Sedna, space probes?, colonies? what's next?

(jjustwwondering) wrote in message om...
The US has more immigration than any other country.

Not *per capita*!

Nearly two in seven Australians are foreign-born,
nearly two in ten Canadians are - but
one in ten USA residents - and one in nine
residents of France.

A minor correction: I should have written:

|| one in nine [rather than ten] USA residents - and one in ten
|| [rather than nine] residents of France.

That is, according to the sources quoted in my posting.

Note, however, that many of France's immigrants come from
Moslem and African nations with fertility higher
than US immigration sources.

Dick Morris wrote in message ...
jjustwwondering wrote:
Deus ex machina?

Homo homini deus!

Human beings are net assets to each other: the
more people there are, the better it is for each of them.

Easter Island disproves that as a general rule.

Easter Island *confirms* it as a general rule.

The *smaller* that population got, the *more miserable*
it became, and the *less able* to cope.

It was small to begin with - only a few thousand -
and *isolated*. When it fell victim to some sudden
political crisis (as many civilizations do),
it failed to recover. as it became ever smaller, and as
it splintered into tiny hostile subpopulations.

These warring clans completed the ruin by destroying
both each other and the remaining productive resources
like palm trees.

Insufficient number of people, their isolation
from other people and the breakdown of their
cooperation made the EI situation hopeless.

A great illustration to the general rule
that (cooperating) people are assets to each other.

(Now, they are back to several thousands - and reasonably
happy...)

Small isolated tribes often perish completely -
and while the particular scenarios vary widely,
smallness itself is always an enabling cause. There's
safety in numbers - in more than one sense...

I don't think
cannibalism is the kind of thing you had in mind as far as human beings
being "assets".

See above. Cannibalism on Easter Island (ritual as elsewhere)
developed among the warring remnants of a *greatly reduced*
population. It was not a reaction to population being
*too large* - it never is.

Dick Morris wrote in message ...
jjustwwondering wrote:
Usable space, elbow room, is really a commodity like
any other, produced for people by people, in cooperation.
Therefore, *the more people the less crowding* - a seeming
paradox that has held true throughout all human history -
and there is no limit in sight.

Whether the end is in sight depends on the quality of your vision.

It does: myopic vision only perceives a limit where penetrating vision
sees
through it and beyond.

There are no more undiscovered lands to exploit. If people move from one
part of the world to another they reduce crowding at home but they
increase it wherever they go.

That does not matter much, since discovering new lands is only one of
the innumerable ways
in which people can reduce crowding, and do.

A dozen random examples out of a million:
(1) the Dutch have created land from the sea by means of dikes;
(2) doubling crop yields halves the need for arable land;
(3) intensive animal husbandry dispenses with pasture land;
(4) bar-reading devices at stores reduce crowding by making lines go
faster;
(5) advanced mining methods permit using up minimal surface area to
get at deposits deep underground.
(6) a two-story house uses the same surface twice over for living room
(and a thirty-story hotel uses it thirty times over);
(7) putting cables and water pipes underground saves surface area;
(8) cell phones reduce crowding at phone booths;
(9) google search reduces crowding at libraries;
(10) DVDs and VCRs reduce crowding at movie theaters
(11) a vehicle that moves twice as fast doubles the use of the road
area;
(12) but when one travels by air, or by sea, or telecommunicates, then
road area is not used at all.

The US has gotten dramatically more
crowded in the last 50 years, and that's no paradox.

Much *less* crowded, by any reasonable objective measure.

Home ownership is highest ever, there are more
rooms and more room per person; travel time
between two points is less; cars are more spacious,
and there are two or three of them per family; one can
see a movie or hear hi-fi music all alone, with no coughing
crowd around one; there are more TV channels to choose from -
and internet connection is *infinitely*
faster - because there was not any back then...

The direction of change becomes more obvious
if one compares conditions separated by a longer time interval.

See, for example,
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain

Henry Spencer wrote:

In article ,
Dick Morris wrote:
groan I have driven, and flown (and hiked) all over California and
the West for 40 years. A lot of places in the West would have trouble
growing a crop of tumbleweeds.

Yes, and some of those places now have sizable cities in them.

Places like Phoenix, Tucson, Los Angeles, etc. grow tumbleweeds quite
well actually. If the Colorado River ever stopped flowing, they would
grow a lot more.
--
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since Oct; first surprises seen; papers pending. |

Rand Simberg wrote:

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 02:39:01 GMT, in a place far, far away, Dick
Morris made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

That's largely true in the continental US where it's mostly gone.

That's largely nonsense.

Your knowledge of wildlife habitat in the continental US is based on
what? A large majority of the land in the lower 48 states has been
converted to crop land, range land, tree farms, etc. Some wild animals
can still be found on some of that land, but their populations are only
a shadow of what they once were.

Range land and "tree farms" (also known as forest) can serve as
wildlife habitat. While certainly we've urbanized a lot of CONUS,
there's a great deal of it that's returning to the wild, and capable
of supporting wildlife. There's actually more forest in the northeast
now than there was two hundred years ago. Wolves have returned to
upper Wisconsin and Michigan, as well as moose.

Using a small part to stand for the whole is exactly the sort of logical
fallacy that Julian Simon was so fond of. A well managed tree farm is
spectacularly poor wildlife habitat, and bears the same resemblence to a
*forest* as a corn field does to a tall grass prairie - both are
monocultures. The managers of tree farms, crop land, and range land do
their best to exclude wildlife to keep them from eating the young trees,
crops, and grass. If you had ever read anything but right-wing screeds
you might have a clue what you're talking about.

Sorry, Chicken Little, but the sky isn't falling.

Asshole.

Rand Simberg wrote:

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 01:59:26 GMT, in a place far, far away, Dick
Morris made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

Human beings are net assets to each other: the
more people there are, the better it is for each of them.

Easter Island disproves that as a general rule.

No, it doesn't. An occasional exception doesn't disprove a general
rule.

General: "Not limited in scope, area, or application as a general
rule"

Webster's II New College Dictionary.

If there are exeptions, it's not a general rule.

Have you ever heard the expression, "It's the exception that makes the
rule"?

That *expression* has never made any logical sense, so of course you
would use it as an argument.

I thought not.

Rand Simberg wrote:

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 20:55:49 -0600, in a place far, far away, "Paul F.
Dietz" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:

Dick Morris wrote:

I never said that. And you have never said why you think we're so far
from being overpopulated.

At current attainable crop yields, the world could feed 100 billion
people. Africa alone could feed 15 billion.

Now, Paul, don't be so rude as to confuse him with facts.

This is so typical of mindless, politically-correct, right-wing radicals
who think that insults are an effective argument. Go to hell asshole.

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:21:36 GMT, in a place far, far away, Dick
Morris made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

At current attainable crop yields, the world could feed 100 billion
people. Africa alone could feed 15 billion.

Now, Paul, don't be so rude as to confuse him with facts.

This is so typical of mindless, politically-correct, right-wing radicals
who think that insults are an effective argument. Go to hell asshole.

You're bending the needle on my irony meter here, Dick.

Or find some alternate way to do things..

Vents provide heat and nutrients (building blocks).

Nuclear power reactor that produces the heat. What about the sulfer and
like?

Mike


Ool wrote:

"Russell Wallace" wrote in message ...

The oceans are mostly deserts due to lack of nutrient. What's to stop
someone loading a freighter with sand from the Sahara, scattering it
into the Atlantic, and coming back a few months later with a fleet of
fishing trawlers? No terribly huge expenses there.

I think the problem isn't so much a lack of nutrients but also a lack
of sunlight. Nothing grows beyond a certain depth because it's all
dark down there. So dumping nutrients all the way down wouldn't do
much good. You'd have to either build storm-proof floating islands,
anchored to the ocean floor or find a way of illuminating the place
deep down artificially...

The only alternative to sunlight is the biodiversity near volcanic
vents, and those are fairly localized. Think "river Nile in the des-
ert..."

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Dick Morris wrote in message ...
Rand Simberg wrote:

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 03:19:46 GMT, in a place far, far away, Dick
Morris made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

Endless population growth does not work on a finite planet.

I've never proposed endless population growth.

You've never admitted to any particular physical limits that I've seen
either.

It seemed beside the point, since we're so far from them it's not
worth discussing. Obviously if we were to somehow get to the point at
which the entire mass of the planet were converted to writhing blob of
humanity, that would be overdoing it.

Is that your limit? Don't see any limits short of turning the Earth
into a writhing blob of humanity?


I recommend a book called "Overshoot..." by
Catton, which may clear up some things.

I doubt it.

Of course you do: It's not "politically correct".

Au contraire, it's probably the ultimate in political correctness.
It's people like Julian Simon and Bjorn Lomborg who aren't politically
correct.

Do you mean to tell me that you cannot see the rampant political
correctness on the anti-environmental right?

You obviously have no idea what political correctness means.

I saw enough of it on the radical left to know it when I saw it on the
radical right. I was a conservative for 40 years, so I had a belly full
of it by the time the Soviet Union collapsed and the right adopted the
environmental movement as it's new bogeyman. I know political
correctness whenever I see someone refuse to answer a question and back
up their opinion with facts.

Ehrlich? You're joking, right?

If you think it's all a joke, then you're the one who is not to be taken
seriously.

Sadly, it's not a joke, because people like Ehrlich have caused
needless suffering and misguided millions through his fundamental
ignorance of ecology, technology and economics.

Were you, by any chance, a business major?

Apparently you failed to notice that your hero, Julian Simon, was
utterly clueless about ecology and technology, and managed to delude
himself into thinking that the issue was strictly about economics.
Remember how we were going to make copper from other metals? Ehrlich is
a biologist who has forgotten more about ecology than all the right-wing
anti-environmentalists put together will ever know. You might explain
how Ehrlich caused suffering by warning people of what was coming.

Poverty is largely caused by misgovernment, not by overpopulation per
se, even at our current technology level.

I see you didn't have a response to this.

I've gotten the impression that you think ALL government is
"misgovernment", so I wasn't sure if there was any point in arguing.

No, not all government, but most governments in Africa and Latin
America are misgovernments. As is Europe to a lesser degree.

Bad government policies are one way to impoverish people, but not the
only way. Without access to sufficient resources, prosperity is
impossible, regardless of government policies.

You continue to not realize that people themselves are the ultimate
resource.

Try "energy". Remove the entire civilized world and the tribal peoples
in the Amazon, etc. would never notice. Turn off the Sun and everybody
dies in a remarkably short time.

Even if we could magically institute good government all over the world
tomorrow, the improvement in sustainability would only buy us some
time. Population growth would eventually outstrip the increase in
agricultural production.

Eventually being the operative word. It's not a worry for you, or
your children, or your grandchildren.

You keep saying things like that, and keep failing to back them up with
any substantive reasons, other than vague assurances that the free
market, or something, will provide.

Nothing vague about it at all. It always has, and there's no reason
to think that it won't continue to.

Nothing vague about that answer! I give you reasons and you ignore
them, except to delete them from your replies.


Look what is going on behind the brave astrolomer's back!!!!


Sedna in the 12 houses = A glimpse of the copious delineation given
below

(C) Copyright 2004 Zic Klaudio, all rights reserved.
http://puck.dhs.org

1. Insight. Balance. Spirits help averting heart disease.

2. Astrologers will look for Sedna in the second house even in
popular solar return charts! This is the best year one can
have, finantially speaking. There's a hint at real estate,
too. Talisman: the dollar, the Eye in the Triangle, Shiva.

3. Do not travel to California; o.k. for New York (horary brief

4. Painful events within the family.

5. Extremely voracious and consuming in love and sex.

6. Sedna falling in the 6th house means God has come to serve.

7. Sincere relationship and souls entwined. Super marriage!

8. ESP. Visions after mindbody crisis. Several deaths.

9. Wherever I _choose_ to lay my hat is my home.

10. Holy marriage. Immensely influential artist.

11. And they lived happily everafter!

12. Portraying Eva archetype. Bewitched by dangerous charms.

(C) Copyright 2004 Zic Klaudio, all rights reserved.

