Bye-bye Moon program, hello ISS to 2020

On Jan 29, 4:02�am, Pat Flannery wrote:
Damien Valentine wrote:
On Jan 27, 4:56 pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
Ares-1, Ares-V, Constellation - all dead:http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-a...-budget27-2010...
Possibly a heavy lift booster at some future point.
But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015.

Have we got any official confirmation for this? �For all we know, the
"LA Times" just interviewed a couple of janitors and called them
"anonymous".

The story was reported in several differnt places, so it sounds like a
administration leak to lessen the surprise when the program termination
comes.



Incidentally, since at least half the people on this newsgroup hated
the Constellation program in the first place...shouldn't we consider
this a good thing?

It suits me fine, that's for sure.

Pat

I too am happy, NASA just spent money with little return on investment
other than enriching some military contractors and piles of receipts:
(

Its time for private industry to take over

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:32:38 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

I too am happy, NASA just spent money with little return on investment
other than enriching some military contractors and piles of receipts:
(

Its time for private industry to take over


What "private industry"? In the first place, the "private companies"
will not be building rockets with their own capital or capital they
raise privately but with money from the administration, $6 billion
over three years or something like that, and still working with NASA.
The relationaship may change somehow, but the flow of money from what.
And where are these private astronaust

Second, if Boeing, ILA, or Lockmart get in on the act, guess what?
The same "private industry" who got the money before under contracts
will still get it. And who has to facilities and the simulators to
train private astronauts? Back to NASA again.

So .... what was your point again?

On Feb 1, 1:19*pm, Michael Gallagher wrote:

Wrong on all accounts

What "private industry"? *In the first place, the "private companies"
will not be building rockets with their own capital or capital they
raise privately

ULA and Space already have their boosters

but with money from the administration, $6 billion
over three years or something like that, and still working with NASA.
The relationaship may change somehow, but the flow of money from what.

No, that money will be for services rendered and not development

And where are these private astronaust

They will be new and ex astronauts. No need for them right now.
There is time to develop them.

Second, if Boeing, ILA, or Lockmart get in on the act, guess what?
The same "private industry" who got the money before under contracts
will still get it.

Different and cheaper contract format

And who has to facilities and the simulators to
train private astronauts? *Back to NASA again. *

Incorrect, the companies supplying the capsules will have their own
trainers. NASA will no longer have spacecraft simulators. The rest
of NASA's facilities are not needed to train commercial astronauts.
The companies will have their own training syllabus.
NASA will still have to train its astronauts for ISS duties.

Pat Flannery wrote:

Damien Valentine wrote:
On Jan 27, 4:56 pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
Ares-1, Ares-V, Constellation - all dead:http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-a...-budget27-2010...
Possibly a heavy lift booster at some future point.
But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015.

Have we got any official confirmation for this? For all we know, the
"LA Times" just interviewed a couple of janitors and called them
"anonymous".

The story was reported in several differnt places, so it sounds like a
administration leak to lessen the surprise when the program termination
comes.

Or it could be, as has happened before, they are just repeating what
the LA times said in order to escape being seen as having been
scooped. Today, when we can compare and contrast stories from
multiple sources, we have to carefully avoid the error of assuming
"that everyone is saying it, therefore it must be so".

D.
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-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

Derek Lyons wrote:
O Today, when we can compare and contrast stories from
multiple sources, we have to carefully avoid the error of assuming
"that everyone is saying it, therefore it must be so".

You're right, let's see what Fox News has to say:
"President betrays humanity's future by cancelling all space research
that doesn't further his idiotic global warming hidden agenda - America
will be completly communist by around noon next Tuesday."

Pat

On Jan 29, 10:47�pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
Derek Lyons wrote:
O Today, when we can compare and contrast stories from
multiple sources, we have to carefully avoid the error of assuming
"that everyone is saying it, therefore it must be so".

You're right, let's see what Fox News has to say:
"President betrays humanity's future by cancelling all space research
that doesn't further his idiotic global warming hidden agenda - America
will be completly communist by around noon next Tuesday."

Pat

NASA COULD of had atlas and delta heavies carrying capsules by now.
But they got greedy wanted a new program and its probably their last
chance, they dont deserve another...

On Jan 28, 6:51*pm, Damien Valentine wrote:
On Jan 27, 4:56*pm, Pat Flannery wrote:

Ares-1, Ares-V, Constellation - all dead:http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-a...-budget27-2010...
Possibly a heavy lift booster at some future point.
But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015.

Have we got any official confirmation for this? *For all we know, the
"LA Times" just interviewed a couple of janitors and called them
"anonymous".

Incidentally, since at least half the people on this newsgroup hated
the Constellation program in the first place...shouldn't we consider
this a good thing?

It's on NY Times too, and NY Times said it came from an
administration official. And it will be officially released next
Monday. I don't think it's junk news since it's pretty standard for
new policies to be intentionally released to the news media if only to
gauge public and congressional reaction.

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:51:13 -0800 (PST), Damien Valentine
wrote:

Incidentally, since at least half the people on this newsgroup hated
the Constellation program in the first place

The program, or NASA's implementation of it? I don't recall too many
here screaming bloody murder about going back to the moon and on to
Mars (although some wanted to go straight to Mars.) "1 1/2 Launch" met
great skepticism, and the slow death spiral as less cheap,
off-the-shelf tech was replaced by expensive all-new, incompatible
designs unleashed a cacophony of critisicm. But Constellation as a
whole? Not so much.

But I do think NASA screwed the pooch once too often with the Ares
debacle, and this might have been the last chance it was ever given.

Brian

Brian Thorn wrote:
But I do think NASA screwed the pooch once too often with the Ares
debacle, and this might have been the last chance it was ever given.

Yeah, their whole post-Shuttle manned program initiatives have been one
long string of cancellations.
It would be fun to tally up how many billions of dollars have been
wasted that way over the past years.
Up to the moment, Constellation has cost $9.1 billion:
http://www.seattlepi.com/national/15...sa_future.html

Pat

" It would be fun to tally up how many billions of dollars have been
wasted that way over the past years.

Air Force DSP IR Early warning replacement has to hold the record - First
launched in the 60s, replacement started as MSP in 1974, then became DSP II,
BSTS, FEWS, AWS, SBIRS and a few I forgot. . The first SBIRS GEO is slated
to launch in 2012.