Affordable local missions that’ll return investment

On Jan 7, 2:21*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Jan 4, 6:10*am, Brad Guth wrote:


On Dec 29 2008, 11:05*am, BradGuth wrote:

Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. *Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon and Venus are each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively cool Venus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of the Venus surface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. *However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. *It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Now that we have almost nothing objective that can be replicated of
our Apollo era R&D to go by, and yet our somewhat dysfunctional NASA
pretty much has to stick within the boundaries set by their own Apollo
legacy, which means our DARPA and NASA has to live within the
technological specs of whatever had supposedly worked 100% exactly
according to plan as of 4 decades ago. *Unfortunately, those rather
spendy engineered plans of supposed perfection and of whatever raw
talent and expertise are oddly nowhere to be found, and all of
subsequent science as to the lunar surface environment hasn’t been
getting reported as being anything like what existed as of the Apollo
era. *In fact, the solar UV and secondary recoil photons are so bad
that the ISRO TC(terrain camera) is entirely excluding everything
below 400 nm.

They certainly can’t suddenly incorporate powerful momentum reaction
wheels within their next fleet of fly-by-rocket landers, or modify
those perfection thrusters, moonsuits, rover batteries and nifty
tires, all of which need to be so entirely capable as is. *Even their
mission simulators can’t hardly be improved upon without causing some
risk of historical revision in the form of casting legitimate doubts
as to what had previously taken place.

This doesn’t mean that we can’t accomplish our physically dark as coal
Selene/moon that’s naked and thus unavoidably reactive, in places tens
of meters deep in toxic dust that’s crystal dry and highly
electrostatic charged, plus always giving off all sorts of secondary/
recoil photons from IR to gamma, while also saturated in that sparse
but testy atmosphere of sodium, plus nearest the surface and/or within
that loose crystal dry soil is offering the likes of radon gas from
local radium.

The passing debris of 72 km/s and 8 cm3, thereby some of which
having sufficient measurable size and mass that’ll always have a free
and gravity assisted shot at zooming past or impacting most everything
in sight, of which for the most part can’t be all that easily detected
until it’s too late or much less from the secondary shards via
whatever interacts with the surface or any of our mission
infrastructure, is simply an accepted mission risk that has to be
lived within this somewhat fatal attraction that our naked moon
represents (supposedly nothing significant interacted with any of our
Apollo missions while going to/from, in orbit or while on the
surface). *However, getting our brave souls safely onto that surface
and as soon as possible underground seems imperative, although robust
and rad-hard robotics shouldn’t have much problem as long as the
electrostatic charged dust isn’t too soot like fluffy, too deep, or
attracted into any of their critical moving parts, instrument ports
and optics (perhaps a portable magnetosphere or the artificial
electron cloud similar to Po210 is the answer).

Hopefully the BHO intended merger of our DARPA, NASA and DoD (aka
Pentagon) will evolve itself into a working group of public funded
talent, expertise and proven technology, rather than a highly spiteful
collection of Mafia cabals always trying to stab one another in the
back as they each fight tooth and nail over each and every spare
dollar of public loot, of which so happens to be in short supply.

The usual external killer-bee like swarm of freelance infowar tactics
for topic/author stalking and systematic bashing by those having a
deeply invested interest in sustaining their mainstream status quo,
are of course devoutly committed without any speck of remorse or
considerations towards whatever consequences of their actions. *So,
perhaps not even BHO as our new Chief Commander can be successful at
consolidating agencies unless trusted by those currently in charge and
willing to pay the ultimate price for keeping things of the past,
present and future just as they are.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Attention all 5th graders; *Apparently our physically dark as coal
Selene/moon and the geothermally made hot planet of Venus are taboo,
as in need-to-know or off-limits and/or nondisclosure rated.

Just look at all the Google Groups (aka Usenet/newsgroup) clown soup
of silly and bogus topics getting piled on top of everything else.
It's a bloody wonder anyone can breath with so many brown-nosed clowns
piled on top, and their having a wild food fight at that.

*~ BG

Take to any mention of ETs and/or applied physics on behalf of some
other planet or moon is an automatic kill or death wish for a given
topic. It seems folks that claim being open minded and favoring UFOs
and existence of other complex and intelligent life outside of Earth
are just pretenders, or gutless minions of their own mainstream status
quo.

Apparently observationology works just perfectly fine and dandy on
behalf of anything NASA/Apollo and by way of unfiltered Kodak film,
but otherwise the exact same deductive logic and image interpretations
of anything off-world that's the least bit ET worthy somehow doesn't
count, especially banished or excluded if obtained via multi-look
radar imaging.