As we can see, Sedna is quite the opposite watery elemental
force - inorganic -planet than much more sinister 2004 DW.

Since Sedna is delineated using true astronomical 28 (sic!)
constellations zodiac, most unfamiliar even to astronomers,
it's delineation in the 12 houses is preceded and purported
by a little initiation in astronomical astrology, featuring
the ascendental constellations (not the same as the zodiacal).

(C) Copyright 2004 Zic Klaudio, all rights reserved.

If we'd have no zodiac, we'd have no astrology! Use only
the full 28 constellation astronomical zodiac with Sedna
in Cetus! I am in Venice.it at this time, not in Tokyo.jp
Sedna is in Cetus, not in Taurus. That's far apart, indeed.

http://puck.dhs.org/28 Astronomical 28 Constellation Zodiac
http://puck.dhs.org/sedna Sedna in Cetus Delineation

The Sedna and 2004 DW delineations contain concepts
unfamiliar to most astrologers (here are some):

1. The zodiac has 28 constellations.
2. Secondary extrazodiacal progressions.
3. IAU compatible astrology = astronomy.
4. IAU constellations based delineation.
5. Saturn in Orion, Moon in Cetus, ...
6. Ascendants change with aeons and time.
7. Monoceros ascending. Lacerta zenithing.
8. Simscan progression of Earth trojan moons.
9. Secondary progressed Venus in Orion 2004.

The astrologer should be familiar with Cetus or Hydra
ascending or on the meridian, before attempting to fully
understand 2004 DW and Sedna in their current position.
While at this time it is not possible for e.g. little
Aries constellation to hold due east, it is perfectly
possible for Sedna or 2004 DW to be ascending in their
own constellations. Note that the 28 zodiacal
constellations are not the same as the ascendental
ones. Zenithing constellations are quite another set
of archetypes and moreover most constellation sets we
work with tend to chhange due to precession as well as
location. In other words there is no such thing as the
"12 signs" of the zodiac (not even 13 if we include
Ophiucus), and there are surely a dozen more ascending
constellations for your own location and time. Sextans
could be ascending where one thought Virgo was. My own
ascendant is Monoceros and the Unicorn is found (along
with the Lion) in many royal horoscopes as we shall see
below. http://puck.dhs.org/28 or +385 91 108 108 4
for information. You can also use the newsgroup and
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Transmit = Ascendental Constellations included below

Further improvements feature the precise position of the
Moon (very tricky!), the Sun in it's 13 IAU constellations,
the introduction of the main comets (e.g. recent NEAT comet
http://puck.dhs.org/comet), all Earth trojans or semi-moons,
all centaurs, main cubewano and plutino objects with an
occasional SDO. 2004 celebrates with a Moon in Cetus new year.

The site contains the delineations of the Moon and planets
in their IAU constellations, e.g. Pluto in Cetus, Moon in Sextans;
as well as either rather copious delineations or just footnotes of
early and new centaurs http://puck.dhs.org/centaurs and giant TNO
Varuna, Ixion, 2002 AW197, 2002 TX300, Quaoar, 2004 DW and Sedna.

Varuna, Ixion and Quaoar have received special attention.
http://puck.dhs.org/usenet.html as well as some centaurs
like Pylenor 1994 TA that we mention all over this article.

The article contains enough information to make the astronomer
laugh tears of joy as astronomy and astrology were never really
apart at all. Any mayan reading this will agree on most premises,
since we try and use archaic methods e.g. the meridian and
horizon, something commonplace astrology dares not.

This text is a long file (over 100 Kb). There are shorter
Sedna info files in our archives http://puck.dhs.org/sedna

Here's one of the many manifest - like articles you can find
browsing http://groups.google.com for "True Rising Constellations".

Note that this article precedes my discovery of the astronomical
research in the true zodiac led in 1977 by Dr. Lee Saphiro of
Morehead Planetarium, NC. Hope that my little research remains
if not astronomically meticulous, at least amusing and correct.

Introduction = 28 Zodiacal = Current Ascendental Constellations

Note again that "zodiacal" and "ascendental" are not the same at
all, while both categories, most remarkably the ascendental are
liable to change. It is easy to see how the ascendents change
with precession and location. This interesting subject deserves
attention and copious computation. This one was done on i386.

ASTROLOGY RELOADED (C) 2003 Klaudio Zic, all rights reserved.
Simply the East! http://puck.dhs.org/nu True Eastern Ascendant

= True Rising Constellations = Reload he http://puck.dhs.org/nu

An american citizen has the right to know. He has the right to
know which objects circle around his head (he's paid for), but
most of all he has the right to know which constellations were
active at the time of his own birth. Astronomers will know.

There are people who are not astronomers but know something
about astrology. In fact the 12 signs system is used to this
day even in astronomy, although the usual format is RA/decl.

People are told their ascending constellation is Aries when
it is clearly not and cannot possibly be. The ascendant usually
measured is `known' as `eastern constellation' but is usually the
northeastern or southeastern part (at best) of the constellation.

Here are the constellations that _can_ rise in due East in 2003.

Ophiucus
Serpens Cauda
Aquila
(Equuleus)
Aquarius
Pisces
Cetus
(A really insignificant portion of Taurus)
Eridanus
Orion
Monoceros
(Canis Minor)
Hydra
Sextans
(A small part of) Leo
(Crater ...)
Virgo
(Libra)
Serpens Caput
Ophiucus

The cow looks over the Due East fence and she sees Monoceros.
But a cow looking over the same fence 30000 years ago would
perhaps see Crater or even Aries. Let's check it out, then:

Triangulum
Aries
(Perseus)
Taurus
Orion
Gemini
Canis Minor
Hydra
(Sextans)
Hydra
Crater
Hydra
Centaurus
Lupus
Scorpio
Ophiucus
Sagittarius
Serpens Cauda
Scutum
Aquila
Aquarius
Equuleus
Pegasus
Andromeda
Pisces
Triangulum

The cow had a significantly different perspective due to precession.
Thus Monoceros (my own true ascendant and prince William's
descendant)
could not possibly be due East (or West) 30000 years ago.
Interesting.

It is interesting to know your Moon may be in Cetus, Corvus, Orion,
Ophiucus, Auriga or Sextans constellations, your Pluto in Coma
Berenices, your Saturn in Cetus, Venus in Hydra and Sun in Ophiucus.

Pluto is in Ophiucus and the Moon is in Cetus once a month, so we
are not talking about rare or remote cases of extrazodiacal behavior.

http://puck.dhs.org/extrazodiacal delienations for your
extrazodiacals

Run to NASA and be informed and order your True Chart here!

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Rising Constellation: Sextans Sat Aug 09 20:09:38 GMT 2003

Introduction (Continued) Tis is the 28 astronomical zodiac:


Do we have only 13 zodiacal constellations, or up to 24?

= 28 Constellations of the True Zodiac = http://puck.dhs.org

(C) 2004 Klaudio Zic http://puck.dhs.org/ng.html

It is widely ignored that the true zodiacal band does not
contain 13 constellations only (Ophiucus including), but
also a motley variety of constellations usually unknown to
the average astrologer. If Pluto was a planet, we would
have 28 zodiacal constellations. If we discard Pluto as a
mere transneptunian it is, we have a neat set of 24 (on the
double!) constellations. Expanding with Pluto, that for most
astrologers is nothing but a planet, we have the following 28
constellations the planets travel through at this time and age:

= 28 Constellations of the True Zodiac = http://puck.dhs.org

The 28 Constellations of the True Zodiac

Aquarius
Aries
Auriga
Bootes
Cancer
Canis Minor
Capricornus
Cetus
Coma Berenices
Corvus
Crater
Eridanus
Gemini
Hydra
Leo
Leo Minor
Libra
Ophiucus
Orion
Pegasus
Pisces
Sagittarius
Scorpius
Scutum
Serpens
Sextans
Taurus
Virgo

= 28 Constellations of the True Zodiac = http://puck.dhs.org

We have stated the Sun dwells "only 5 days" in Scorpius, while
it can apparently extend it's Scorpius sojourn to a week! The
largest constellation occupying the zodiac band is Virgo, where
the Sun lodges for 46 days.

We have the Moon moving through Libra, Scorpius and Ophiucus
for this Valentine. Let there be noted that the Sun is in Ophiucus
for an average of 18 days, roughly from Nov 30th to Dec 17th every
year. Transneptunians like Quaoar, Pluto or 2002 MS4, as well as
giant plutino Ixion are likely to dwell there for extended periods.

The Sun spends an average of 23 days in Libra, 7 in Scorpius and
18 in Ophiucus. This may vary from year to year, of course. It is
therefore a challenge for the incipient astrologer to calculate
his natal Sun's position.

= 28 Constellations of the True Zodiac = http://puck.dhs.org

The progressions of the planets have been called "extrazodiacal",
while there's in fact nothing "extrazodiacal" in Orion or Ophiucus
and the rest, since the planets dwell quite normally there. We had
Saturn in Orion last year (and during the world wars), Usama had
the Moon near Xi Orionis and so did the WTC tragedy. Scutum or
Auriga may look arcane, but there is a score of positions that
are common place (e.g. Keanu Reeves' Mercury in Sextans), like
this year's Venus in Orion or recent Venus in Ophiucus.

http://puck.dhs.org/extra /cetus http://puck.dhs.org/nu /sambora

(C) 2004 Klaudio Zic http://puck.dhs.org/ng.html

Valentine marks the end of Sun's journey through Capricornus and
it's entry into Aquarius. But does the Sun determine the Zodiac?

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Homework for my Students:

Which objects visit Serpens Cauda, Serpens Caput, Canis Minor or
Auriga? When (if ever) does it happen that Pluto travels through
Pisces or Aries? Can Crater be ascending? Which major centaur
dwells in Crater? Progress 2002 AW197 in Tiamat's surrounding.
How many days _after_ Valentine the Sun enters into Aquarius?

= 28 Constellations of the True Zodiac = http://puck.dhs.org



Sedna and 2004 DW delineation continues he


SEDNA (Continued)

Sedna is the Whale Queen, protector of the dolphins, as
well as astral dolphinlike inorganic angels-helpers.

This is for Silver Belt.

The archetype of the Whale is what Genesis or Creation
is about. The naming goes to noumens or "mental" world
archetypes. Adam kadmon gave the name to all the demons
(often translated "animals"). Later Adams ate pork.

Astralogy works with archetypes. The constellations
mimick archetypes. Orion and the Milky Way are the
Stairway to Heaven (http://puck.dhs.org/nu/stargate),
the Leviathan is Cetus. All this beautiful lessons are
still possible while we are redeeming towards astronomy
compatible astrology, even IAU compatible astrology.

The ascendental constellations change with the aeons,
but the zodiacal don't change, or at least not much
to our knowledge. Cetus is already a zodiacal
constellation. Always been. Many astrologers
have the Moon in Cetus or several planets.

http://puck.dhs.org/extra /cetus

No astrologer to my knowledge can possibly have
Pluto in Aries or Pisces, but many have Pluto in
Cetus. Luckily soon Pluto is not a planet, we'll
call it GA.GA as our zodiac drops from 28 to 24
constellations "only". The Sun journeys through
13 constellations, but the planets and the Moon
journey through 24 constellations. If Pluto were
a planet (astronomers disagree), we'd keep our
neat 28 constellation zodiac (expaded in a 29
piece one for the convenience of Serpens Cauda
and Caput, astrologically speaking!).


The constellations "changed". What "was" the Tapir is
now Taurus to us. We must study the ancients and update
to new discoveries. What else can we do? Or should?

I'm aware I'm speaking like Morpheus.

That is because I have Monoceros ascending.

People are free to carry on, tropically intended.

