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tomcat,
Even if there's megatonnes of salty ice on the lunar surface, obtaining rocket fuel(s) from such salty moon ice, sucks big-time. The idea of refueling rockets on the Moon, or Mars, or some other planetary body sounds 'weird' to many. Weird isn't even in this big picture. In most cases, and/or at least, at first it'll take as much if not tonnes more applied energy as having to be contributed from terrestrial resources, or via even more spendy local solar energy conversions in order to have extracted those sorts of raw elements, and that's obviously of having first established such lunar infrastructure that's well before much of anything ever becomes usable as liquid rocket fuel (aka h2o2, LH2 and LO2). Therefore, no matters what, it'll always take something more in applied energy than whatever the subsequent rocket energy that'll supposedly be derived from such salty moon ice. And if time means anything, whereas the amount of time required for this initial process of having located and of subsequently extracting such raw elements under the most horrifically bad environmental conditions, whereas this alone is likely going to be what makes you quite dead long before having obtained the first few kg. Just the demands of our having to supply sufficient beer and pizza to your hard working crew that's getting hard-X-ray TBI, primary+secondary IR roasted and/or rather easily pulverised to death, whereas these factors alone are going to be somewhat astronomical. The last time I'd checked; energy in = energy out X %Eff -(beer, pizza and whatever body-bags), and that's besides having provided and/or established that extra/spare energy for accomplishing such processing in the first place. Therefore, I still strongly believe that you'll have to somehow manage to live long enough, or perhaps it really doesn't matter, or does it? Even applied solar energy as having been deployed by way of fly-by-rocket landers that have yet existed, and such having been made fully operational on the moon isn't going to come cheap nor without risk to the equipment as well as the DNA of whomever gets the short straws, especially if they're having to be established on the physically dark and nasty moon that's getting solar illuminated and roasted at 1.4 kw/m2 by day and otherwise so much safer but sub-frozen via earthshine. As you know, I've recently voted for the use of compact nuclear reactors, as the best auxiliary energy method that'll work sufficiently safe by day and really getting efficient by night. Of course, if having provided nuclear energy is what's doable (which I believe it is), then nuclear/He3 rocket thrusting seems perfectly doable as is without ever having to deal with processing any of that mineral rich and salty moon ice, that which can't hardly amount to all that much surface LH2 volume unless it's being extracted from whatever's sequestered deep within the moon, as within a salty brine. Of utilizing LL-1 and the Chinese CM/ISS that offers 1e9 m3 of usable interior makes for a much better fuel depot, that's physically safe and situated in the absolute most ideal orbital location, that's also best located for such refueled missions going off to wherever (including that of missions to/from our moon). I otherwise appreciate your basic understanding of instantaneous atom spin reversal regardless of the distance is in fact offering a perfectly good example of FTLS communications capability, if not also being gravitational photon related. Since photons can be artificially created that obviously weigh next to nothing, and of essentially a photon being a quantum-string like 2D form of representing zero volume, is more than suggesting upon what's potentially doable, that is if we only had half a brain that could think even a little outside the box. Unfortunately, that part about thinking outside the box eliminates at least 99.9% of Usenet. Thus we're down to perhaps one in a thousand souls as having been taking a look-see, as per actually having a brain that's worth squat, and of those few souls I'd say at most one in ten that review whatever Usenet has to offer are likely to contribute. Therefore, at best one in ten thousand isn't exactly very good odds, being like a fairly large university campus where there's but one messily student that's got the right stuff. No wonder Usenet isn't considered as a viable think-tank, at least not by the media, educational, physics or science realms, but rather thought of as an anti-think-tank that looks, sounds and smells exactly like the status quo infomercial-toilet of their ongoing damage-control with the usual butt-loads of skewed history, skewed physics, skewed science and subsequent disinformation. tomcat; Thank goodness there are still some out there that possess basic background knowledge, are able to see the 'cutting edge' of science and technology, and have the basic 'smarts' to understand it. We're talking of having too few of such folks that "possess basic background knowledge", and of those few individuals being way too far between, that are most likely smart enough to keeping their distance from this Usenet black hole of a cesspool like event horizon, especially since the vast majority of other folks can't even seem to tie their own shoe laces nor wipe their own butt without such personal efforts being mainstream moderated. What I'm thinking is, the likes of you and I need is to form a gang, and for that gang to start packing heat. The fact that your mindset can't seem to