~ BG

On Dec 29 2008, 11:05*am, BradGuth wrote:
Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. *Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon andVenusare each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively coolVenus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of theVenussurface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. *However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. *It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

*~ BradGuthBrad_Guth Brad.GuthBradGuth BG / “GuthUsenet”

Odd that so much of published astronomy and most science gathering via
satellites and probes is based upon deductive observationology, and
yet our own Selene/moon and the planet Venus are continually excluded
or kept as need-to-know. Even public funded JAXA and ISRO have been
slow and highly selective at sharing their archives of images
(excluding the vast bulk of image data and hardly much of anything
else), perhaps because our NASA had something to do with each of their
Selene missions.

~ BG

In spite of politics and religion that’s directly and/or indirectly
involved throughout most everything, it seems our Selene/moon and
Venus are each relatively local destinations (any closer and they’d be
terrestrial), and compared to most of everything else are each
affordably doable, as well as for such missions operating within
existing technology and at reasonable risk. Each of these missions
should also be extensively robotic and take advantage of their
respective gateways, meaning the somewhat double IR toasty and
irradiated Earth-Moon L1, and the otherwise relatively cool Venus L2,
so that future missions can safely and more efficiently accommodate
humans.

As a secondary bonus, the established platforms or outpost/gateway of
either Selene L1 and Venus L2 can each be utilized directly for Earth
science, plus a multitude of other space related science and travels
to places other than our Selene/moon or Venus.

The final conquest of our Selene/moon or that of the geothermally
toasty Venus surface would demand a great deal of initial public
funding. However, once accomplished is when the payback starts to
show what good teamwork and talent can deliver, as valuable materials
and raw elements are extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Not to be excluding terrestrial needs or like ignoring there’s hardly
any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already borrowed from past
decades and otherwise being taken from deep into future generations of
utter incompetence, greed and SEC approved Madoff Ponzism. Whereas
unlike our inapt/corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and/or benefit the failed and corrupted upper most
0.1%, instead these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of highly
affordable off-world explorations are each perfectly capable of paying
their own way, and then some. The only thing missing is sufficient
leadership and a moral agenda that’s within our grasp and affordable.

However, now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author
stalking and bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and
otherwise divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar
topics to the fullest extent by way of excluding evidence or merely
via banishment. This policy usually doesn’t take long, so perhaps you
can safely hold your breath, but also take notice how I’m apparently
the one and only expertise of observationology that’s willing to share
and share alike.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jan 15, 6:36*am, BradGuth wrote:
In spite of politics and religion that’s directly and/or indirectly
involved throughout most everything, it seems our Selene/moon and
Venus are each relatively local destinations (any closer and they’d be
terrestrial), and compared to most of everything else are each
affordably doable, as well as for such missions operating within
existing technology and at reasonable risk. *Each of these missions
should also be extensively robotic and take advantage of their
respective gateways, meaning the somewhat double IR toasty and
irradiated Earth-Moon L1, and the otherwise relatively cool Venus L2,
so that future missions can safely and more efficiently accommodate
humans.

As a secondary bonus, the established platforms or outpost/gateway of
either Selene L1 and Venus L2 can each be utilized directly for Earth
science, plus a multitude of other space related science and travels
to places other than our Selene/moon or Venus.

The final conquest of our Selene/moon or that of the geothermally
toasty Venus surface would demand a great deal of initial public
funding. *However, once accomplished is when the payback starts to
show what good teamwork and talent can deliver, as valuable materials
and raw elements are extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Not to be excluding terrestrial needs or like ignoring there’s hardly
any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already borrowed from past
decades and otherwise being taken from deep into future generations of
utter incompetence, greed and SEC approved Madoff Ponzism. *Whereas
unlike our inapt/corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and/or benefit the failed and corrupted upper most
0.1%, instead these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of highly
affordable off-world explorations are each perfectly capable of paying
their own way, and then some. *The only thing missing is sufficient
leadership and a moral agenda that’s within our grasp and affordable.

However, now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author
stalking and bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and
otherwise divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar
topics to the fullest extent by way of excluding evidence or merely
via banishment. *This policy usually doesn’t take long, so perhaps you
can safely hold your breath, but also take notice how I’m apparently
the one and only expertise of observationology that’s willing to share
and share alike.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”


At the time and shortly after this Magellan mission of our mapping
Venus in such detail, there was no extra funding or mandate for
identifying anything the least bit artificial or ET worthy. Instead,
just terrain issues were getting all the attention.

Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/th...humbnails.html

PhotoZoom, PhotoCleaner or even PhotoShop is good enough. Now, you
can either work the entire image at increased resolution, or it's best
to crop out 10% of the following GIF file (roughly up a third and
center) and either convert it to monochrome (image modegrayscale),
and/or save as is in the uncompressed (maximum) JPG format, because
your version of PhotoShop may not offer filers in the GIF color format
(there really is no color in radar imaging anyway).

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

Now enlarge that little monochrome GIF or JPG 1:1 portion of 225 m/
pixel, by resampling/enlarging at 5x (changing the 72 dpi to 360 dpi).

Now apply the sharpen filter "unsharp mask" (150, 3, 0 or trial and
error it until you get whatever seems clear but not so that it's over-
done).

Take your sweet time looking this area over, zoom in and out and then
perhaps you tell me, out of all the expected hot rock and perfectly
natural looking terrain, what else do you see?

That's a wee bit simplified process of digital image enlarging, but it
takes practice in order to master some of the PhotoShop finer points
of enlarging and filtering in order to get the best undistorted
results, all of which can be reversed and redone as often as you like,
because the original 225 m/pixel composite image is always available.

The good news here is that there’s some kind of other intelligent life
existing/coexisting on Venus. However, perhaps the bad news is, they
could be a whole lot smarter than yourself.

~ BG

On Dec 29 2008, 11:05*am, BradGuth wrote:
Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. *Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon and Venus are each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively cool Venus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of the Venus surface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. *However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. *It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Perhaps we should have had Madoff in charge of our NASA, as well as
our crack Ponzi certified SEC in charge of our GAO, as there certainly
wouldn't have been any shortage of private and public loot to blow.
We'd have spendy missions going most every which way but lose (so to
speak), including our Selene and utilizing its L1, as well as having
the planet Venus fully under our control.

At the time and shortly after this Magellan mission mapping Venus in
such detail, there was no extra funding or mandate for identifying
anything the least bit artificial or ET worthy. Instead, just terrain
issues were getting all the attention.

Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/th...humbnails.html

PhotoZoom, PhotoCleaner or even PhotoShop is good enough. Now, you
can either work the entire image at increased resolution, or it's best
to crop out 10% of the following GIF file (roughly up a third and
center) and either convert it to monochrome (image modegrayscale),
and/or save as is in the uncompressed (maximum) JPG format, because
your version of PhotoShop may not offer filers in the GIF color format
(there really is no color in radar imaging anyway).

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

Now enlarge that little monochrome GIF or JPEG 1:1 portion of 225 m/
pixel, by resampling/enlarging at 5x (change the 72 dpi to 360 dpi).

Now apply the sharpen filter "unsharp mask" (150, 3, 0 or trial and
error it until you get whatever seems clear but not so that it's over-
done).

Take your sweet time looking this area over, zoom in and out and then
perhaps you tell me, out of all the expected hot rock and perfectly
natural looking terrain, what else do you see?

That's a wee bit simplified process of digital image enlarging, but it
takes practice in order to master some of the PhotoShop finer points
of enlarging and filtering in order to get the best undistorted
results, all of which can be reversed and redone as often as you like,
because the original 225 m/pixel composite image is always available.

The good news here is that there’s some kind of other intelligent life
existing/coexisting on Venus. However, perhaps the bad news is, they
could be a whole lot smarter than yourself, or a 5th grader.

~ BG

One more time: Perhaps we should have had Madoff put in charge of
funding our NASA, as well as our crack Ponzi certified SEC in charge
of our GAO, in as much as there certainly wouldn't have been any
shortage of private and public loot to blow. Along with having
William Mook in charge, we'd have spendy missions going most every
which way but lose (so to speak), including our Selene and utilizing
its L1, as well as having the planet Venus fully under our control.

At the time and shortly after this Magellan mission mapping Venus in
such detail, there was no extra funding or mandate for identifying
anything the least bit artificial or ET worthy. Instead, just terrain
issues were getting all the attention.

Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/th...humbnails.html

PhotoZoom, PhotoCleaner or even PhotoShop is good enough. Now, you
can either work the entire image at increased resolution, or it's best
to crop out 10% of the following GIF file (take roughly up a third and
center) and either convert it to monochrome (image modegrayscale),
and/or save as is in the uncompressed (maximum) JPG format, because
your version of PhotoShop may not offer filers in the GIF color format
(there really is no color in radar imaging anyway).