Leaning towards astronomy would mean the end of
our errors, while making mistakes seems the business
of the human. Sedna is not so much human as all that.

This update bears more darshan flavor and introduces
Pylenor as the killer of the social being. 2004 DW
has been updated & incorporated in this very document.

= SEDNA in the 12 ASTROLOGICAL HOUSES = Featuring 2004 DW Plutino
Contains a short majikal initiation, as well as Sedna talisman hints

Get rich with horary $edna in the second house and savour the deep
sea taste of Sednastrology while Sedna is still in Cetus
constellation!

Princess Diana has her Sedna in the 4th house.
Read about Sedna in the 4th house, comparing
your results to those of the centaurean astrologers.

http://groups.yahoo.com /Centaurs .ch .cr .ru .it O.fi.uk

Time to meet some swiss and costarican astrology

Sedna has been greatly updated, not only in it's 6th house of ritual
majik; see under 6. below. Vedic and castanedian lore incorporated as
usual. Many comments added. People who go to extremes have Sedna
prominent in their natal horoscope! Check 11th house, too.

Sedna acts in = direction = with fair impact.
The "transits" are one of perhaps 250 types of
directions at the service of the astrologer.

Sedna in directions (just an example)

=================== http://puck.dhs.org /sedna

The astrological "directions" are a popular set of
perhaps over 250 types of calculus. The most direct
are the primary directions. The directions enable the
astrologer to determine in seconds or minutes (at first
sight; no computer or any tool) all the major events
in one's life: mariage, love affairs, peril, ... and
that with excellent (to the month, even the day) timing.

Sedna "directed" with Venus will produce the most
amazing year love has to give, and that not only
in good, but also in bad (= selfish) respect.

Sedna has definitively a relationship with Venus.
We are beginning to discover, as well as disclose
this secret relationship. Angular Venus Sedna
positions make for extreme love (and hate?!?).

Sedna in good aspect with Venus produces:

P+sitive effects:

Love of one's life, popular and beloved by many,
mutual orgasm, bewitched by one's own charms,
voodoo issues, sexual exaltations, Casanova.

N+gative effects:

Confused divination, jealousy, confusion, chaos,
too much of a good thing, sweeped away by love.

The year influenced by Sedna and Venus by direction
can be fatal for lifetime! http://puck.dhs.org

Note that when we use "New Planet", we mimick the
news prior to the NASA announcement. Sedna is a
minor planet, a centaur, according to the MPC.

Pluto is officially still a planet, but among
experts it is no more one.

= New Planet Sedna in Finantial Astrology = http://puck.dhs.org

Sedna has already a fair finantial record. Why does it influence
the finantial $econd house of the horo$cope with such impetu$?

Albeit the hint at Admetos was a joke, it might rise
some interest and stirr some serious training. I leave it
as it is. Darkplanet Syrinx is quite the opposite, while
Admetos (or Admetus?) positively furthers stock exchange.
2002 AW197 will help with large partitions of real estate
and money in general, and 2002 MS4 will afford masonic help.

Hypoteticals such as the Avestans, Rathke Planets (see
under "darkplanets" on the site), and the Hamburg planets
precede the recent discoveries. Admetos is favorable to
stock exchange, much as 2002 AW197 is favorable to real estate.

The Sedna - Admetos "relationship" was a pure whim of the pen.
It is always funny to provoke astrologers over the USENET.
However, since there is some logic as concerns Admetos
position, we include the passage in hope it sharpens minds.
And pens.

Is Sedna Admetos? It could well be! It is not Phoebus of the
Rathke Planets, but it perhaps qualifies as Admetos of the
hamburgers. The last word is on Hamburg, of course. /Adm/

= SEDNA in the 12 ASTROLOGICAL HOUSES = Featuring 2004 DW Plutino

The recent large astronomical discoveries are being delineated in
astrological terms. After Varuna, Ixion, 2002 AW197, 2002 TX300
and that legendary Quaoar, we have 2004 DW and Sedna. Enjoy this
time of new classes of objects. The adventure started with 1992
QB1 a decan ago. 800 Kuiper Belt objects await delineation and
as it seems we have out first Oort Cloud Object 2003 VB12 "Sedna".

= Sedna = Astrological Delineation Update = http://puck.dhs.org

It was the summer of '69. http://puck.dhs.org/sedna/summer69.gif

Periodical summer conjunctions of our 2nd & 3rd moons (Cruithne &
2002 AA29) involve Sedna and this is a superb omen as it brings
relief to the omniverse. The nearest and the most distant blend
in cOMmunion! The most happy nativities are those enjoying close
conjunctions of 2002 AA29 and Sedna, such as in summer 1969. /*/

Our semi-"moons" are of course trojans. We may share some
of them with Venus. This field is rather new to astronomy.

2002 PH5 has been included in the simulations.
Several megabytes of new material scan Sedna
skies in detail, including 2004 DW and objects
of interest, most remarkably Thereus, the centaur.

One note: some trojans, SDO and other objects do not
conjunct Sedna, even if the longitude seems right.
The extreme latitudes (declinations) carry such
objects even over the "polar caps" of Omniverse.


Extra care (meaning astronomy) should be exercized
in the case of object 2002 VQ94 (which has a colorful)
set of constellations on it's itinerary. The object
crosses to Hydra but far from 2004 DW. See /Hydra3

This effect is particullary felt in the sixties! The closest and
the most unimaginably distant and undiscovered blend in the sixties.
Let us not forget the astral vedic and Rathke Planets, as well as a
host of hypoteticals from Cassini Lilith to Nibiru. The sixties
downloaded this influences and we're just unzipping the files.

Centaur Thereus joins the configuration in the early seventies.
Centaur Pholus underlines the conjunctions around 1984. Chiron
passes by, towering. (This is the product of a brief scan; other
objects of interest are surely involved!).

Sedna 531.657634 0.857434 11.9304 144.4929 311.8271 53200.5
357.8815 1.7
2003VB12 531.657634 0.857434 11.9304 144.4929 311.8271 53200.5
357.8815 1.7
Cruithne 0.99764 .514819 19.8114 126.4230 43.6000 48200.5
285.4393 15.0
2004CJ39 12.952050 0.477604 3.5772 334.9720 133.6604 53040.5
5.4183 14.0
2004DW 39.473609 0.217911 20.5553 268.5371 73.3331 53200.5
157.5394 2.4

Since Sedna is fairly removed from most interplanetary disputes,
it must be consulted as a fair judge over the petty gravitational
matters closer to us. Astrologers either consult the centaurs,
which are perturbed by various planets, or the aloof world of
the transneptunians. But how can 2004 DW judge? Is Quaoar fair?
Nessus is too disturbed to do any judgement, and Asbolus, albeit
magus, has not as yet seen it all. The centaurs lack perspective
as they're thrown here and there by influences and planetary
gravitation. The centaurs are our close dark archangels, but
they are unable to encompass and judge creation. Only Sedna
is capable of impartial empathy towards the centaurs and
transneptunian cubewano, plutino (and SDO) objects.

Get rich with horary $edna in the second house and savour the deep
sea taste of Sednastrology while Sedna is still in Cetus
constellation!

/Adm/ Admetos is a hypotetical and as such lacks perspective.
Sedna is a real object in Cetus, while hypotheticals
seldom claim latitude, declination or constellation.
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This leaves Admetos = Sedna as an interesting (or mere?)
speculation. The second house effect is, nevertheless,
remarkable. Perhaps the two (?) work together?


As promised, a little majikal initiation + SEDNA IN MAJIK +

= Sedna in Majik = Featuring Dolphin Talismans by puck.dhs.org

Not only the centaurs like Asbolus or 1992 TA ("Pylenor") have
their majikal attributes. Sedna is aloof but filters majik as
well by the very virtue of it's placement against us. Sedna is
largely unconcerned with the inner turnmoil of the known solar
system. Her gifts are thus disinteressed with no strings attached.

This article precedes Sedna in the 12 astological houses much is the
same fashion evocational majik is the well of astrological
initiation.

We don't suppose the house Franz Bardon has his own Sedna in,
as we introduce it here for the sake of record. Sedna is
overaspected
in the magus incarnation horoscope but it is most remarkably the
Saturn Mars midpoint as it seems responsable for the magician's
captivity. Namely the nazi and a black lodge succeeded in
torturing
the magus. This is a complex subject and horoscope I must leave
to more expert times. http://puck.dhs.org/sedna frabato

Frabato's supposed troubles with the undines and watery element
had a happy ending after dire danger. The depths are there to
teach.

It seems yet another type of masonry enjoys plumpy water sprites
(more plumpy than sprites) here. Our obscure masonic hero Giacomo
Casanova midpoints Sedna within his winning Mars Jupiter in 5th
with womboid Cruithne brushing by. Sedna is long large and eternal
erection and a peculiar disinterest in all the things one
posessed.

I love all, desire all, and after having it I don't crave for it
any longer. I have left that girl by the river, while it's still
in your mind. Castazeniac vibes, indeed. Casanova reminds us that
Sedna is not Admetos is not Nemesis.

http://puck.dhs.org /reports /reports1 Casanova features Venus
Devil Rose, HPMHC descending, Pholus Pluto, Sun Amor (darkplanet),
bedsides Cruithne Sedna Mars Jupiter cluster. Admetos and Nemesis
(darkplanet) seem involved with the magician's Moon.


Aleister Crowley's Sedna initiates him into love majik. This issues
93 Agape - Thelema = the famous formula of Love under Will. Bardon
adds "strong will" for the occasion, but this can be misleading.
Will is best conveyed by Carlos Castaneda, in my oppinion.

Changing hostility into friendship has been Crowley's forte, but
in cases like Mussolini, he also failed to obtain _too_much_
friendship and sanctuary. perhaps this is a Sedna lesson: don't
ask too much, or (for my O5 Masters "What does God (the Eagle)
owe to me that he must jump like a dog at my every whim?". Modesty.

Perhaps Sedna helps the aloof and disposes of the wordly man. One
can drink lemonade before and perhaps after the Holy Guardian Angel
appears. It is of course not any of my business to spill lemonade.

Sedna progresses very slowly in the magician's life. Year 1904.
(See http://puck.dhs.org/2004DW). Sedna brings the magician to his
purpO5e. PurpO5e is also the theme of Matrix-the-movie. Akasha is
loaded with PurpO5e. Rituals are carried on in the physical, astral
and mental domain. The secrets of the water element are hidden in
Sedna's progress. The spirits of the water elements led by Sedna's
progress in Cetus and the appropriate degree = head (spirit star or
ascended master = friendly inorganic being = immortal) are at the
service of the moral magus. The most beautiful undines are actually
a threat for the magus as many married one to regret it when they
were unable to remain faithful. Undines punish unfaithfulness with
death, justified by the very marriage contract. Sedna is an undine
for all practical purposes. In the seventh house it plays like a
dolphin with the magician's heart fountaining with love.

Sedna's dolphins entwined are quite the opposite to the triurne
Lamia of 2004 DW. Aloof Sedna has much love, but 2004 DW is a
dangerous siren. Luckily for the thick skinned magus, 2004 DW
will bite only to die from the poisonous magician's blood.

The innocent magus is not supposed to hide an undine. He should
marry her. Human heart knows vary few faiths and faithfulness
can become a problem. The undine won't tollerate breaching and
will demand the death of the magus, who will degrade into an
astral underwater servant in Sedna worlds unimaginable to the
neophyte. Sedna is thus the punishing deity in service of the
undine bride. various stories of sirens are in fact all true.

Sedna dips into the waters of our local omniverse like a siren
launching a deep cry into her waters. Science and vedic lore
agree about the composition of the minor planets in that they
are composed of ice (water) and alcol.

