For as little as another two cents, what do we get?

Double-A wrote:

So, I find you in another thead where you are just talking to
yourself!

Please don't feed the trolls. Guth exists
only to gain attention.

On Jul 22, 6:41*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Jul 8, 2:06*pm, BradGuth wrote:



On Jun 29, 3:47*pm, BradGuth wrote:

On Jun 26, 10:57*am, BradGuth wrote:

Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
cost as one CoRoT.

The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.

TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg1000 kg should have
no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
system. *With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.

Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
gyros could fail at most any time. *A decade worth of CCD improvements
and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
*http://trace.lmsal.com/
*http://directory.eoportal.org/presen...129/10301.html

Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
as little as $1000/kg.
*http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/...ssia/shtil.htm

How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
costing us? *Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
observing instrument?
*http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_s...it_English.pdf

Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
*http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?t...ort_estimation

It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
observatory R&D plus its mission cost *been mentioned. *If it can’t
even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
what good is it?

I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
170 million euros ($225M). *That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
decade budget for gathering and publishing its data. *A TRACEe3 could
be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
cent per human population. *TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
B.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

You folks do realize that I'm talking about a one-time expense or draw
of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals. *In most
states and many other nations you could get a 5 cent refund on an
aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're talking about getting
a dime per beverage bottle or can. *So, how poor do we have to get in
order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too much to ask for?

We're talking of humanity roughly spending 2 cents per decade for each
TRACEe3, though perhaps consolidating three of these nifty
observatories (two TRACEe2 and one TRACEe3) for as little as 5 cents
per decade.

What exactly would a truly intelligent ET think of us?

So once again, instead of seeing any real progress we have this other
better thing of systematically ignoring and/or obfuscating on behalf
of avoiding truths and whatever is technically doable, as well as
banishing and/or trashing those with nothing but good intentions, and
otherwise we have this other lemming genetic disorder and subsequent
obsession of no longer deductively thinking for ourselves (ideal
minions for warlords and cabals). *No wonder this nation and the world
in general has been going nowhere.

Now try to imagine an entire world discovered by ETs, as populated by
lemmings, such as Eden/Earth.

So why the great silent treatment? (is TRACE a dirty word?)

BradGuth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “GuthUsenet”

On Jul 27, 7:48*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Jul 22, 6:41*am, BradGuth wrote:



On Jul 8, 2:06*pm, BradGuth wrote:

On Jun 29, 3:47*pm, BradGuth wrote:

On Jun 26, 10:57*am, BradGuth wrote:

Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
cost as one CoRoT.

The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.

TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg1000 kg should have
no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
system. *With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.

Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
gyros could fail at most any time. *A decade worth of CCD improvements
and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
*http://trace.lmsal.com/
*http://directory.eoportal.org/presen...129/10301.html

Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
as little as $1000/kg.
*http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/...ssia/shtil.htm

How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
costing us? *Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
observing instrument?
*http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_s...it_English.pdf

Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
*http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?t...ort_estimation

It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
observatory R&D plus its mission cost *been mentioned. *If it can’t
even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
what good is it?

I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
170 million euros ($225M). *That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
decade budget for gathering and publishing its data. *A TRACEe3 could
be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
cent per human population. *TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
B.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

You folks do realize that I'm talking about a one-time expense or draw
of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals. *In most
states and many other nations you could get a 5 cent refund on an
aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're talking about getting
a dime per beverage bottle or can. *So, how poor do we have to get in
order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too much to ask for?

We're talking of humanity roughly spending 2 cents per decade for each
TRACEe3, though perhaps consolidating three of these nifty
observatories (two TRACEe2 and one TRACEe3) for as little as 5 cents
per decade.

What exactly would a truly intelligent ET think of us?

So once again, instead of seeing any real progress we have this other
better thing of systematically ignoring and/or obfuscating on behalf
of avoiding truths and whatever is technically doable, as well as
banishing and/or trashing those with nothing but good intentions, and
otherwise we have this other lemming genetic disorder and subsequent
obsession of no longer deductively thinking for ourselves (ideal
minions for warlords and cabals). *No wonder this nation and the world
in general has been going nowhere.

Now try to imagine an entire world discovered by ETs, as populated by
lemmings, such as Eden/Earth.

So why the great silent treatment? (is TRACE a dirty word?)

I’d thought this topic of TRACEe2 and TRACEe3 had died, by way of the
usual topic/author stalking and bashing that mainstream minions
(usually faith-based republicans), status-quo bigots and brown-nosed
clowns that otherwise ignore and/or banish whatever rocks their kosher
boat. But lo and behold, my shadow rabbi comes to its rescue.

Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

Now we have a new and improved gauntlet of a topic/author taboo and/or
banishment enforced policy, or rather media infowar tactic, even if it
means forcing mainstream to ignore any fix to our badly GW traumatized
environment and of its unique biodiversity we call Eden/Earth, or
merely on behalf of improving it’s use of government and our limited
resources. The biggest forbidden topics have to do with discussing
other forms of off-world intelligent life, because such isn’t supposed
to exist unless it’s of a subhuman Zionist/Jewish species that we get
to dominate and profit from. (isn't that special)

All we seem to get nowadays is the usual Republican Zionist Nazi
replies of change nothing and otherwise do nothing, because apparently
nothing is bad with the way everything is, and besides nothing
seriously bad is ever going to happen, and even if it should we mere
humans couldn't have done anything positive or constructive for the
better.

In other warm and fuzzy Usenet/newsgroup words of cult/cabal wisdom;
Change nothing, revise nothing and above all do nothing open-minded
about learning, exploring, researching or forbid any public sharing of
whatever deductive formulated knowledge or even alternative
interpretations, because we (those in charge) supposedly like
everything exactly as it is.

~ BG


On Jun 26, 10:57*am, BradGuth wrote:
Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
cost as one CoRoT.

The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.

TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg1000 kg should have
no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
system. *With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.

Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
gyros could fail at most any time. *A decade worth of CCD improvements
and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
*http://trace.lmsal.com/
*http://directory.eoportal.org/presen...129/10301.html

Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
as little as $1000/kg.
*http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/...ssia/shtil.htm

How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
costing us? *Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
observing instrument?
*http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_s...it_English.pdf

Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
*http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?t...ort_estimation

It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
observatory R&D plus its mission cost *been mentioned. *If it can’t
even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
what good is it?

I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
170 million euros ($225M). *That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
decade budget for gathering and publishing its data. *A TRACEe3 could
be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
cent per human population. *TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
B.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”