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif

Now enlarge that little monochrome GIF or JPEG 1:1 portion of 225 m/
pixel, by resampling/enlarging at 5x (change 72 dpi to 360 dpi).

If using PhotoShop, apply the sharpen filter "unsharp mask" (150, 3,
0 or trial and error it until you get whatever seems clear but not so
that it's over-done).

Take your sweet time looking this extremely interesting area over,
zoom in and out and then perhaps you tell me, out of all the expected
hot rock and perfectly natural looking terrain that’s supposed to be
unlivable, what else do you see?

That's a wee bit simplified process of digital image enlarging, but it
takes practice in order to master some of the PhotoShop finer points
of enlarging and filtering in order to get the best undistorted
results, all of which can be reversed and redone as often as you like,
because the original 225 m/pixel composite image is always available.

The good news here, is that there’s some kind of other intelligent
life existing/coexisting on Venus. However, perhaps the bad news is,
they could be a whole lot smarter than yourself or most any other 5th
grader.

~ BG

Venus, The Forbidden Planet / Brad Guth

The mainstream forbidden planet of Venus is not for those of us intent
upon going to such off-worldly places in the buff, and otherwise as
mainstream dumbfounded past the point of no return isn’t all that
advisable. You’ll need your deductive logic and wits about yourself,
and as always a degree of applied technology, but then we tend to do
that much right here on Earth whenever exploring terrestrial extremes
that are situated much above or below sea level, or while surviving
within other testy environments wherever it’s too hot, too cold, too
dry or too wet and otherwise too physically traumatic or toxic for our
frail DNA. We even use the OveGlove so that we don’t burn the frail
skin off our hands when cooking or doing other hot work, like glass
blowing and forming that’s much hotter than 735 K.

In the buff (meaning nude and without technology) there’s but 5% of
Earth’s surface area that’s year round humanly survivable, and with
seasonal migrations this might be pushed upwards of 10%, meaning that
90+% of Earth was never all that humanly survivable, and only made
worse yet as for going back in time.

In other words, to an advanced space traveling ET (eventually
including us humans), a wet and otherwise 90% unlivable planet such as
Earth would likely not have been on any short list. However, a
somewhat newish Venus as having been geologically active and otherwise
worthy of being mineralogy enticing, would likely be enormously
attractive.

All this recent mainstream media hype and attention that’s given to
the ongoing search and recent discoveries of viable life capable
exoplanets and eventually of their substantial moons, that by rights
should exist and thereby could possibly sustain complex DNA forms of
ET life, as for quite possibly offering something of sufficient
intelligence other than our familiar human species, is what seems more
than a little odd that Sirius-C of .05 M and of whatever substantial
moons as of yet unobserved has been continually excluded and otherwise
systematically banished, and otherwise especially weird when within
our solar system are perfectly viable IG (intelligent goldilocks)
alternatives that even for those of us frail and typically dumbfounded
humans could with some degree of applied technology make due as is.

Besides those perfectly interesting moons of Jupiter and Saturn that
by rights seem as though they should offer this ETIG hosting
potential, per se accommodating complex life as somewhat better off
than anything Mars has recently had to offer as of the past billion or
more years ago (not to mention nearly zero if any life as of today),
whereas it seems we still have the robust atmospheric environment and
geologically active planet of Venus to reconsider.

Venus is definitely on the upper toasty side of what’s intelligently
doable. Considering that Venus no longer has its moon for surface
crust morphing and subsequent tidal force contour/terrain shaping, it
is still far more geothermally alive and actively contributing to its
complex surface and robust atmosphere, is what gives this thermal
energy losing planet a likely 99+% fluid/molten interior, compared to
that of our 98.5% fluid interior that has been receiving the local
tidal radius force of 2e20 N/sec for holding onto our Selene/moon,
towards keeping our planet a little extra heated from the inside out.

Besides my observationology that’s interpreting many unnatural
features (meaning artificial and/or oddly rational intelligent
looking), what’s your subjective give or take on Venus?