Sedna currently initiates (via the appropriate degree spirit star
head and ritual) into loveamulets. The amulets must be charged by
a trained and moral magus. ( Meaning 30 to 50 years of secret and
very hard training. )





= SEDNA in the 12 ASTROLOGICAL HOUSES = Featuring 2004 DW Plutino

The recent large astronomical discoveries are being delineated in
astrological terms. After Varuna, Ixion, 2002 AW197, 2002 TX300
and that legendary Quaoar, we have 2004 DW and Sedna. Enjoy this
time of new classes of objects. The adventure started with 1992
QB1 a decan ago. 800 Kuiper Belt objects await delineation and
as it seems we have out first Oort Cloud Object 2003 VB12 "Sedna".

http://puck.dhs.org /sedna /2004 DW /quaoar /varuna /ixion /comet

The article contains Sedna and 2004 DW delineations, as well
as their meaning in the 12 horizon based astrological houses

Since both Sedna and 2004 DW contain watery flavor, they are
coupled in this analysis. Morever the Sedna communication comes
in synch with 2004 DW discovery, even if it's own discovery is
marked Nov 11th 2003. The Minor Planet Center still classifies
Sedna as centaur object and we will probably see new classes of
objects popping out soon as we already did lately.

The zodiac loses 4 constellations, assuming Pluto is _not_ a planet.
In that case Eridanus (NEAT comet http://puck.dhs.org/comet, river
Po in Italy), Bootes (pastoral religions), Coma Berenices (Tiepolo's
Veronica's Hair at San Alvise) and Leo Minor (EVANGELVS SECUNDVS)
become EXTRA-zodiacal constellations, while they were of course
zodiacal in times when Pluto was officially a planet. Sitchinian
proposals taken into consideration, we have GAGA as Saturn's ex
satellite. Our zodiac reduces thus to 24 constellations, 25 in
extension, conveniently splitting Serpens in two.

http://puck.dhs.org/extra/cetus Is your natal Moon in Cetus, too?

Why Cetus? Because it is a _zodiacal_ constellation. Misconceptions
have the zodiac a 12 constellation ring, when it is a 13 (Ophiucus!)
constellation ring as concerns the Sun. The Sun journeys through
13 constellations. But the Moon, Pluto and the planets journey
through 28 constellations! This is largely out of reach for the
practical (?) 12zodiacal (often "tropical") astrologer. This
astrologer is _not_ concerned with the way things are (or were),
he deals with unexisting positions, impossible conjunctions,
immersed in a virtual simplified equinoctial model of the
constellations, good enough for some old egyptian primary
school perhaps, but not good at all for serious research.
No wonder astronomers keep laughing at tropical astrologers:
they deserve it in many ways. So do the siderealists and the
vedic. All of them refuse to take a simple glance at the sky.

http://puck.dhs.org/28 http://puck.dhs.org/sedna in 12 houses

Sedna is the protector of tritons, undines and evocational
magick dealing with the watery element, especially while it
still dives through Cetus. Watermonsters, krakens, lamias
and sirens speak through dolphins and whales to the uninitiated.

As concerns travel, it
is obvious Sedna will bring the acolyte across to Avalon,
as not just long journeys, but actually journeys out of this
world pertain to Sedna. Sedna's orbit alone dictates long
distance communication as Sedna features in horoscopes of
meditators, shamans and people who reside for a long time from
home. Sedna will determine space mission captains in the
future. Sedna liberates the meditator! Sedna
is not perturbed (much) by the planets, and is almost untouched
by sunrays, the better for the meditator to escape the ego-fires
of the heart-Sun. The Sun is malefic in vedic tought, as the
Moon is truemind. The centripetal pull of the Sun and it's ego
wishes symbolize (if not incorporate!) ego will (me, me!), but
Sedna is (almost = savikalpa samadhi) liberated from the major
gravitational basin, it is part of our system but fairly
with an "independent" (?) orbit. It is thus symbolized by the
meditator in savikalpa samadhi. :::||| heart





= Sedna = http://puck.dhs.org /sedna in the 12 astrological houses

Sedna in Cetus in the 12 Astrological Horizon based Houses

(C) 2004 Klaudio Zic http://puck.dhs.org/sedna

1. Insight. Balance. The Temple promotes longevity. Ancestral
spirits help averting heart disease.

Be extra careful with 6th and 7th house planets, as well as
1st and 7th house placements as most astrological programs
mistake the real positions, assuming the Sun rises in Due East.
E.g. many of you have Neptune in 6th and not in 7th as the program
shows. This is due to southern latutude and due western horizon.

2. Astrologers will look for Sedna in the second house even in
popular solar return charts! This is the best year one can
have, finantially speaking. There's a hint at real estate,
too. Talisman: the dollar, the Eye in the Triangle, Shiva.

Windfall. The guru afloat on the sea. Sincerity. Good winds.
Chopping wood for the winter. Cached wood carried to the stove.
Storage. Resourceful? The maiden chops wood.

Is Sedna Admetos? It could well be! It is not Phoebus of the
Rathke Planets, but it perhaps qualifies as Admetos of the
hamburgers. The last word is on Hamburg, of course.

Get rich with horary $edna in the second house and savour the deep
sea taste of Sednastrology while Sedna is still in Cetus
constellation!

= New Planet Sedna in Finantial Astrology = http://puck.dhs.org

Sedna has already a fair finantial record. Why does it influence
the finantial $econd house of the horo$cope with such impetu$?

Hypoteticals such as the Avestans, Rathke Planets (see
under "darkplanets" on the site), and the Hamburg planets
precede the recent discoveries. Admetos is favorable to
stock exchange, much as 2002 AW197 is favorable to real estate.

Is Sedna Admetos? It could well be! It is not Phoebus of the
Rathke Planets, but it perhaps qualifies as Admetos of the
hamburgers. The last word is on Hamburg, of course.

/Adm/ Admetos is a hypotetical and as such lacks perspective.
Sedna is a real object in Cetus, while hypotheticals
seldom propose a declination and constellation.

This leaves Admetos = Sedna as an interesting (or mere?)
speculation. The second house effect is, nevertheless,
remarkable. Perhaps the two (?) work together?

Leaving behind one's research for the pO5terity. Resourceful.
Well-ordered or rather organized set of premises. A research into
the dark side of the soul (voladero mind).

Far reaching ideas influencing pO5terity?

"What I win I keep". Refined science being used to make money
ever after? Discontinued research?

Wearing a tail one dislikes = perhaps leaving a broad line of
unwanted "followers" behind.

About Sedna in the Second House

Baghdad has Sedna in second house. Since year 762
it was a rich city. "Resourceful" is a better word
for second house matters. The second house is also
PORTA INFERNA. The lord of this world is the inorganic
parasit-predator (voladero, devil) that installs his
own mind instead of the original one into the newborn
on which it feeds. Our beliefs are thus the product of
an inorganic strategy. Thus the saints chose caverns,
not libraries.

I guess I owe Baghdad birth data to Juan Antonio Revilla.

3. Inorganic being, but not as yet or necessary already or ever
a helper. Non-human, but perhaps rather evil. Black packt. Easter.
Do not travel to California; o.k. for New York (horary brief).

An ally, when tamed (see Holy Bible, PNIAL, Peniel) is an
useful inorganic being, "kept in the pouch".

4. Painful events within the family.

This is the position of + Princess Diana.

Turning into a wolf? Goethia. Barbaric invocation formulae.
Howling like a wolf in trance and extasy. Aiming at the wild
Holy Guardian Angel? Spelled by a mature woman? Packting with
some devil. Plutonic position. Selling one's soul.
Selling one's soul but eventually getting away with it.

Obtaining both the purse full of gold and the hand of Helen
of Troy, plus heavenly extras. Almost a lucky man?

Desperately enamored!

The cusp of the 4th house is Nadir (not I.C.). This position is
most important as it strikes Sedna's own family affairs. Her
family then expands to all astral fauna. The shepardess of the
astral dolphins is surely heart-wounded after the slaughter done
to whales and dolphins. AVE MARIA STELLA MARIS. Sedna can be
coupled with Santa Lucia in her inorganic aspect. This will be
done in Venice in summer gift to students, readers and O5 classes.

All pierced, broken and lightning-transfixed Hearts fall under
this category. Loser? One who barters both with God and the Devil?

Keywords:

Selling one's soul (more or less immortal?) but getting away with
it.
Hunting high and low, obtaining material as well as some spiritual
prize. A fatal position?

Dangerous underwater forces at work. Subconscious elements
stirring.

Princess Diana has this position along with a second house Saturn
closely squaring Sedna. Saturn features in Prince Charles 2nd
house, too. The princess has her Sun closely conjunct 2004 DW.
The couple shares Monoceros horizons with Prince William.

Rough for real estate matters. Throwong one out of his house.
Finally dislodging someone. Get 'em up by Saturday. Large real
estate manipulation. Smuggling weapons, military scandal, bad
with Algol (cutting heads). Perhaps like nazi crimes towards the
chosen paople.

Dislodging one from his own country? Then America and Israel?
Forceful actions bent on punishing criminals, scaring the
badger out of his den. Applying legal constraint and force?

Bribery as applied to the military? Disarmament. IBM.

Genetic control and manipulation. http://puck.dhs.org/clone

Secrete bases and experiments under the sea. Atlantis reemerging?

This position is sensitive to Saturn effects, as well as Jupiter
Saturn aspects in direction. It is like a good Jupiter Saturn
square.

Selling soul is a way of putting it. One obtains some service from
the inorganic but is obliged to return service. This is something
one should avoid in majik, even when a "honest" inorganic offers
"fair exchange". No dwarf, angel or nymph is to be trusted 100 %.

5. Extremely voracious and consuming in love and sex.
Legendary jealousy. Abandoned to sex. Archetypal sex.

? mangled ? suicidal ? secret suffering ? lack of emotion ?

Extremely feminine, never at first sight. Manequine. Catwalk.
Die-hard. Devilishly sly. extreme punishments and rewards in
one's sexual life. Money hungry. Burglary. Risky life always
at one edge. Dangerous passions. Drugs? Extreme travel or
exotical countries at surprise. (Take Finland for an example.)

Death on two legs. Silent mistress. Oral service.
Mysterious or too simple a lover?

The return of the beloved after a long time
(10 years perhaps). Phantasmagoria while
unbeliavable complications in love and sex.

Bonnie but no Clyde?

A favorable issue to steeling a wife. Stolen wife was not hidden
(well)?

Magus and Astrologer. Sexual pest. Burglary after enrichment?
The unexpected Aiwass-like ward. FIAT LVX.

The wish to go far, thus entrapped!

The innocent magus is not supposed to hide an undine. He should
marry her. Human heart knows vary few faiths and faithfulness
can become a problem. The undine won't tollerate breaching and
will demand the death of the magus, who will degrade into an
astral underwater servant in Sedna worlds unimaginable to the
neophyte. Sedna is thus the punishing deity in service of the
undine bride. various stories of sirens are in fact all true.

It seems yet another type of masonry enjoys plumpy water sprites
(more plumpy than sprites) here. Our obscure masonic hero Giacomo
Casanova midpoints Sedna within his winning Mars Jupiter in 5th
with womboid Cruithne brushing by. Sedna is long large and eternal
erection and a peculiar disinterest in all the things one
posessed.

I love all, desire all, and after having it I don't crave for it
any longer. I have left that girl by the river, while it's still
in your mind. Castazeniac vibes, indeed. Casanova reminds us that
Sedna is not Admetos is not Nemesis.

http://puck.dhs.org /reports /reports1 Casanova features Venus
Devil Rose, HPMHC descending, Pholus Pluto, Sun Amor (darkplanet),
bedsides Cruithne Sedna Mars Jupiter cluster. Admetos and Nemesis
(darkplanet) seem involved with the magician's Moon.

http://puck.dhs.org/venexia/casanova for birthplace and myth.

Thelemite. Vegetarian. Hare Krsna. Drug addict?
Black robes. Silent gothic environmant. Playing
with a "terrible" black dog.

Out of the common. Outcast? Condemned because of
one's love life. Sins of youth.

