Left-wing envirokooks better not oppose this

On Nov 19, 11:51*am, wrote:

This article will be difficult for you to understand:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/bu...mark.html?page...

IOW, fewer people looking for work ---- "lower unemployment."

Denmark is undergoing a highly destructive swing to the right. The
wrecking ball for the comfortable, middle-of-the-road, cradle-to-grave
socialism was a completely open door policy on economic immigration of
uneducated and unskilled benefit abusers. While suffering the highest
taxation levels in the world, for work, services and goods purchased,
the usually moderate Danes saw that these incomers were unwelcome.
They did the only thing they could: They voted in a right wing
government to stop the poisonous influx. Sadly one doesn't just get a
block on immigration. You always get the whole toxic, right wing
package without any of the potential benefits. Taxation hasn't really
changed and goods and services are still far more expensive than
anywhere else. The country is being drained by an illegal war and a
rapid redistribution of wealth to the already wealthy.

The Danish unions were once a force for long term stability and
equality but are being rapidly sidelined in the recession. While
employers are abusing cheap labour from impoverished Eastern Europe
and breaking long-standing agreements on minimum wages. Now combine
all this with the mass export of all the unskilled jobs to China and
Eastern Europe.

The Danes have badly lost their way and will probably spiral down into
levels of crime, racism and poverty to match other, poorer countries
further south. Which is a tragedy for the entire world because
moderate Scandinavian socialism worked remarkably well and could be
held up as an example to others, far less lucky. Sweden seems to be
going the same way for precisely the same reasons: Parasitic economic
immigration without integration, or the slightest sense of
responsibility, to their host nation. Ghettoes and mosques and hate
speech and traditional dress greatly outnumbering the natives in their
shopping malls and schools. While the Danes and Swedes continue to
work for ever reducing returns on their lifelong investment in their
own countries and former lifestyles.

On Nov 19, 4:51*am, wrote:
On Nov 19, 3:14*am, "Chris.B" wrote:

On Nov 19, 5:57*am, Quadibloc wrote:

American leadership, in technology, in industrial capability, and in
military might, is necessary for the continuance of world freedom, and
it has indeed been opposed by people who would have preferred the
Soviet Union as the model for the world for quite some time - and
despite its fall, this sort of thing has long continued.

Define "freedom".

What Western Europe purportedly had after WW II ended.

The freedom to be poor, oppressed, hungry, sick and homeless?

Such as the way things were in Europe in WW II?

And that's only Americans working long hours on minimum wage.

And twelve million or more illegal aliens. *How many illegals in
Denmark, again?

How long before shanty towns start springing up around the soup
kitchens?
Bah, humbug?

This article will be difficult for you to understand:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/bu...mark.html?page...

IOW, fewer people looking for work ---- "lower unemployment."

The shanty towns are already here. BoA is foreclosing on homes they
don't have a mortgage and forcing people into the street

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/201...ase-jumana-bau

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art..._home.htmlwens

But of course that's not a problem I mean those people worked hard and
saved their money so that they own their home free and clear. What's
poor BoA to do, they need to increase the pay of their top exec's and
give 200% bonuses, so they do what any conservative/teabagger would
do. Make up **** as they go, foreclose on house that never had a
mortgage, lie in front of a friendly judge, that the 10,000 foreclose
papers were carefully examined and signed by a single person in just 8
hours

Gee the number of illegals working in this country has declined
dramatically since mid 2008 (down 23,800 since July this year) yet the
number of jobs in the US has declined and unemployment increased
significantly. Care to comment?

Please get your head out of the Koch brothers ass

On Nov 19, 1:02*am, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:56:30 -0800 (PST), wrote:
You suggested that good design was inspired by the protests.

That is not what I said, and it's not what I meant.

Once again, in case you forgot, you wrote:

"They may even provide a service, by providing some pressure that
ensures these things really are designed to survive a launch failure."

Now, if that is not what you meant, then tell us what you did mean.
And remember, RTGs had survived accidents long before the protesters
ever appeared on the scene.

On Nov 19, 10:29*am, Quadibloc wrote:
On Nov 19, 3:18*am, wrote:

On Nov 19, 1:02*am, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:56:30 -0800 (PST), wrote:
You suggested that good design was inspired by the protests.
That is not what I said, and it's not what I meant.
"They may even provide a service, by
providing some pressure that ensures these things really are designed
to
survive a launch failure."
How shall we interpret your comment?