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jan 22, 8:32*pm, BradGuth wrote:
Venus, The Forbidden Planet / Brad Guth

The mainstream forbidden planet of Venus is not for those of us intent
upon going to such off-worldly places in the buff, and otherwise as
mainstream dumbfounded past the point of no return isn’t all that
advisable. *You’ll need your deductive logic and wits about yourself,
and as always a degree of applied technology, but then we tend to do
that much right here on Earth whenever exploring terrestrial extremes
that are situated much above or below sea level, or while surviving
within other testy environments wherever it’s too hot, too cold, too
dry or too wet and otherwise too physically traumatic or toxic for our
frail DNA. *We even use the OveGlove so that we don’t burn the frail
skin off our hands when cooking or doing other hot work, like glass
blowing and forming that’s much hotter than 735 K.

In the buff (meaning nude and without technology) there’s but 5% of
Earth’s surface area that’s year round humanly survivable, and with
seasonal migrations this might be pushed upwards of 10%, meaning that
90+% of Earth was never all that humanly survivable, and only made
worse yet as for going back in time.

In other words, to an advanced space traveling ET (eventually
including us humans), a wet and otherwise 90% unlivable planet such as
Earth would likely not have been on any short list. *However, a
somewhat newish Venus as having been geologically active and otherwise
worthy of being mineralogy enticing, would likely be enormously
attractive.

All this recent mainstream media hype and attention that’s given to
the ongoing search and recent discoveries of viable life capable
exoplanets and eventually of their substantial moons, that by rights
should exist and thereby could possibly sustain complex DNA forms of
ET life, as for quite possibly offering something of sufficient
intelligence other than our familiar human species, is what seems more
than a little odd that Sirius-C of .05 M and of whatever substantial
moons as of yet unobserved has been continually excluded and otherwise
systematically banished, and otherwise especially weird when within
our solar system are perfectly viable IG (intelligent goldilocks)
alternatives that even for those of us frail and typically dumbfounded
humans could with some degree of applied technology make due as is.

Besides those perfectly interesting moons of Jupiter and Saturn that
by rights seem as though they should offer this ETIG hosting
potential, per se accommodating complex life as somewhat better off
than anything Mars has recently had to offer as of the past billion or
more years ago (not to mention nearly zero if any life as of today),
whereas it seems we still have the robust atmospheric environment and
geologically active planet of Venus to reconsider.

Venus is definitely on the upper toasty side of what’s intelligently
doable. *Considering that Venus no longer has its moon for surface
crust morphing and subsequent tidal force contour/terrain shaping, it
is still far more geothermally alive and actively contributing to its
complex surface and robust atmosphere, is what gives this thermal
energy losing planet a likely 99+% fluid/molten interior, compared to
that of our 98.5% fluid interior that has been receiving the local
tidal radius force of 2e20 N/sec for holding onto our Selene/moon,
towards keeping our planet a little extra heated from the inside out.

Besides my observationology that’s interpreting many unnatural
features (meaning artificial and/or oddly rational intelligent
looking), what’s your subjective give or take on Venus?

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

As hot and crazy as it may seem, apparently I’m not the only one that
has been taking a closer look-see at Venus, as having proposed methods
on behalf of our science instruments and even humans surviving Venus.
Clearly, wherever there’s a positive/constructive will, there’s a way
of getting safely to/from such a planet like Venus.

As of prior to my observationology having uncovered what deductively
looks so entirely ET artificial about Venus, it seems others during
the Magellan era and shortly thereafter have also been investing their
expertise, valuable time and otherwise limited resources towards
getting other Venus exploration missions underway. Figuring in delays
and the usual cost overruns, the VGNP at $25M plus whatever fly-by-
rocket method of delivery would have been by way of Mars exploration
standards, relatively dirt cheap. (in 2010 dollars we speaking of
perhaps $100M + delivery, or roughly the amount our SEC and Madoff
were capable of stealing per day, that of our FEMA failing to perform
per day, or what a few hours in Iraq [excluding global inflation] has
been costing us)

Venus Geophysical Network Pathfinder: A Discovery Workshop Mission
Proposal / Michael C. Malin

http://www.msss.com/venus/vgnp/vgnp.txt.html
“The Venus Geophysical Network Pathfinder (VGNP) mission proposes to
demonstrate, as a "proof-of-concept", the technology needed to emplace
a long-lived, global geophysical network on Venus.” (pay no attention
to the unusual substitution of the letter “o” in place of “u” and a
few other dictation/translation errors)

Unlike the infowar and clearly disinformation gauntlet of intellectual
terrorism that Usenet/newsgroups has by in large having continually
represented itself by way of having excluded evidence, this next set
of external pages shows us that not nearly as much about Venus has
been that dead horse or even such a insurmountable task, so to speak.