Does not want to have babies at all. Undecided abut
motherhood for a long time? (But not like cold Saturn
in 5th.)

Research into (im)possibility of having posterity.

She's a lady, she has time to brush back her hair.

The final choice after the most improbable sex life
complications may be solitude. Sedna is aloof.

6. Guess who? Nelson Rockefeller. A great bhakti? The dollar
bill still has God watching you and perhaps worshiping the
bill leads towards great spiritual achievements.

Compare 2004 DW delineation below where we have an allusion
to Mother Mary ( = Isis ). Sedna offers darshans.

Evoking God's help has spectacular effect in this pO5ition!
God not only comes but also makes a show with so much lightning!
The innocent and reverent receive help from Godhead himSelf.

God is not only at the service of the hermit, it forms an
aliance here. This is the pO5ition of the Covenant. Ally
with God from within and he comes in visible form (avatara).

The darshan can be bloody as in the example of Prahlada Maharaj
where the deity butchers the opponent after playing with it!

The help comes sort of unexpectedly, although the faithful
is one with "his" deity mO5t of the time. Sincerity, rather
than elaborate rituals (elaborate rituals often serve
materialistic goals: observe our european churches, for istance

God "descends" slaying the carrier of the inorganic pest.
God kills the devil, or at least it's mortal frame.
The devil is by far more equipied to kill man, but God is
by far more equipied to kill the devil. This is not so
christian-linear, as the inorganic pest partakes in creation.

For those who aim at liberation from the devil, there's some
informative material under "los voladeros" or "voladeros"
on http://groups.google.com or http://puck.dhs.org/usenet.html
Exorcism can begin with such simple techniques as O5, which
we incorporate under news://aurora.lightlink.com/alt.clearing.O5

The castanedian lore is vital crucial and central to all modern
exorcism. Tradition properly initiated along with new currents
informs the exorcist. Of course the majority will "think" (it
is the devil that does the thinking) the devil does not exist.

Sedna is aloof, here putting itself below the western horizon.
The western horizon is the alterego, so-to-speak, of the eastern
horizon, or the ascendant. We have seen Sedna is in Cetus and
when Cetus is ascending with Sedna (at this time in Europe
around 08:25 CET), Virgo or Libra are descending (with rather
dangerous Serpens Caput lurking by). The descendant is sometimes
the enemy, precisely the known visible representation of the
enemy of man (voladero, devil, vampire inorganic being): the
incorporation of the personal devil, and so on. Sedna below
the western horizon is playing with the bhakti's enemy, like
in the case of Prahlada Maharaj (who owns an astral planet of
his own, I'm informed). Sedna is aloof like God but it descends
and plays with man's enemy (the personal devil dwells inside
Prahlada Maharaj's father in our example), killing him in the
end. The vedic example is astounding when enmeshed with
castanedian lore. Truemind kills false ego. The default mind
is one we use on daily basis which is not ours at all and was
installed by the devil at an early age. This is alienation and
death. We don't need this. All the lies of the false authorities
come from the use of the wrong mind. Don't use it. Don't feed
negativemotions, never. Survival and paradise is pO5sible for
truemind, but hardly in ways the false mind suggests: rather
tricky and deadly dangerous, indeed.

Sedna falling in the 6th house means God has come to serve.
Truemind
will kill false ego after playing with it. This sounds
optimistical
indeed and it is to give you a boost. Don't wait for Sedna in 6th
to fight your true enemy: your "own" (not yours at all) mind!

The 6th house is one of the most intriguing, dealing with
ritual majik. Sedna in 6th requires denial of packts to
"pO5itive", as well as negative inorganic beings. We should
not mingle with bad people and bad inorganics (spirits, more
or less physical parallel universe beings).

Yato yato yami tato nrsimhah. Saint Marc's inorganic guide is
Nrsimhah deva of the vedic lore, the protector of astral travel
ers such as Prahlada Maharaj). Inner fires burning ego remanants.
Reguls as MIKAL. /a/ A fishing cat. Guru search out of the Temple.
Out of the sea life crawls into the forest. Ancestral spirits lead
to the wood-of-no-guru. Ancestral spirits spread the MariX before
the initiate. The warp-and-woof of other life. Childbirth in the
Temple. Capitalism. Sea ecology. Marine expeditions.

Menkar can add up to fire hazard. Protect your stables. Take
special care of your cats. Altars built to deal with fires.
Vesta is especially interesting when dealing with 6th house
fire service and hazard. This position can "blow fire". The
fiery element can be greatly stressed with Regulus acting
on the planets in connection with Sedna here.

Note that we take the 6th house as being below the western
horizon. That is never done in tropical/popular astrology.

Be extra careful with 6th and 7th house planets, as well as
1st and 7th house placements as most astrological programs
mistake the real positions, assuming the Sun rises in Due East.
E.g. many of you have Neptune in 6th and not in 7th as the program
shows. This is due to southern latutude and due western horizon.

The same deity can appear to various saints. A lionlike angel
suggested PAX TIBI MARCE EVANGELISTA MEVS to the double evangelist
Saint Marc in the bogs ("biri" in venethian) where the large
church of San Francesco de la Vigna stands today. Lionlike
incarnations and visions clearly pertain to Regulus and Leo.

All tropical calculus here is obsolete as we are working with
the real skies, not some simplified equinoctial model.

? Fanatic ? One Ring. Submit all. Saruman. Social and political
climber despite mean provenience? The cold snow and ice is not
favorable to you. The Snow Queen attacks. A braggart thinks
himself a great general. Defeat in expansion.

Sedna 6th people should be modest like Prahlada Maharaj.
Even when given power over the planetary system, they should
take care to be extra modest in all!!!


7. Sincere relationship and souls entwined. Super marriage!
Mountain sisters? Twin souls? Check Davison charts!

Sedna's dolphins entwined are quite the opposite to the triurne
Lamia of 2004 DW. Aloof Sedna has much love, but 2004 DW is a
dangerous siren. Luckily for the thick skinned magus, 2004 DW
will bite only to die from the poisonous magician's blood.

The innocent magus is not supposed to hide an undine. He should
marry her. Human heart knows vary few faiths and faithfulness
can become a problem. The undine won't tollerate breaching and
will demand the death of the magus, who will degrade into an
astral underwater servant in Sedna worlds unimaginable to the
neophyte. Sedna is thus the punishing deity in service of the
undine bride. various stories of sirens are in fact all true.

One should be careful checking for latitude and horizon.
When all is measured and checked out properly, there is
no mistake and Sedna is _really_ in the 7th house! /b/

snip
service of the moral magus. The most beautiful undines are actually
a threat for the magus as many married one to regret it when they
were unable to remain faithful. Undines punish unfaithfulness with
death, justified by the very marriage contract. Sedna is an undine
for all practical purposes. In the seventh house it plays like a
dolphin with the magician's heart fountaining with love.
/snip !-- See majikal initiation below --

When is a planet in the 7th house? When above the horizon.
Checking Sedna in teh 7th house is especially tricky. Try
and get some hints learning from othe people's errors he
http://puck.dhs.org/28 /extra /nu /dane.rudhyar /alan.leo
The article is "7th House Switch" http://puck.dhs.org/nu

Sedna is otherwise in the 6th house. Your astological
program does not know it. This is an old standard error
of popular astrology for the masses. Many authors have
their planets e.g. in the 12th when they're clearly in
1st, having the appropriate latitude and position under
the eastern horizon. The ascendant is Due East, of course.

A Note on 2004 DW below:

2004 DW is quite the reverse of Sedna in many respects.

Sedna's dolphins entwined are quite the opposite to the triurne
Lamia of 2004 DW. Aloof Sedna has much love, but 2004 DW is a
dangerous siren. Luckily for the thick skinned magus, 2004 DW
will bite only to die from the poisonous magician's blood.


8. ESP. Visions after mindbody crisis. Several deaths.
Survived several clynical deaths.

Mason?

This is a b/w self employed, self driven, tottaly
independent person. Passion, sincerity, infinity is
just a snap of the finger.

This person knows no limits, she cannot know limits!
There are none!

"Too far, too soon; you saw the whole of the Moon"
--- Waterboys "This is the Sea".

Returned from the other world. The Advent of Panurage
by Gentle Giant. In and out this world. Confused by
Nagual. Weltschmertz.

Time pyramind. Errection. Sinking. Sea bottom. The flood.
The overflooding well.

Overcoming timespace. Clairvoyant.

The placement of the physical heart might be altered.
Check again for Venus (and Pholus, if near!) and
investigate into both physical and spiritual heart
placement. The physical heart may be towards the
spiritual one, towards the middle of the chest,
size possibly altered (pelato - like).

9. This is the position of the high initiate.

Following one's clear purpose and mission.

Opening new worlds beyond this one. Expanding the
Tree of Life. Venturing beyond the Looking Glass.
Alice in Wonderland. La diablera. He who knows and
ventures beyond the Pass.

"Socializing" in enochian kingdoms. Getting to know
the king of the angels. Majikal reformation. Post -
thelemitic XAoC.

Skrying in astral. Tibet. Himalaya. The Great
White Lodge. Channeling. Enochiana. A high or
important position in masonry. Poetical attitude.

Copious writer, but rather poet. Occult writer.
A new William Shakespeare. Attaining to the highest
secrets of sexual majik, alchemy and tantra. Perhaps
holy marriage, but this is the active dreamer position.

(The 12th house ismore like the stalker's position.)

Sedna 9th incarnations have tasks on planetary level,
especially as concerns the occult, majik & religion.

Reforming the basic program. Hacking into the core.

NEMO as Magister Templi. One loses his little ego
or voladero mind, becoming N00ne, like the 0 of the
Tarot. Look for T-squares here! Pylenor is always
involved and perhaps 2002 TX300.

Poets and magicians will have this position with
prominent Pylenor, the centaur of the immortals.

The new law. More freedom. Tantric yoga (left
tantra?). Travel on occult pursuit.

Try and couple this analysis with Pylenor.
Pylenor attacks the social being, the better
to prepare the worshiper for the darshan.

The vision of the holy guardian angel is then
possible, but the social being must die.

Pylenor dwells under the bridges unwarping
truemind, killing the social being.

Avatar. Descending from the skies. Heavenly objects
bringing fresh genetical code to a planet.
Panspermia. ||: dissemination. A traveler arrives from
far away. Alien visitors. Sitchinian cosmogonies.

This position calls Nibiru to our mind.

This position has glimpsed into Other Worlds.
Sedna 9th people go far far! Who can catch the last
glimpse of their Glory?

The owner of this position understands many things
that don't catch the eye of the "normal" person.

Knowing too much "for his good". Suffering his mandate.

Easy climber. Climbs high. Advance. Stairway to Heaven.
The neophyte easily progresses to Zelator and beyond to
Ipsissimus. Many surmontable obstacles, especially
designed by the mediocre.

Hated and feared by the mob. Gossipful center of
evil attention and mediocre curiO5ity.

Wherever I _choose_ to lay my hat is my home.
The supper of the Lamb. An archangel. Sacred and prophane,
perhaps even a bit morbid love. Love, sex and mythology.
(Reddish) mask for the face and head. Watcher of the skies.
Intuiting death. Death conscious. Human, full of strange
empathy. World encompassing. making no show of his mission.
Rain on the windshield. The Eagle communicates to the shaman.
hanging like a semigod from the ceiling.
Tired of airplane trips. Seeing more realities behind this veil.
Intuiting parallel worlds. Harlequin. Arlekin Batocio.
Standing on a sanatory wall. Standing on the ledge of the window.
Lover's leap. Morbid sense of humor? Beloved but "broken"?

This is the chosen one, for good or bad. The position presses
into contact with the holy guardian angel. Infinity presses
or God (the Eagle) sends commands.

At home elsewhere. Anyway. Easy come easy go.
Head in the clouds. Aloof. Towering. Angelic. Pixied or
elvish. Eloquent. A copious writer. Founding new monasteries.

