Big bang and black hole.

Panius Why does a singularity have to have mass? TreBert

On Oct 19, 4:16 pm, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
Panius Why does a singularity have to have mass? TreBert

It doesn't have to have mass, any more so than a barycenter has mass.

The force of attraction via electrostatic energy also doesn't involve
mass, other than electrons, protons plus a little of whatever else is
pulling or perhaps pushing on one another.

~ BG

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Panius Why does a singularity have to have mass? TreBert

Well, TreBert, it does depend upon what kind of
singularity we talk about...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity

(Most of those don't have mass.)

The one talked about here in a.a is usually the
"gravitational" singularity. And that is defined
as...

"a point in spacetime in which gravitational
forces cause matter to have an infinite density
and zero volume."

And "infinite density" tells me that a singularity
of this type must have mass, "infinite" mass.
It is this infinite mass that theoretically became
the universe after the "Big Bang" took place out
of just such a singularity. And frankly, that idea
sucks rocks, IMHO. The thought of a singularity
being the central point of origin of the Universe
makes me gag.

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth

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Emily Dickinson

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On Oct 20, 10:19 am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
Painius A singularity is something It is not nothing. It is as far as
are thinking can go into the mystery of creation of universes. If not we
have to say every thing came out of nothing,or was created by Gods
TreBert

Einstein doesn't like notions of getting something from nothing, nor
do I.

Not that God like ETs to the mere dumbfounded human species wasn't
perfectly capable of pulling off some rather impressive stunts.

Problem is, so often yourself and most others only think of the truly
intelligent life as representing humanoid forms of other life. How
narrow mindset and otherwise pathetic.

Seems if it's of too much gravity, of too much or too little pressure,
not to mention if it's too cold, too hot, too dry or even too wet of
an ET environment just doesn't count, regardless of the physics and
best available science proving otherwise.

~ BG

Sigh! The same answer, BradBoi! lmfjao!

Damn close to ZERO!

Saul Levy


On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:13:26 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
wrote:

The force of electrostatic attraction is even stronger than gravity.

Try to imagine how many teraVolts our Selene/moon is charged up with.

~ BG

BG There was no mass created for 300,000 years after the big bang. It
was all photons. It took cooling down to have mass particles to form
TreBert

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Painius A singularity is something It is not nothing. It is as far as
are thinking can go into the mystery of creation of universes.

Then we have to try harder, Bert, we have to think
more deeply.

If not we
have to say every thing came out of nothing,or was created by Gods
TreBert

To me, to say that the Universe arose from the all-
of-a-sudden expansion of a singularity is the exact
same thing as, ". . . and God said, 'Let there be
LIGHT!'"

The only difference between cosmology and religion
is that they call the creator by different names...

For example, the Bible:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth.

"And the earth was without form, and void; and
darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the
Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

"And God said, "Let there be light": and there was
light."
Book of Genesis, ch. 1, vs. 1-3

The Big Bang cosmology version indicates a similar
story:

In the beginning there was "nothing", no time, no
space. There was only a "continuum", an undefined
"nothingness".

The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP) allows
for some kind of disturbance in the continuum. This
mystery disturbance results in the Big Bang, an
immediate and violent expansion of a singularity.

The cosmology story is virtually the same as the
Bible one. The only difference is that cosmologists
call God, "the HUP"!

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth

P.S.: "We turn not older with years, but newer
every day."
Emily Dickinson

P.P.S.: http://yummycake.secretsgolden.com
http://garden-of-ebooks.blogspot.com
http://painellsworth.net

On Oct 21, 8:34*am, "Painius" wrote:
"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote...

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Painius *A singularity is something It is not nothing. It is as far as
are thinking can go into the mystery of creation of universes.

Then we have to try harder, Bert, we have to think
more deeply.

If not we
have to say every thing came out of nothing,or was created by Gods
TreBert

To me, to say that the Universe arose from the all-
of-a-sudden expansion of a singularity is the exact
same thing as, ". . . and God said, 'Let there be
LIGHT!'"

The only difference between cosmology and religion
is that they call the creator by different names...

For example, the Bible:

*"In the beginning God created the heaven and the
*earth.

*"And the earth was without form, and void; and
*darkness was upon the face of the deep. *And the
*Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

*"And God said, "Let there be light": and there was
*light."
* * * * * * * * * * * * Book of Genesis, ch. 1, vs. 1-3

The Big Bang cosmology version indicates a similar
story:

*In the beginning there was "nothing", no time, no
*space. There was only a "continuum", an undefined
*"nothingness".

*The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP) allows
*for some kind of disturbance in the continuum. This
*mystery disturbance results in the Big Bang, an
*immediate and violent expansion of a singularity.

The cosmology story is virtually the same as the
Bible one. *The only difference is that cosmologists
call God, "the HUP"!

happy days and...
* *starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth


Thank you Paine for unifying cosmology and the Bible.

Double-A

Double A There is a big difference between the bible and BB Bible is
the final truth,and BB is a theory that is still willing to search for
the truth. Bible preachers gave up thinking and as they quote the
bible they are brain washed out parrots. TreBert

Painius fails to understand two things:
1. It's 45 giga light years to the horizon ― Big ****in' Deal ― not !
2. What's beyond the horizon is metaphysics, not science.

There's absolutely nothing special about what happened
13.7 gig years ago, at place that's currently 45 giga light years way.
I see absolutely no relationship between that and a creation myth.