Solar System Exploration Strategic Road Map and Venus Exploration /
March 16, 2005
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/vexag/Venus_Roadmap.pdf

http://www.geology.smu.edu/~dpa-www/venus.html

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005AGUFM.P23E..06G

Venus facts and what-ifs, or perhaps mainstream don’t ask and don’t
tell.
Besides all of the usual public funded data and infomercial hype with
nifty eye-candy that we’re supposed to accept in shock and awe without
doubts, fear or remorse, there’s other viable interpretations about
our moon/Selene, Mars and Venus that might not be so downright
discouraging or nearly as insurmountable as you might think.

Where's that great all-American know how and wizardly physics
expertise hiding, and are we supposed to be afraid of the Zionist/Nazi
bogyman (aka rabbi whomever)?

There's sufficient observationology and deductive interpretations to
suggest other intelligent life has been existing/coexisting on Venus,
and for the most part your teachers, your parents, especially your
church and most all of their employers and government puppets have
been continually lying in order to keep this kind of information about
Venus covered up.

An Alternate View of Venus / by John Ackerman
http://www.firmament-chaos.com/papers/fvenuspaper.pdf
At least unlike the nearly stone-cold, easily irradiated and
biologically dead Mars, the far less than inert planet Venus has its
perfectly natural and more than abundant forms of renewable energy to
spare. Its geothermal active surface by rights shouldn’t be the least
bit short or deprived of any number of easily extracted raw elements
(including its continually venting of water), and thereby is most
likely getting mined for precious metals and rare elements.

You don’t even have to be half as smart as a 5th grade physics wizard
in order to appreciate what nifty sorts of renewable energy can be
easily derived from a given atmospheric density of 65 kg/m3, as having
such terrific buoyancy along with an unlimited supply of pressure
differential that’s worth 4+ bar(60 psi)/km, plus that near surface
thermal differential of 10 (18F)/km that’s not even specifically
including whatever a natural geothermal forced gas vent of seriously
scorching hot co2, S8 and h2o has to offer, much less of whatever a
nearby fluid arch or contours from various lava and magmatic/geo-
excreted or geoplastic flows of mostly thick silica muck should have
to offer.

With such a vibrant and renewable supply of local energy, plus having
an unlimited supply of mineral resources from a planet that’s losing
such a great deal of it’s core of thermal energy, what exactly isn’t
doable?

Is it a solar roasted to death greenhouse environment? (not actually,
unless you do not believe in the regular laws of physics and the best
available science)

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Dec 29 2008, 11:05*am, BradGuth wrote:
Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. *Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon and Venus are each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively cool Venus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of the Venus surface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. *However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. *It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Venus, The Forbidden Planet / Brad Guth

The mainstream forbidden planet of Venus is not for those of us intent
upon going to such off-worldly places in the buff, and otherwise as
mainstream dumbfounded past the point of no return isn’t all that
advisable. You’ll need your deductive logic and wits about yourself,
and as always a degree of applied technology, but then we tend to do
that much right here on Earth whenever exploring terrestrial extremes
that are situated much above or below sea level, or while surviving
within other testy environments wherever it’s too hot, too cold, too
dry or too wet and otherwise too physically traumatic or toxic for our
frail DNA. We even use the OveGlove so that we don’t burn the frail
skin off our hands when cooking or doing other hot kinds of work, like
glass blowing and forming that’s certainly much hotter than 735 K.

Surviving in the buff (meaning nude and without technology) there’s
but 5% of Earth’s surface area that’s year round humanly survivable,
and with seasonal migrations this might be pushed upwards of 10%,
meaning that 90+% of Earth was never all that humanly survivable, and
only made a whole lot worse yet as for going back in time.

In other words, to an advanced space traveling ET (eventually
including us humans), a wet and otherwise 90+% unlivable planet such
as Earth would likely not lokely have been on any short list.
However, a somewhat newish Venus as having been geologically active
and otherwise worthy of its mineralogy enticing, would likely be
enormously attractive, especially since 95+% of it’s surface could be
lived upon by those of us having a 5th grade or better education.

All this recent mainstream media hype and attention that’s given to
the ongoing search and recent discoveries of viable life capable
exoplanets, and eventually of their substantial moons, that by rights
should exist and thereby could possibly sustain complex DNA forms of
ET life, as for quite possibly offering something of sufficient
intelligence other than our familiar human species, is what seems more
than a little odd that Sirius-C of .06 solar mass and of whatever
substantial moons as of yet unobserved has been continually mainstream
excluded and otherwise systematically banished, and otherwise
especially weird when within our solar system are perfectly viable IG
(intelligent goldilocks) alternatives that even for those of us frail
and typically dumbfounded humans could with some degree of applied
technology make due as is.

