
continually during the drilling. If oil or gas are discovered the
company drills fringe wells to determine the extent of the reservoir.
Data from the drilling is analyzed and calculations made of the volume
of oil that the accumulation contains and whether it is commercially
worthwhile to develop a field for production. It usually takes ten
years from the time oil is discovered until a field begins production
– sometimes it takes longer. Once a company has proven an oil
discovery it may define the oil found as contingent resources.

Step 4: Production and development plan - 1 year - 21 years from
start.

Once an operator and its partners have together decided to develop a
field, a production and development plan is drawn up. This takes a
year. A field must be capable of producing for many years and in
times of low oil prices. The oil company therefore looks for
development and operating solutions that reduce costs. Floating
production units, reuse of installations and subsea solutions that
contribute to lowering costs result in better profitability and thus
increase opportunities to develop minor oil discoveries. The country’s
authorities must approve the production and development plan. Once
approved, a development license is granted. Once a decision has been
made to develop the field the oil in the field may be defined as
reserves.
Development of the field

Step 5: Development - 7 years - 28 years from start.

Before the oil field is developed, materials and services must be
procured and everything then has to be installed. A system for
transporting the oil produced must also be built. This work may be
carried out by the company’s own personnel or by external contractors.
Production wells may be drilled both vertically and horizontally. Up
to 40 wells may therefore cover an area of more than 10 kilometers out
from a production facility. Once drilling is complete, the facility is
test-run and fine-tuned to achieve a stable production level. It takes
up to seven years to develop fields the size I'm developing.

Step 6: Production and Sales - 30 years - 58 years from start.

After a while, peak production is reached. The company can usually
maintain this level for a period before production starts to decline.
If production tails off, one measure can be to drill injection wells
and inject water or gas into the reservoir to raise the pressure, or
to install pumping equipment. A more long-term measure may be to drill
new production wells in nearby oil reservoirs and connect these to the
production facility. The oil is transported from the oil field to
shipping ports where the oil is stored in oil cisterns until it is
collected by a customer. For large fields this is 30 years.

Step 7: Close Down of the oil field - 2 years - 60 years from start.

Once an oil field no longer contains sufficient oil to justify its
continued operation the oil company is obliged to fill in the wells,
dismantle and remove all equipment from the site and restore the area
if necessary. The license is then returned to the authorities. This
usually takes a year or two.


I signed my licenses in Indonesia in 2006 - it is now 2010. There is
a total proved reserve of 2.1 billion tons of carbon at two mine sites
which will be converted to 14.3 billion barrels of liquid fuels at a
rate of 1.25 million bpd from 184,000 tons of carbon per day and
15,400 tons of hydrogen per day.

Today, the carbon is worth less than $2 billion. As oil, it is worth
$225 billion at today's prices. Once in production the asset is worth
$477 billion when discounted at 6.5% rate. With rising oil prices it
may be worth three to five times this figure.

The cost of the facility is currently projected to be $22.85 billion.
We will get started with $6.8 billion that return venture capital
rates, and then expand the field by borrowing against production at
bank rates.

YR1 $ 1.14 $12.04 2.52%
YR2 $ 2.29 $17.20 3.61%
YR3 $ 4.57 $20.54 4.31%
YR4 $ 3.71 $ 6.49 1.36%
YR5 $ 3.71 $ 5.65 1.18%
YR6 $ 3.71 $ 4.91 1.03%
YR7 $ 3.71 $ 4.27 0.90%

TOTAL $22.85 $71.11 14.91%

The first $6.8 billion through year 3 returns 40% APR while the $16
billion balance leveraged against initial production in year 3 returns
15% APR. In this way, less than 15% of the output of the first
'field' is encumbers (35% of the output of the first production train
is encumbered and 80% of the 'reserves' are encumbered as well as all
work in process until first production)

At the end of the day, when production is under-way I will own over
$300 billion of this first field.

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Old December 12th 10, 06:08 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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On Dec 11, 10:55*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
" wrote:
On Dec 11, 7:38 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 11, 3:59 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 8, 8:10 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:


Where's your fly-by-rocket research and subsequent reports?