His post shows that he was in substantive agreement with you - that
the protests were misguided, and NASA's design of RTGs for space was
adequate.

Only after I pointed out his errors, did he try some spin control.

Simply because he dared to speculate in an aside that these
protestors, ill-founded though their actions may have been, might
still have at least provided the benefit of encouraging some small
additional measure of caution on NASA's part...

You used quite a few weasel words in that phrase, but there really
isn't any actual evidence to support his claim is there?

does _not_ mean he is
supporting them, or trying to give to them the credit for NASA's
efforts.

When he uses phrases such as "They may even provide a service," one
might logically conclude that he supports their actions.

This kind of overly vehement and overly ideological reaction
only serves to make you look like an unreasonable person,

LOL ! Ideological reaction? Pointing out that the RTGs were already
well-designed is ideological?

excessively
driven by politics,

You'll have to tell us how politics fits into this.

and thus diminishing your credibility.

You have no credibility at all.

That is not the way to win the fight against those who want to tear
down America. Moderates like J.F.K. made Americans aware of how evil
Communism was; had it been left to Joe McCarthy and the John Birch
Society, far too many people would have mistakenly thought Communism
was just an imaginary bogeyman until it was too late.

OK, now you somehow drifted over to the subject of communism.
Americans were familiar with the evils of communism before JFK, and
were not about to mistake it for some "imaginary bogeyman."

On Nov 20, 3:29*am, "Chris.B" wrote:
On Nov 19, 11:51*am, wrote:



This article will be difficult for you to understand:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/bu...mark.html?page...

IOW, fewer people looking for work ---- "lower unemployment."

Denmark is undergoing a highly destructive swing to the right. The
wrecking ball for the comfortable, middle-of-the-road, cradle-to-grave
socialism was a completely open door policy on economic immigration of
uneducated and unskilled benefit abusers.

If you give away free stuff, people will take advantage.

While suffering the highest
taxation levels in the world, for work, services and goods purchased,
the usually moderate Danes saw that these incomers were unwelcome.
They did the only thing they could: They voted in a right wing
government to stop the poisonous influx.

Maybe if Denmark had a decent political system the "incomers" would
have found the country to be a land of opportunity.

Sadly one doesn't just get a
block on immigration. You always get the whole toxic, right wing
package without any of the potential benefits.

Define right-wing for us. (Apparently it includes anything and
everything that you don't like.)

Taxation hasn't really
changed and goods and services are still far more expensive than
anywhere else.

What a shame. Why do you suppose that is?

The country is being drained by an illegal war and a
rapid redistribution of wealth to the already wealthy.

How does this so-called redistribution take place exactly?

The Danish unions were once a force for long term stability and
equality but are being rapidly sidelined in the recession. While
employers are abusing cheap labour from impoverished Eastern Europe
and breaking long-standing agreements on minimum wages. Now combine
all this with the mass export of all the unskilled jobs to China and
Eastern Europe.

If you make it too expensive to run a business, businesses will leave.

The Danes have badly lost their way and will probably spiral down into
levels of crime, racism and poverty to match other, poorer countries
further south. Which is a tragedy for the entire world because
moderate Scandinavian socialism worked remarkably well and could be
held up as an example to others,

Of what not to do.

far less lucky. Sweden seems to be
going the same way for precisely the same reasons: Parasitic economic
immigration without integration, or the slightest sense of
responsibility, to their host nation. Ghettoes and mosques and hate
speech and traditional dress greatly outnumbering the natives in their
shopping malls and schools. While the Danes and Swedes continue to
work for ever reducing returns on their lifelong investment in their
own countries and former lifestyles.

Xenophobe.

On Nov 21, 2:24*pm, yourmommycalledandsaidbehave
wrote:
On Nov 19, 4:51*am, wrote:





On Nov 19, 3:14*am, "Chris.B" wrote:

On Nov 19, 5:57*am, Quadibloc wrote:

American leadership, in technology, in industrial capability, and in
military might, is necessary for the continuance of world freedom, and
it has indeed been opposed by people who would have preferred the
Soviet Union as the model for the world for quite some time - and
despite its fall, this sort of thing has long continued.