Besides those perfectly interesting moons of Jupiter and Saturn that
by rights seem as though they should offer this ETIG hosting
potential, per se accommodating complex life as somewhat a whole lot
better off than anything Mars has recently had to offer as of the past
billion or more years ago (not to mention nearly zero if any life as
of today), whereas it seems we still have the robust atmospheric
environment and geologically active planet of Venus to reconsider.

Venus is definitely on the upper toasty side of what’s intelligently
doable. Considering that Venus no longer has its moon for surface
crust morphing and subsequent tidal force contour/terrain shaping,
still far more geothermally alive and actively contributing to its
complex surface and robust atmosphere, is what gives this thermal
energy losing planet a likely 99+% fluid/molten interior, compared to
that of our 98.5% fluid interior that has been receiving the local
tidal radius force of 2e20 N/sec as for holding onto our Selene/moon,
towards keeping our planet a little extra heated from the inside out.

Besides my deductive observationology that’s interpreting many
unnatural features (meaning artificial and/or oddly rational
intelligent looking), what’s your subjective give or take on Venus?

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jan 29, 6:15*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Dec 29 2008, 11:05*am, BradGuth wrote:



Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. *Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon and Venus are each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively cool Venus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of the Venus surface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. *However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. *It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Venus, The Forbidden Planet / Brad Guth

The mainstream forbidden planet of Venus is not for those of us intent
upon going to such off-worldly places in the buff, and otherwise as
mainstream dumbfounded past the point of no return isn’t all that
advisable. *You’ll need your deductive logic and wits about yourself,
and as always a degree of applied technology, but then we tend to do
that much right here on Earth whenever exploring terrestrial extremes
that are situated much above or below sea level, or while surviving
within other testy environments wherever it’s too hot, too cold, too
dry or too wet and otherwise too physically traumatic or toxic for our
frail DNA. *We even use the OveGlove so that we don’t burn the frail
skin off our hands when cooking or doing other hot kinds of work, like
glass blowing and forming that’s certainly much hotter than 735 K.

Surviving in the buff (meaning nude and without technology) there’s
but 5% of Earth’s surface area that’s year round humanly survivable,
and with seasonal migrations this might be pushed upwards of 10%,
meaning that 90+% of Earth was never all that humanly survivable, and
only made a whole lot worse yet as for going back in time.

In other words, to an advanced space traveling ET (eventually
including us humans), a wet and otherwise 90+% unlivable planet such
as Earth would likely not lokely have been on any short list.
However, a somewhat newish Venus as having been geologically active
and otherwise worthy of its mineralogy enticing, would likely be
enormously attractive, especially since 95+% of it’s surface could be
lived upon by those of us having a 5th grade or better education.

All this recent mainstream media hype and attention that’s given to
the ongoing search and recent discoveries of viable life capable
exoplanets, and eventually of their substantial moons, that by rights
should exist and thereby could possibly sustain complex DNA forms of
ET life, as for quite possibly offering something of sufficient
intelligence other than our familiar human species, is what seems more
than a little odd that Sirius-C of .06 solar mass and of whatever
substantial moons as of yet unobserved has been continually mainstream
excluded and otherwise systematically banished, and otherwise
especially weird when within our solar system are perfectly viable IG
(intelligent goldilocks) alternatives that even for those of us frail
and typically dumbfounded humans could with some degree of applied
technology make due as is.

Besides those perfectly interesting moons of Jupiter and Saturn that
by rights seem as though they should offer this ETIG hosting
potential, per se accommodating complex life as somewhat a whole lot
better off than anything Mars has recently had to offer as of the past
billion or more years ago (not to mention nearly zero if any life as
of today), whereas it seems we still have the robust atmospheric
environment and geologically active planet of Venus to reconsider.

Venus is definitely on the upper toasty side of what’s intelligently
doable. *Considering that Venus no longer has its moon for surface
crust morphing and subsequent tidal force contour/terrain shaping,
still far more geothermally alive and actively contributing to its
complex surface and robust atmosphere, is what gives this thermal
energy losing planet a likely 99+% fluid/molten interior, compared to
that of our 98.5% fluid interior that has been receiving the local
tidal radius force of 2e20 N/sec as for holding onto our Selene/moon,
towards keeping our planet a little extra heated from the inside out.

