Yay. In trouble with ITAR...

Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
Oh I don't know. When one day he's claiming executive privilege and the
next he's claiming the VP's office isn't part of the executive branch, does
make you wonder. (I note since the threat of defunding his office was made
he hasn't really tried to force that particular claim. :-)


Hasn't produced a list of those classified documents yet either.
I'm still snickering about Alberto Gonzales' sworn testimony, which held
up for around...what was it? 24 hours this time?
Next time around, I imagine it will collapse right while he's being
questioned:

"Mr. Attorney General, what is the weather at the moment?"
"Clear blue skies."
"Then why are you carrying a umbrella?"
"Because it's raining."
"The sky is blue, and yet it's raining?"
"Yes."
"How can that be?"
"I don't know."
"Did someone tell you it was clear today instead of raining?"
"I can't say."
"Did you talk to anyone about the weather today?"
"If I did, it certainly wasn't about whether it was raining."
"What did you talk about in regards to the weather then?"
"Something else, but not rain."
"What exactly?"
"Something classified." :-P

Pat

Could someone who knows about ITAR give us a quick tutorial on what
the enforcement procedures are?

Assuming (which I think unlikely given that this has now gotten out
into the public realm) the guy who called Scott decides to report a
possible violation back to the State Department, probably through NASA
channels, what happens next? Obviously State has to decide whether
the report has merit -- but if they do, can they levy fines, send in
SWAT teams etc. on their own or do they have to persuade DHS or DOJ to
actually apply the muscle?

This assumes, of course, that the preferred extralegal methods
(threats to employment and livelihood, typically) are not available
and that some sort of legal route would have to be used.

Scott Ferrin wrote:

Uh yeah. Which is why I was able to download a 330 page writeup on
Peacekeeper complete with drawings of many deployment schemes studied,
another one on HiBEX and LoADS (ABM systems) and so forth. All from
the Defense Technical Information Center. So where's the rational of
hounding someone about having civilian stuff out there for download
when all the while you (the government that is) have all this MILITARY
stuff out there for the taking?


I guess if you wanted to build a F-1 engined super ICBM...
It never occurred to me before, but I wonder if this is why Rusty
Barton's ballistic missile websites vanished from the web?


Pat

wrote:

This assumes, of course, that the preferred extralegal methods
(threats to employment and livelihood, typically) are not available...



Heh. Given that the document/drawing biz, along with eAPR and my model
biz, *are* my sole sources of income.... they would either have an
incredibly easy time of damaging my employment, or incredibly hard. They
could try to talk my boss into bitchslapping me, but since I *am* my
boss....



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On Jul 28, 1:49 pm, Scott Lowther
wrote:

Heh. Given that the document/drawing biz, along with eAPR and my model
biz, *are* my sole sources of income.... they would either have an
incredibly easy time of damaging my employment, or incredibly hard. They
could try to talk my boss into bitchslapping me, but since I *am* my
boss....

I've watched things like this for some while, and I think that things
outside the traditional coercible employer/employee paradigm are kind
of head-exploding for people in authoritarian positions. And I doubt
that a State Dept. or DoJ lawyer would come close to pursuing your
case if it got that far -- which it likely won't.

But please do keep us informed if anything further comes of this.

wrote:


And I doubt
that a State Dept. or DoJ lawyer would come close to pursuing your
case if it got that far -- which it likely won't.



Never under-estiamte the willingness of someone to try to make a name
for himself or to meet soem sort of quota.

But please do keep us informed if anything further comes of this.



Well, if I suddenly stop posting and my website vanishes like a fart in
the wind... that'll be a sign.

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wrote:
Assuming (which I think unlikely given that this has now gotten out
into the public realm) the guy who called Scott decides to report a
possible violation back to the State Department, probably through NASA
channels, what happens next?

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...4965357213.jpg

Pat :-)

Why support Scott Loather when you can get the same info from Mark
Wade's site, plus in the book about the Saturn 5, the Saturn 5's
payload guide is right there in black and white. Plus go to the
library and scour back issues of AWST between 1965 qnd 1966

Pat

wrote:
But please do keep us informed if anything further comes of this.


I'm sure he'll tap out messages to us in Morse Code on the cell's
plumbing pipes. :-)

Pat

Pat Flannery wrote:

:
:
:Rand Simberg wrote:
: On Sat, 28 Jul 200
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: :Most of this seems to emanate from
: :Cheney's office, who I am becoming increasingly convinced is clinically
: :mentally unbalanced.
: :
:
: Any evidence for any part of that last claim? Or is it just your own
: mental imbalance from your own ideological hatreds?
:
:
: Got it in one.
:
:
: snip
:

I'll just note that your raving and the two cites you give don't seem
much connected.

:I don't know exactly what the founding fathers had in mind for the
ffice of the VP (neither did they for that matter; the whole office is
nly vaguely described in the Constitution) but something like a
:scheming Grand Vizier who is always trying to thwart the constantly
:evolving possible plans of Ali Baba to raise evil Djinn and overthrow
:the kingdom while the dim-witted Sultan wanders around the throne room
:and drools, it probably wasn't.
:

It only exists so that paranoid ideological haters like you have
something else to be delusional about.


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only stupid."
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