Far reaching. Saying much in one word. Inventing modes of
communication. Telecasting. The one many dream of. Second
attention = active dreaming. Trancelike attitude. Performing
better than anyone else. aiming at the best, farthest. Far
away from the mediocre and daily routine.

Excellent for poets? In fact the owner must be one.
Poetry is majik. Majik is poetry.

Waking up in one's dreams. Born artist. Exceptional guru
having an exceptional guru. Versatile. Resourceful. Multi
lingual. Eloquent. Everything immediately pO5sible. Opener.

Alienated. Social persona dying. Initiation. Hermitage.
Alien to it's, his or her own surrounding. Enjoying gypsy
like outskirts. Snooping everywhere.

The death of his social being enables detachment.

Choose a sullen place and stay there allone. All1
for weeks, months. Then Pylenor acts! Pylenor tears
down the social being, unwarps TrueMing.

In the end one is equally (dis)interessed in social
and lonely pursuit. What is loneliness?

How does it "feel" to be "one without another"?
(Adwaita vedantao).

The desert. One is one's own cOMpany.

Deserted by all, but not feeling too bad.

Excellent for art and travel! Roundabout. Spring equinox.
Compare with Pegasus constellation. As concerns travel, it
is obvious Sedna will bring the acolyte across to Avalon,
as not just long journeys, but actually journeys out of this
world pertain to Sedna. Sedna's orbit alone dictates long
distance communication as Sedna features in horoscopes of
meditators, shamans and people who reside a long time from
home. Sedna will determine space mission captains in the
future.

Travel expands to second attention or waking up in one's dreams.
Still better, Sedna at in 9th liberates the meditator! Sedna
is not perturbed (much) by the planets, and is almost untouched
by sunrays, the better for the meditator to escape the ego-fires
of the heart-Sun. The Sun is malefic in vedic tought, as the
Moon is truemind. The centripetal pull of the Sun and it's ego
wishes symbolize (if not incorporate!) ego will (me, me!), but
Sedna is (almost = savikalpa samadhi) liberated from the major
gravitational basin, it is part of our system but fairly
with an "independent" (?) orbit. It is thus symbolized by the
meditator in savikalpa samadhi.

Since Sedna is fairly removed from most interplanetary disputes,
it must be consulted as a fair judge over the petty gravitational
matters closer to us. Astrologers either consult the centaurs,
which are perturbed by various planets, or the aloof world of
the transneptunians. But how can 2004 DW judge? Is Quaoar fair?
Nessus is too disturbed to do any judgement, and Asbolus, albeit
magus, has not as yet seen it all. The centaurs lack perspective
as they're thrown here and there by influences and planetary
gravitation. The centaurs are our close dark archangels, but
they are unable to encompass and judge creation. Only Sedna
is capable of impartial empathy towards the centaurs and
transneptunian cubewano, plutino (and SDO) objects.

Sedna in 11th 10th and 9th house and especially at the meridian
is a fair judge judging nothing, an aloof observer, the witness.
Om sakshi aham. I am the Witness separate of all.

The prophet. Messiah. Carrier of a New Law. Astronomical, as well
as astrolohical reformations. A poet writing about astrology.

This pO5ition cannot be judged by the mediocre.

10. Visions of angels.

Holy marriage. Immensely influential artist.

Detailed account of astral adventurities. Dreams
come alive.

This Sedna position can mean marriage when Sedna transits
into the lovers 11th house. The 11th house is the house of
true love, while the 5th spells lust.

Love forever.

Noble goals. Empathy towards the suffering.
High aims. Materialistically disinteressed.

Truemind!

Aiming at the Highest.

Impartial. Rather disinteressed.

Detached. Eccentric. Mad with art.

SeldOM involved in material activities.

Without lust of result. Dharmic management?

Grail. ( Crater ? ). Flying? One year of good business?
Friends forever? Spirit helpers. Aiming at immortality after
meeting a spiritual ancestor and guide. Persist in poverty.

Space mission captain.

Menkar is not traditionally good at all at the meridian and
Sedna has been coupled with Alpha Ceti for a while. Speaking
of coupling, Venus rises with Sedna at his time.

Getting rich soon.

Venus at the meridian with the 10th house Sedna
position seems an especially blessed cOMbination.

Artistic discrepances. Perhaps an artist
who is too noble to be understood? An artist
who ... thinks she cannot paint? Too shy an
artist! Perhaps helping the planet is more
important than exibiting one's works.

Not much self importance here!

An artist fully depending on his she-partner.

An artist hiding her works?

Natural art, clay, ... I will add many comments
here after an interview or two within my muse.

This is Prince Charles position.

Amazingly, Dali's Sedna confirms to the
description, sharing this house with 2002 DW.
Partnership seems important for climbing the
Stairway to Heaven. Holy Marriage is implied.

Hierogamos is something very few attempted
and succeeded in, but medieval Venice is e.g.
full of "patera"s, reliefs showing more or
less pervert alchemical allusions to Hiero
Gamos. http://puck.dhs.org/venexia /unihipili

Dali was not bashful, or was he? Sedna is
about extremes and yes we have to check for
extreme unbashfulness here as well as it seems

11. The fixation of second attention. Dreamy
state. Daydreaming. Truemind. Awake in
dreams, dreaming awake; thus visions
and contact with the inorganic. The
inorganic will often "adopt" the form
of popular (e.g. christian) saints and
deities. Nevertheless, this position is
one of the genuine visionary (always
doublecheck). Visions of angels.

Sedna is about things far that do not
come near too often. It's orbit thus
project darshans. What are gods but
planets? I am being nasty sitchinian
at this point. I feel his Nibiru IHVH
conjuncture has much sane sense in it.

In the vedas, some weird fellows would
evoke (adwaita vedanta invokes) deities
awaiting for them aeons (a long time).

Why so? The orbit of the spiritual planet
carrier requires time. This is of course
a fascinating denikenian field. What do
the authorities have to say? The authorities
fall apart at this time. Perhaps checking
with Vivekananda lodge sometimes.

Real jyotish should help us study the
spiritual planets. Could we form an alliance
with vedic astrology? Should we? We should.

Seeing ahead , alliance with deity. Whatever
inorganic can hook to the picture and fancy
of a deity so extra majikal expertise is
needed in cases of wanna"official" visions.

The inorganic is whatever being, scout,
"demon", "angel", or elementary being
that comes our way. There are scores
of them, all dangerous, thus wear your
O5 hat and disbelieve in topknot cakras.

The deity protects the worshiper. This house
is called PROTECTORES as popular fancy has
wiged angels being _good_ beings. Angels
( = would be allies) are rough to wrestle with.

And they lived happily everafter!

(The 11th house comes after the 10th).

Love(rs) forever. Strong majikal protector!!!
Several lineage of gurus and majikians protect
the natus. A magus coming from afar helps!!!

Covenant, thus love forever with the deity.
This is not so romantic or ideal in "real
life", but again, why not?

Inspired, visionary, possibly darshan, the
avatar comes to meet (descends) the natus.

Wartime. Ra-Hoor-Khuit? The evil fixation of second attention.
Visiting the feudal lord. Bribing the nagual?

Depending on the feudal lord. Presenting astrological
or astronomical calculus to the feudal lord.

Presenting a vision = darshan = communion with
deity to the official (Jupiter = guru) ecclesia.

Publishing books on astronomy and astrology
as well. This must be excellent with Sun Saturn Uranus.

Calculating a horoscope for the feudal lord.

This position may be one of new discoveries,
theories, bold new cosmogonical concepts.

Perhaps the owner is rich (second house from
tenth = profit from enterprise).

Spiritually rich. The seer?

Predicting for the feudal lord. Predicting feudal lord's
mishap or lack of eficacious protection.

Protecting the feudal lord, overlord.

The protector? Healing the plague? Rich enterprise,
especially with 2002 AW197. Taking care of the planet?
Political astrology?

Majikal protection? Perhaps hebrew talismans.

Pylenor 1994 TA is the immortality centaur. Watch
out for it's angular placement and aspect when
checking for darshan. The immortal manifests
in Pylenor. See http://groups.google.com or
http://puck.dhs.org/usenet.html for Pylenor
(Juan Antonio Revilla proposed this name).

Since angels come under the 11th house, this is the
special position for a darshan. The visible manifestation
of the deity.

12. Spring Sedna rising with the Sun. For centaurean astrologers:
yes, the circle with the dot hidding in the minor planetary
forest between perhaps such _familiar_ stuff as 2002 UX25
and Thereus is the Sun, the malefic ego-center and Lord of
this World, the usurper. Our Lord Neptune may be hidden
between 1999 OX3, Damocles and a dozen illustrative objects.

It is well known from Enuma Elish who are the bad guys of
this system so when you see MU.MU (they nicked it Mercury)
conjunct Sedna, frown with knowledge. For the rest we hope
Sedna rising catches some gothic atmosphere as we're
awaiting reports from people waking up in locations like
Tintagel, ideally after a nighttime of obscure rituals.

http://puck.dhs.org/usenet.html (hope it's still there)

It is obscure why should the house of the rising sun be
hated by the very astrologers who "believe" in let the
sunshine in. This house with Sedna may be more like the
Mists of Avalon, jokes apart; e.g. the entrance in the
abode of nibiric Gods for(a good piece of inorganic)ever.

Crowology. Crows spelling out omens. "Saturnian" position.
Special birds sent by God like in the case of Eliah (cheese
raven) or even ritualchemical nightbird Ming Yee |:|:::

Mist. Fog. Gothic. Good omens. Nevertheless good position for
marriage (possibly eceptional cases like the coupling of majikal
beings). Special omens. The dark night of the soul is over.

Bad issue? Hidden victory? Quickly out of the Temple? The Temple
of the Fast Redemption. O5. Chief druid. The Pope in Sicily.
The kayak. Niagara Falls. Transilvania Waterfalls.

This is a very amusing position. The 12th house is in fact one of
the rising Sun and the Sun rises with Sedna in spring.

Portraying Eva archetype. Bewitched by dangerous charms.

Seductive position? Secret dream of every man. The bad girl
is not very bad when mine or in my dreams. Women capturing
and fixing man's attention to their low cakras. Perhaps
lingerie like stockings, suspenders, most probably large
hips, body shape a-la-Sophia Loren (needs other Venusian
- Lunar aspects to confirm to?).

The witch, her eyes. Feigning

The 1st, 6th and 12th houses are most certainly connected to
marine ecology, the sea and a sort of initiation. See also
Varuna delineation. The first house is like the song of the
old sea, the 6th enmeshes sea's secrets and is dangerous.
Fire at the sea bottom? The 12th house is like the release
from the sea, shooting up and forth, killing the raven of time.

Sedna strangely wards off large animals, albeit near by Menkar
attracts them. No large or wild animal will harm, but hazard
seems imminent and rather obvious. Risky circuswork pays off.

Crows pertain to Puck as Oberon should not be distant. Puck
and Oberon and gods who haunt this place.

Raven was the _silent_ priestess (Binah :|||: of Avalon.
We expect some dignified silent compO5ture along with bad
omens or at least clarvoyancy here.

Portraying Eva (ChVH) archetype. Enticing sad libido. The
dangerous woman. Bewitched by her charms.

Animals are often demons. Adam gave the names to all of the
demons.

Unihipili is the grasshopper of kahuuna lore. True Mind is a little
thing, generally dominated by the default mind. Cities are the same,
just skycreepers nowdays, minds are more or less default. Defaulters
go around consuming default. Only True Mind saves from the flood.

The Unihipili article is pasted below. Truemind emerges:
http://puck.dhs.org/venexia/unihipili

Trueming and moksha are the same. Liberation from Sednaquas.