Define "freedom".

What Western Europe purportedly had after WW II ended.

The freedom to be poor, oppressed, hungry, sick and homeless?

Such as the way things were in Europe in WW II?

And that's only Americans working long hours on minimum wage.

And twelve million or more illegal aliens. *How many illegals in
Denmark, again?

How long before shanty towns start springing up around the soup
kitchens?
Bah, humbug?

This article will be difficult for you to understand:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/bu...mark.html?page...

IOW, fewer people looking for work ---- "lower unemployment."

The shanty towns are already here. BoA is foreclosing on homes they
don't have a mortgage and forcing people into the street

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/201...-wrongful-fore...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...f_america_fore...

But of course that's not a problem I mean those people worked hard and
saved their money so that they own their home free and clear. *What's
poor BoA to do, they need to increase the pay of their top exec's and
give 200% bonuses, so they do what any conservative/teabagger would
do. Make up **** as they go, foreclose on house that never had a
mortgage, lie in front of a friendly judge, that the 10,000 foreclose
papers were carefully examined and signed by a single person in just 8
hours

Gee the number of illegals working in this country has declined
dramatically since mid 2008 (down 23,800 since July this year) yet the
number of jobs in the US has declined and unemployment increased
significantly. *Care to comment?

Please get your head out of the Koch brothers ass

Get yours out of your own.

On Nov 23, 12:26*am, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:56:24 -0800 (PST), wrote:
Now, if that is not what you meant, then tell us what you did mean.
And remember, RTGs had survived accidents long before the protesters
ever appeared on the scene.

What can I say?

So you agree that the protesters had no influence whatsoever on the
design or safety of RTGs?

That's all you have to say.

You're an idiot that likes to argue. About anything. As
usual, you are totally unable to understand what anybody else says- you
pass everything through some sort of personal distortion filter.

I don't a have a "personal distortion filter" (whatever that is) but I
do have a good BS detector.

On Nov 23, 6:58*am, wrote:

I don't a have a "personal distortion filter" (whatever that is) but I
do have a good BS detector.

But ain't it hard to shovel when you are blinkered?

(This was a rhetorical question)

Define successful when tens of millions have no medical care and soup
kitchens are the last growth industry...

While the other half "medicate themselves" to suppress the gnawing
emptiness of living the dream.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Planet_Index

Those who sneer at the misfortune of others are an endangered species.
Soon, only King Rat will have anything to crow about.

On Nov 23, 3:12*am, "Chris.B" wrote:
On Nov 23, 6:58*am, wrote:



I don't a have a "personal distortion filter" (whatever that is) but I
do have a good BS detector.

But ain't it hard to shovel when you are blinkered?

I avoid the stuff. You are the one doing the shoveling. And you are
responsible for much of the production.

(This was a rhetorical question)

No, it wasn't.

Define successful when tens of millions have no medical care and soup
kitchens are the last growth industry...

While the other half "medicate themselves" to suppress the gnawing
emptiness of living the dream.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Planet_Index

Garbage in, garbage out. Although it is amusing that Denmark is
declining, while US improves. Even more amusing is that Saudi Arabia
ranks higher than either. Hmmm.

On Nov 22, 10:09*pm, wrote:

When he uses phrases such as "They may even provide a service," one
might logically conclude that he supports their actions.

Not if one applies the normal rules of idiomatic English to that
phrase.

Its meaning, normally, is:

- their actions are, on the whole, negative
- but the negative consequences of their actions are slight, and may
be disregarded
- a possibility may even exist that those actions yield some slight
side benefit

That is not an argument for joining the misguided and ill-informed
protests, it is merely an argument for not making an effort to bring
them to an end.

I'll grant you that there are responses to that argument.

Any kind of protest anywhere near places where rockets are launched
puts a strain on security resources in the post-9/11 era.

If people harbor misinformed beliefs which lead them to exaggerate the
dangers of nuclear power, the consequences of such mistaken ideas are
not limited to whatever protest activity such people are engaging in
at present. People who live in a fantasy world are dangerous, because
of course they take their fantasies seriously, as what they believe to
be reality, and, therefore, it is not clear what they might do *next*.

Thus, like you, I don't share his optimism. Unlike you, I don't
approve of putting words in his mouth.

John Savard