Besides my deductive observationology that’s interpreting many
unnatural features (meaning artificial and/or oddly rational
intelligent looking), what’s your subjective give or take on Venus?

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

As hot and crazy as it may seem, apparently I’m not the only one that
has been taking a closer look-see at Venus, as having proposed methods
on behalf of our science instruments and even humans surviving Venus.
Clearly, wherever there’s a positive/constructive will, there’s a way
of getting safely to/from such a planet like Venus.

As of prior to my observationology having uncovered what deductively
looks so entirely ET artificial about Venus, it seems others during
the Magellan era and shortly thereafter have also been investing their
expertise, valuable time and otherwise limited resources towards
getting other Venus exploration missions underway. Figuring in delays
and the usual cost overruns, the VGNP at $25M plus whatever fly-by-
rocket method of delivery would have been by way of Mars exploration
standards, relatively dirt cheap. (in 2010 dollars we speaking of
perhaps $100M + delivery, or roughly the amount our SEC and Madoff
were capable of stealing per day, that of our FEMA failing to perform
per day, or what a few hours in Iraq [excluding global inflation] has
been costing us)

Venus Geophysical Network Pathfinder: A Discovery Workshop Mission
Proposal / Michael C. Malin

http://www.msss.com/venus/vgnp/vgnp.txt.html
“The Venus Geophysical Network Pathfinder (VGNP) mission proposes to
demonstrate, as a "proof-of-concept", the technology needed to emplace
a long-lived, global geophysical network on Venus.” (pay no attention
to the unusual substitution of the letter “o” in place of “u” and a
few other dictation/translation errors)

Unlike the infowar and clearly disinformation gauntlet of intellectual
terrorism that Usenet/newsgroups has by in large having continually
represented itself by way of having excluded evidence, this next set
of external pages shows us that not nearly as much about Venus has
been that dead horse or even such a insurmountable task, so to speak.

Solar System Exploration Strategic Road Map and Venus Exploration /
March 16, 2005
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/vexag/Venus_Roadmap.pdf

http://www.geology.smu.edu/~dpa-www/venus.html

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005AGUFM.P23E..06G

Venus facts and what-ifs, or perhaps mainstream don’t ask and don’t
tell.
Besides all of the usual public funded data and infomercial hype with
nifty eye-candy that we’re supposed to accept in shock and awe without
doubts, fear or remorse, there’s other viable interpretations about
our moon/Selene, Mars and Venus that might not be so downright
discouraging or nearly as insurmountable as you might think.

Where's that great all-American know how and wizardly physics
expertise hiding, and are we supposed to be afraid of the Zionist/Nazi
bogyman (aka rabbi whomever)?

There's sufficient observationology and deductive interpretations to
suggest other intelligent life has been existing/coexisting on Venus,
and for the most part your teachers, your parents, especially your
church and most all of their employers and government puppets have
been continually lying in order to keep this kind of information about
Venus covered up.

An Alternate View of Venus / by John Ackerman
http://www.firmament-chaos.com/papers/fvenuspaper.pdf
At least unlike the nearly stone-cold, easily irradiated and
biologically dead Mars, the far less than inert planet Venus has its
perfectly natural and more than abundant forms of renewable energy to
spare. Its geothermal active surface by rights shouldn’t be the least
bit short or deprived of any number of easily extracted raw elements
(including its continually venting of water), and thereby is most
likely getting mined for precious metals and rare elements.

You don’t even have to be half as smart as a 5th grade physics wizard
in order to appreciate what nifty sorts of renewable energy can be
easily derived from a given atmospheric density of 65 kg/m3, as having
such terrific buoyancy along with an unlimited supply of pressure
differential that’s worth 4+ bar(60 psi)/km, plus that near surface
thermal differential of 10 (18F)/km that’s not even specifically
including whatever a natural geothermal forced gas vent of seriously
scorching hot co2, S8 and h2o has to offer, much less of whatever a
nearby fluid arch or contours from various lava and magmatic/geo-
excreted or geoplastic flows of mostly thick silica muck should have
to offer.

With such a vibrant and renewable supply of local energy, plus having
an unlimited supply of mineral resources from a planet that’s losing
such a great deal of it’s core of thermal energy, what exactly isn’t
doable?

Is it a solar roasted to death greenhouse environment? (not actually,
unless you do not believe in the regular laws of physics and the best
available science)

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”