Be extra careful with 6th and 7th house planets, as well as
1st and 7th house placements as most astrological programs
mistake the real positions, assuming the Sun rises in Due East.
E.g. many of you have Neptune in 6th and not in 7th as the program
shows. This is due to southern latutude and due western horizon.

We don't suppose the house Franz Bardon has his own Sedna in,
as we introduce it here for the sake of record. Sedna is
overaspected
in the magus incarnation horoscope but it is most remarkably the
Saturn Mars midpoint as it seems responsable for the magician's
captivity. Namely the nazi and a black lodge succeeded in
torturing
the magus. This is a complex subject and horoscope I must leave
to more expert times. http://puck.dhs.org/sedna frabato

Frabato's supposed troubles with the undines and watery element
had a happy ending after dire danger. The depths are there to
teach.

In direction:

An incarnated nymph. One way communication. Secret love affair
which is the same love affair within the same sincere and open
love affair. Discovering one's 12th house as the treasurehouse
of images (Thesairon Eidolon). Going to the extreme of the
extremes.

Kayak man. Entering one's deep programs. Becoming one with the
boot
sector. Not facing oneself any more but being oneself. Discovering
oneself, one's own true passions. Hodden places. Marshes, ebbs.

Lurid marshes flies dry sick ground Then the sea. Water
inundating.

The song of the sea. Sea inside sea outside. Communion with the
sea.

Tibet. Himalaya. Dalai Lama as the Sea of Consciousness.

Modest tourism. Dirty beaches. The morbid fashion of the coast
liners. Sounds lead to second attention. Sea shells. There is
no Shell Beach. Unihipili. The reemergence of Truemind.

Aquas.

In direction can mean also Sedna transiting the 12th house or
Sedna in teh 12th solar return house.

http://puck.dhs.org/venexia/unihipili

(C) 2004 Klaudio Zic http://puck.dhs.org/sedna

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One should not be misled by non-astrologers who "think" Sedna is in
Taurus. It will slip in Taurus from Cetus in a couple of years (up
coming article, coupling Venus' approach to Hydra and 2004 DW).

Sedna 531.657634 0.857434 11.9304 144.4929 311.8271 53200.5
357.8815 1.7
2003VB12 531.657634 0.857434 11.9304 144.4929 311.8271 53200.5
357.8815 1.7

Sedna is of course delineated in Cetus. It happens that 2004 DW
is in Hydra, Quaoar in Ophiucus and so on. All this constellations
are not only ascendantal, they're also zodiacal.
http://puck.dhs.org/28

Sedna is _not_ in Taurus yet. In a couple of years, 2004 DW becomes
actual, with Venus approaching Hydra (Venus is heading towards Orion
this summer; see "Venus in Orion" article http://puck.dhs.org/extra)
while Sedna changes constelation. Sedna's constellation change seems
remarkable, since it does not happen too often. Pluto most often than
not skips Pisces and Aries, heading through Cetus towards Taurus;
Sedna dives in much the same fashion, generally speaking. This will
puzzle the tropical astrologer, but then the days of tropicana were
counted at least ten years ago. "Jungian" 5-asteroid astrologers are
lO5t in some newagish hell. We stand at a new frontier called Oort's
cloud and those who are purpO5ely unaware of 1992 QB1 are hopelessly
10 years late. Meaning Interenet will swarm with "delineations" made
by people who have decent ideas about Chiron and deal with Vesta and
a couple of main-belt asteroids (major asteroid Eunomia excluded).

People not familiar with centaurs, SDO, cubewano and plutino objects
will be puzzled at Sedna. Ready ideas won't help much. They should
delineate 2004 DW, since it "has no name". Yahooing for deep
mythological cut'n'paste delineations won't make an astrologer.

Sedna can be delineated by people who delineated 1992 QB1. They will
know it's nature and will apply a long tested _method_, testing the
orbit, perihelion, applying mythology with taste where required. This
kind of folk has no problem delineating an "unnamed" object.

Varuna, Ixion and Quaoar were all un-named when delineated.

Sedna is not named yet. It is still 2003 VB12.

Abouts:

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( Cetus bis )

Why Cetus? Because it is a _zodiacal_ constellation. Misconceptions
have the zodiac a 12 constellation ring, when it is a 13 (Ophiucus!)
constellation ring as concerns the Sun. The Sun journeys through
13 constellations. But the Moon, Pluto and the planets journey
through 28 constellations! This is largely out of reach for the
practical (?) 12zodiacal (often "tropical") astrologer. This
astrologer is _not_ concerned with the way things are (or were),
he deals with inexisting positions, impossible conjunctions,
immersed in a virtual simplified equinoctial model of the
constellations, good enough for some old egyptian primary
school perhaps, but not good at all for serious research.
No wonder astronomers keep laughing at tropical astrologers:
they deserve it in many ways. So do the siderealists and the
vedic. All of them refuse to take a simple glance at the sky.

Cruithne in Auriga is probably NOT a zodiacal position.
A very tiny stripe of Auriga _is_ zodiacal. Therefore not
all of the Auriga constellation _is_ zodiacal. This is largely
unknown among astronomers. In fact after my own amateuresearch
it is by sheer chance I've found a couple of astronomers who
worked on this problem back in 1977. perhaps on this planet
there's more than 5 astronomers aware of the 28 zodiac, but
in my modest life I have no feedback that it is so. Please
feedback! If we have no zodiac, we have no astrology!

When you hear about 2002 AA29 in Lepus or NEAT in Eridanus,
you may doubt zodiacality, but Moon in Auriga is in fact a
zodiacal position. The zodiacal is or should be defined as
the strip the planets travel through, right!?

Studying the strip is our business. Now when Saturn is in
Orion it means Orion is a zodical position, since a planet
like Saturn (and other planets, too) resides in this most
enchanted constellation.

Centaurean astrologers have the opportunity to study 2002
AA29 and the centaurs in the most wonderful and meaning
positions like the Pi (ANKh) stars of Orion; the malefic
Xi stars (Xi2 WTC Usama). Bellatrix, Betelguese, but
also Al Nitak, Al Nilam (O5IRIS penis!). Mintaka is Dalai
Lama's ascendant, thus Orion is not only a zodiacal
constellation (time and aeon permitting!), but also
an ascendental constellation. Bellatrix lovers will
... love it! Bellatrix is of course not any near Gemini,
what do you think? http://puck.dhs.org/nu /O5IRIS

More Abouts:

Orion and Tapir http://puck.dhs.org/nu
Enuma Elish, Tiamat, Nibiru http://puck.dhs.org/usenet.html
Valentine Centaur http://puck.dhs.org/centaurs /2004CJ39
Quaoar http://puck.dhs.org/quaoar /quaoar.html
Transneptunians http://puck.dhs.org/2003 /tno
All Objects on http://groups.google.com
Archives http://www.escribe.com/theory/puck
Ixion & the Centaurs intro http://puck.dhs.org/usenet.html

= Sedna = http://puck.dhs.org

Sedna is our first big Oort cloud object.

It is a cold distant world.

Where is Sedna? It is coupled with Venus and Menkar at this time.
This objects can be observed e.g. in the evening in Europe. The
"planet" or Oort cloud object is in Cetus constellaton.

(C) 2004 Klaudio Zic http://puck.dhs.org/sedna

= Sedna delineation =

This particullary happy delineation is completely free of any
apocalyptic omen that was glooming our astrology in the case
of 2004 DW and Quaoar http://puck.dhs.org/28 /c/

At the time I am checking this, Sedna is still officially
a centaur object. Source: Harvard MPC. I leave my old notes
here for historical reasonsand amusements. After all, it
_is_ the history of astrology!

Since the article was written before any NASA communication,
the only way I can call 2003 VB12 is an Oort Cloud Object
(OCO). Thus the object is not a "supercentaur" and the
classes of objects have increased by one. We have the
first real Oort Cloud Object. 2004 DW is a KBO, a plutino.

The hacking went like this: Chad's site contained a
/sedna directory, but the objet's name wa wrong: 2003 VB16.
We recall there was a change in designation (I remember a
mail exchange with Jon Giorgini of NASA JPL, roughly November
2003). Now NASA JPL did not have 2003 VB12 on it's server
(the better to warm up expectation?), and I guess it was
unavailable from Harvard. But we had the object in our
data bases and were able to delineate before the announcment!

The larger public had no idea of the nature of the object
but we did remember something we used to call (?) supercentaur.
Obscure are the paths of astrology. I am writing this very
obscure notes having in mind the youngsters that are liable
to read this. Hacking on daily basis won't be anything but
joy for the new generation!

When I resimulated 2003 VB12 Sedna I saw it was in Cetus.
Excellent. So it is of course not in any "decent" constellation.
We have everything to say about Cetus, you and I, don't we?
And, what a lucky coincidence! Sedna itself is the Whale Queen!
They will surely proclaim it (and I agree!) eco-terrorist!
The night before the announcement apparently on impulse and for
no special reasons I insisted myself into listening to
dolphin music. It is thus that intuition puffs starpowder our
way. One can actually _talk_ to a "planet" instead of just
checking charts and houses. I did that e.g. with mysterious
Vestalis of the Lutz Rathke planets (see darkplanets).

Briefly checking with MPC on Mar 18th I see they still have
2003 VB12 under "centaurs". There's much hype and politic$
in all this Sedna mess. 2003 VB12 has been known to us since
November 2003, whatever it's designation, object class or
purpose. There was no need to hide it on purpO5e before some
"official" presentation. I noticed the NASA JPL HORIZONS Sun
Sparc slowed down since the D-day for Sedna

We are familiar with the object as it's designation changed
from 2003 VB16 to 2003 VB12. It was discovered last year and
variousely scheduled as "centaur". The somewhat obscure
designation was made still more obscure by quoting 2003 VB16
on the official discovery page (more or less a "hidden" one).

While this article is the product of a "hack" before any NASA
communication, it nevertheless confirms to several points in
the nature of the object, known or unknown. The delineation
is not mythology-based at this time.

Sedna is in Cetus in most horoscopes. This means you can have
Sedna rising along with your Cetus ascendant. Cetus rising in
the East is a daily matter. The Moon is in Cetus once or twice
a month and the maps show other objects of interest in this
zodiacal constelation http://puck.dhs.org/extra/cetus

Astronomers have determined Cetus is a zodiacal constellation
around 1977. The true astronomical zodiac thus consists of 28
constellations http://puck.dhs.org/28 some of them ascendental
meaning they can rise in due east at this time and age.

When the Moon or Venus are in Cetus, they are delineated in that
constellation. Pluto can be in Cetus but it cannot be in Aries or
Pisces. The simscans show Pluto and the lanets in Cetus.
http://puck.dhs.org/extra /cetus

Cetus http://puck.dhs.org /extra /cetus is a zodiacal constellation
since the planets, Pluto and the Moon, as well as a variety of minor
planets swarm this large and legendary constellation.

The Moon is in Cetus once or twice a month and will visit this part
of the sky in the summer months, too, e.g. around Aug 4th 2004.

The seventh house is the region above the western horizon.
Horizons can play tricks in Inuit regions, where the Sun
is said to rise in the West at times. /d/

We use astronomy to determine the horizon. Sedna above the
western horizon warrants a sincere relationship.

The object is full of dolphin energy. Several spiritual groups
use to initiate their members into astral dolphin realms, as
one can meet his dolphin guide. This guides are very faithful.

The houses full of dolphin energy are the 7th and 2nd houses.
The 2nd house is below the horizon (which is seldom true in
so-called popular tropical calculus). http://puck.dhs.org/28

A particulary painful situation is marked with Sedna in Nadir
position (due North). AVE MARIA STELLA MARIS. The bitter sea
of discreation treats our ships like nutshells. Qlippoth are
disposed of as the salt doll becomes One with the Ocean through
pain and grief. Pierced is the Heart of our Queen. This is Sedna
in grief. The position is not very good for lovers and marriage
as one of the two might resort to black voodoo, possibly...
(Note this is a provisory delineation only!).