grasp upon what I perceive is of the higher and more affordable priority, isn't such a big nor insurmountable deal, just damn frustrating, especially since I've come to realize how the vast majority of folks like yourself have long been so badly snookered and thus somewhat dumbfounded about whatever's most easily obtainable, especially of what's situated so nearby in LL-1, or even of what has been intelligently cooking just fine and dandy on our nearest planet, that's nearly a NEO every 19 months when it cruises within 100 fold the distance of our moon. As for my having contributed such topics that are every bit as perfectly rational (whereas I'm usually the messenger that's asking far more questions than having all the correct answers), are somewhat the same as for why your Tomcat Spaceplane/Waverider is technically doable (at least along with involving a pair of those extremely powerful and reusable LRBs of h2o2/c3h4o or perhaps something that's even better than twice your SSME performance for accommodating the initial acceleration and push above the first 100 km, thus easily having eliminated 4 of the 7 SSMEs). - Brad Guth |
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![]() "Brad Guth" wrote in message oups.com... Not worth the time. That's too bad, especially since I so much like pushing those 'do NOT push' buttons, and I do seem to have more than my fair share of lose cannons. If that professor what being at all nasty, as such it's never too late for a little pay-back (even if he's dead and gone). - Brad Guth Mr. Guth.. As you're so smart, I'm sure you've heard the term "crossposting". However, you don't seem to have a clue on how to stop doing it! Spend your time researching the meaning of "crossposting" and send your results to someone who cares. In the mean time, please restrict your stuff to one newsgroup. (sorry that I crossposted this, but I can't tell what newsgroup this person considers "home") |
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![]() tomcat wrote: When it comes to Brad Guth, his post are far superior to most I encounter. You've got to be fukin' kidding! What newsgroups are you reading? "alt.schizophrenia.conspiracy"? :-D Pat |
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![]() Robert Juliano wrote: If you want me to believe that you served in the armed services as a pilot/aviator, please list: Name date of service entrance DEROS rank unit type of aircraft What a "dog pecker" is. Pat |
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Pat Flannery wrote:
Robert Juliano wrote: If you want me to believe that you served in the armed services as a pilot/aviator, please list: Name date of service entrance DEROS rank unit type of aircraft What a "dog pecker" is. Pat well said. Also: -what's the "meat ball" -why are "the front cannons" firing, when "the old man" passes by, such a big deal -name 3 ways to fix an A7 with 4 paper clips -what's the goat locker |
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Pat Flannery wrote:
tomcat wrote: When it comes to Brad Guth, his post are far superior to most I encounter. You've got to be fukin' kidding! What newsgroups are you reading? "alt.schizophrenia.conspiracy"? :-D Pat Maybe they post on alt.excessive.Drugs.hallucinations ? Bob |
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Jim Davis ) wrote:
: Eric Chomko wrote: : : Just out of curiousity, Eric, why do you think the professor : : from Wisconsin was involved with your troubles at Maryland? : : Because the dean and assistant dean stated so, when they had : me into their office to answer for my email to the professor. : This was no random thing. : What was the nature of the complaint against you, if not too : personal to discuss here? I don't doubt what they gave me was just. I basically told the prof to go and F himself in an email and he went off. It was abuse on my part I admit it, and I paid the price. Eric : Jim Davis |
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![]() "Pat Flannery" wrote in message ... tomcat wrote: When it comes to Brad Guth, his post are far superior to most I encounter. You've got to be fukin' kidding! What newsgroups are you reading? "alt.schizophrenia.conspiracy"? :-D He was referring to the fence posts he keeps walking into. Goth's posts are softer and squishier. |
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Eric Chomko,
As per usual, your incest denial is big-time in denial, so I'll not waste another round of lose cannon shots since your polluted ship of bigots-R-us is already sinking. After all, of no matters what goes terribly wrong, you're the one that thinks our government is nothing but good and wholesome, and that all other governments are bad (I believe that's exactly what Hitler had within his perverted mindset). "Pray tell. Why are you saucerheads so chummy with known racists like Brad Guth and Honest John?" Apparently sharing the truth and nothing but the truth that's related to physics, science and of history are of what folks here in Usenet naysay-land call being "racist", whereas as these same folks call our certified and/or bonafide LLPOF resident warlord(GW Bush) a born-again saint because he's killing off mostly Muslims, while otherwise keeping the cost of our global energy at it's maximum and global warming each of our butts to boot. - Brad Guth |
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![]() "Pat Flannery" wrote in message ... What a "dog pecker" is. Are you a turtle, sir? |
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