Got anything better, faster or cheaper than Mook?


It's hard to exceed the cheapness of "all talk, no action".


In other words, you still have something less than squat to offer, and
have no intentions of ever creating anything new and improved, or that
of letting anyone else advance or much less exceed.


I've already accomplished more than Mook, since I'm not a delusional
con man.


And I've also accomplished more than you, since I'm not certifiably
insane.


Obviously so proud of your accomplishments that you can't dare to
mention any. Sounds pretty cloak and dagger and/or spook/mole
worthy. Not bad for a rogue double agent like yourself that's for
hire, and will do or say whatever it takes (for a buck).


See what I mean about you being certifiably insane, Guthball? Thanks
for the ongoing public demonstration of proof.


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine-


freds signature describes himself.......


Would someone like to explain to Mr Haller just what level of
cluelessness it takes to remark on a .sig?

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
*territory."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --G. Behn


We all think it Fred, even if we don't comment on it.
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Old December 12th 10, 06:33 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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On Dec 11, 6:32*pm, " wrote:
On Dec 11, 7:38*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:



Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 11, 3:59 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 8, 8:10 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:


Where's your fly-by-rocket research and subsequent reports?


Got anything better, faster or cheaper than Mook?


It's hard to exceed the cheapness of "all talk, no action".


In other words, you still have something less than squat to offer, and
have no intentions of ever creating anything new and improved, or that
of letting anyone else advance or much less exceed.


I've already accomplished more than Mook, since I'm not a delusional
con man.


And I've also accomplished more than you, since I'm not certifiably
insane.


Obviously so proud of your accomplishments that you can't dare to
mention any. *Sounds pretty cloak and dagger and/or spook/mole
worthy. *Not bad for a rogue double agent like yourself that's for
hire, and will do or say whatever it takes (for a buck).


See what I mean about you being certifiably insane, Guthball? *Thanks
for the ongoing public demonstration of proof.


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine-


freds signature describes himself.......


Where is Fred incarcerated or institutionalized?

~ BG
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Old December 12th 10, 06:33 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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On Dec 11, 4:38*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 11, 3:59 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 8, 8:10 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:


Where's your fly-by-rocket research and subsequent reports?


Got anything better, faster or cheaper than Mook?


It's hard to exceed the cheapness of "all talk, no action".


In other words, you still have something less than squat to offer, and
have no intentions of ever creating anything new and improved, or that
of letting anyone else advance or much less exceed.


I've already accomplished more than Mook, since I'm not a delusional
con man.


And I've also accomplished more than you, since I'm not certifiably
insane.


Obviously so proud of your accomplishments that you can't dare to
mention any. *Sounds pretty cloak and dagger and/or spook/mole
worthy. *Not bad for a rogue double agent like yourself that's for
hire, and will do or say whatever it takes (for a buck).


See what I mean about you being certifiably insane, Guthball? *Thanks
for the ongoing public demonstration of proof.

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine


?
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Old December 12th 10, 12:15 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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A delusion is a belief held against all facts to the contrary. This
describes Fred's beliefs as they relate to me.

http://podcast.talktainmentradio.com/talk/2565604.mp3
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Old December 12th 10, 01:21 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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Phew, what a loony!

so fred you admit your a loon?

good first step to becoming a rational person, admit you have a
problem...........
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Old December 12th 10, 01:23 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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Where is Fred incarcerated or institutionalized?


I dont know but security is poor, inmates and insane asylumsshouldnt
alow internet access.......

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Old December 12th 10, 05:38 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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On Dec 12, 12:34*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
" wrote:
Phew, what a loony!


so fred you admit your a loon?


good first step to becoming a rational person, admit you have a
problem...........


That's the best you can do, Haller? *Lack of cultural literacy and a
tu quoque?

Sad, really...

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
*territory."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --G. Behn


i dont belive in flaming people, for 99% I just ignore the poster.

your the select 1% I comment on because well frankly your so off the
wall.....
 




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