The 4th house is one of grief, suggesting repentance. Perhaps
family affairs smeck of bitter Binah energy as Sedna sinks our
hopes as if aided by her shaman raven husband. This is clearly
a classical Saturn in Libra vibration.

The stars are spirits, rather than mere gas. The transneptunian
KBO (cubewano, plutino) are more than mere icy rocks. Inorganic
beings initiate the magus, as they are often classified as stars.

The errors of tropical astrology are many. See Alan Leo under
http://puck.dhs.org/nu for an initiation into horizons proper.

Notes:

Students study 2004 DW in Crater. http://puck.dhs.org/28 /2004DW

Fish-nets extend to Internet. Caught in the midst of the Net.
Sacrificed. Short lived? Tranquil, blessed, good salary. Immune
to any attack. Those are some of the + and - keys to be classified.

2003 VB12 "Sedna" ( this is an "early" note, the ephemeris should
be fairly reliable by the time one reads this )

If we don't want to be _too_ precise, Crowley's Sedna is
"tropically" at 2 Aries of longitude. We can "integrate"
precisely, for Lord Krsna and Buddha, too; but at this
stage we are happy with an "estimation".

1875-Jun-06 00:00 2.6384036 -7.6638753
1875-Sep-25 00:00 2.3307673 -7.7446282

Crowley

The ephemeris were produced online by Jon Giorgini's HORIZONS
integrator, NASA JPL, Pasadena, CA.

/a/ http://puck.dhs.org/nu /5gram MIKAL as Regulus.

/b/ Scores of modern astrologers and myriads of clients enjoy the
wrong position here. Many have e.g. Neptune in 6th when it should
be in the 7th house. Check Alan and Dane http://puck.dhs.org/nu
for clues. It might well be your case. The same applies for the
12th and 1st house switch and (work in progress) seemingly even
for the 5th/8th house switch in some odd cases (?).

/c/ Varuna wasn't a happy delineation either. Ixion bore some joy,
majik, perhaps even fair sex, achemy and variety. Varuna smecked
evil gods and Quaoar pushed us into war. Darkplanet Lamia
conjunct
Pluto prepared the jihad stage. Now the jihad scenary is
strangely
quiet and no atomic bombs were set in metropolic undergrounds.
This
puts us off guard, which is always good for someone.

/d/ Quoting Curly Mae from Alkavik. Ne pivo

Looking for an OMEN is like looking for NEMO. NEMO is the Magister
Templi, the One who has no other, one that has lost his self. Mind
less and sharkproof, one expands in infinite oceans without shores.

The object can be directed. Here an example of a transit. Sedna
squaring natal Uranus in transit and the owner of the position
gets involved in an airplane (Uranus) war. Let it be noted that
the airplanes flew one meter above the surface of the sea, thus
invisible to radars. The conflict ended almost without casualities.

Abouts:

Enuma Elish, Tiamat, Nibiru http://puck.dhs.org/usenet.html
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac
Constellation Zodiac http://puck.dhs.org/nu
Valentine Centaur http://puck.dhs.org/centaurs /2004CJ39
Quaoar http://puck.dhs.org/quaoar /quaoar.html
Transneptunians http://puck.dhs.org/2003 /tno
All Objects on http://groups.google.com
Archives http://www.escribe.com/theory/puck
Ixion & the Centaurs intro http://puck.dhs.org/usenet.html
Our Newsgroup: news://aurora.lightlink.com/alt.clearing.O5
Updates: http://puck.dhs.org/ng.html
Updates: http://puck.dhs.org/2004DW
Extrazodiacal Astrology http://puck.dhs.org/extra

/* Sedna, astrology, delineation, horoscope, 2004 DW, Quaoar,
puck.dhs.org, Oort Cloud, 2003 VB12, new planet?, Oort cloud
object, Pluto+not+planet, astrological, 12 houses, ephemeris,
NASA JPL, alt.astrology.moderated */


= 2004 DW Delienation =

Since babies born at this time often have Hydra ascending,
many of them are already "marked" with a 2004 DW ascendant!

= 2004 DW = http://puck.dhs.org/2004DW Updates
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac

It seems we have a new object in astrology. While Quaoar
was delineated in Ophiucus, 2004 is in Hydra, both snaky
zodiacal constellations. Many of you have Sun in Ophiucus
but nobody in Hydra. Planets, minor planets, as well as
the ascendant are nevertheless often in Hydra, an interesting
long constellation as concerns size, depth and mythology.

Hydra ascending with 2004 DW for newborn babies shown for
various locations, 5 pm Glasgow, 17:11 Rio, 16:30 Charlotte, NC.
Various appendixes incorporated in this text, as well
as the newsgroup and our Archives explain the mysterious
facets of 28zodiac astrology while introducing new ones.
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac
(C) 2003 Klaudio Zic http://puck.dhs.org/ng.html

2004 DW in Canis Minor: Death, lost battle, ressurectiOM.
Slain god cults.

2004 DW in Orion: 1957 was a peculiar year, indeed.
Family values, new colors and sounds,
leisure, fun, atomic bomb. Sicherheit
zu Erste. Protection is the main
pO5sessiOM. Orators can be sincere.

2004 DW in Hydra: Dangerous waters! (present position).
One sleeps on sexualaurels. Lolita.
Lady Scarlet is teen!

Since babies born at this time often have Hydra ascending,
many of them are already "marked" with a 2004 DW ascendant!

2004 DW in Sextans: The Messiah. 2007 Venus in Hydra?

2004 DW in Crater: The time of the false prophets. LegislatiOM.

2004 DW in Corvus: Oberon and Puck revived in druidic England
and Syria. Dolphin cults. Inspection and
spiritual protection. The Holy Raven.

(C) 2004 Klaudio Zic http://puck.dhs.org/2004DW /ng.html

Time to discover your own position and those of your future
children and favorite tiranitoes. We will use genuine ancient
ways (stargazing) whernever it's possible to capture 2004 DW
's message, more or less messianic.

Updates on: http://puck.dhs.org/2004DW

666 is no longer alone

2004 DW in the 6th house is the Whore of the Apocalypse.

Babalon's Progress
2004 DW off Tiamat's Back and into the Apocalypse
Will your daughter be born with Venus in Hydra?

Largest discovery after Pluto! http://puck.dhs.org /2004DW
Astromajikal Delineation and Update, Mar 5th 2004.
See = Adenda = for astrological novices, curious and the expert!
(C) 2004 Klaudio Zic http://puck.dhs.org /ng.html

Note that we dismiss it's "position in Leo" as unsensical.
Your local astronomer will, of course, agree. Your shaman
will agree. Nature agrees. Star gazing confirms. So there's
no need to pay attention to "2004 DW in Leo" gibberish.
When and if it's in Leo sometimes, we'll let you know.
It may as well be it never reaches Leo proper. Pluto never
reaches Aries or Pisces, so that would be no surprise!

Introduction for the general reader:

True Zodiac = Albeit generally assumed (?) the zodiac has
13 constellations, it has in fact 28 constellations (or 29
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac
if we split Serpens Cauda from Serpens Caput). Hydra is
not only zodiacal, but also ascendental, meaning many of
you were born with Hydra ascending (since occult is at
stake). One cannot e.g. have Aries ascending in due east.
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac

The 28zodiac has an astronomical rationale. After my own
modest research triumphing in indian summer 2003, I have
found by sheer chance a research has been conducted in
the late seventies as a couple of astronomers (NC U.S.A.
and Belgium) with the results published in popular format.
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac

The zodiac has 28 constellations, and if we exclude Pluto
as planet (something already largely proposed), it has a
convenient number of 24 (but astrlogers will use 25)
constellations. This has nothing to do with outdated
vedic calc and has everything to do with IAU.

Giant Transneptunians = objects larger than the main belt
asteroids (e.g. Eunomia or Vesta). They are usually fall
into cubewano (Varuna) or plutino (Ixion) class. The SDO
or Scattered Disk Objects are also taken into account.
Since 1992 we have discovered 800 transneptunians.

Centaurs = popular lively objects "closer" to us. Chariklo
and Hylonome are female centaurs. Among the others Cyllarus,
Thereus, Nessus, Pelion, Chiron, Elatus, Pholus, 2004 CJ39.

Extrazodiacal = A convenient term that may drop out soon
as it served it's purpose. It may even create some confusion
when Pluto is degraded as plutino. Use "28 Constellations
Zodiac" to upgrade from http://puck.dhs.org/28

Disposing of Pluto, we are left with a convenient (?) 24
constellations zodiac. In that cases constellations such
as Bootes would be called "extrazodiacal", along with Pluto's
(a.k.a. "out of bounds") "extreme" = extrazodiacal positions.

Ascendant = Eastern constellation and inorganic being (especially
head or ascended master-star). Aries cannot ascend in due east at
this time and age, but it used to at the time when Crater was an
ascendental constellation, too. http://puck.dhs.org/nu 4examples.
http://puck.dhs.org/extra for "extrazodiacal" (! constellations.

One note:

The "13th" constellation is Ophiucus, a large strip of the zodiac.
As the Sun spends an average of (roughly!) six days in Scorpius, it
slips by Ixion into Ophiucus to meet Quaoar, Pluto, 2002 MS4 there,
along with the Moon, Mercury, Venus and (all) other planets, as well.

For Pluto and Jupiter in Ophiucus see = Adenda = at the bottom of
this article. At the time you read this, Pluto may be moving into
Scutum (the resent position of Juno!: see Juno-minded appendix).

Have a planet in Ophiucus? Search http://groups.google.com for
"Sun in Ophiucus" or "Venus in Ophiucus" delineations. That
applies for Saturn or Venus in Orion and other 28zodiacal
poO5itions, "Venus in Hydra" including.
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac

(continued)

Whatever difficult position you may have in your nativity,
hard work benefits. Monastery discipline is needed to overcome
this object's influence. Abramelin would particulary elaborate
on it, but we have Elipinon! http://www.lava.net/~pagios

Statements like "2004 DW in Leo" have no sense. By the way,
Pluto is never in Aries or Pisces. http://puck.dhs.org/nu
Hydra is a long thing, so 2004 DW's journey through Hydra
roughly lasts 12 years. You can have Hydra ascending, of
course, in your own natal chart (but you can't have e.g.
Aries ascending). 2004 DW in Hydra roughly 1984 - 2006.

Parenting in 2007? You are not alone, either.

See also "Venus in Hydra". The site abounds with data
pointing to possible special incarnations, especially in 2007!
Parents should exercise extra timing and ritual!

It seems like the devils blow their 13th trombone
After giant Quaoar http://puck.dhs.org/enter.html
we have 2004 DW. Lady Scarlet of the Apocalypse
bathes in her poisonous pool as female monsters
rise. Whoever saith antiChrist's a male?????????????
The site includes the calculations and birthright of the
antichrists. Will your daughter be born with Venus in Hydra?

Lady antiChrist born yet? It may well be that cynical half
jests and obscure astronomical hints nevertheless hide the
truth. Masonry knows the starry Snake crowned with the Moon.
Now when Venus approaches Hydra and the Moon brushes by...
Venus is the maiden, Hydra (the Snake) and the Moon are part
to the apocalyptical scenary. Prayers addressed to Holy Mary
will be successful, as She counters the dramatic scenary with
central return, peace and concentratiOM.

Our blood is poison to the lips of the Beast!

An object larger than Quaoar has been recently discovered.
This article will require some familiarity with the True
Zodiac made of 28 constellations. Those include Hydra,
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac
(Tiamat, with it's demons-ministers-sattelites, riding on
it's back) Sextans, Crater, Corvus. Since Chariklo is a
centaur, and so is 2004 CJ39, some knowledge about the
centaur objects seems welcome. For an early Quaoar delineation
use: http://puck.dhs.org/quaoar/quaoar.html Important
objects like 2002 AW197 must be studied, too. One can
use http://groups.google.com or our own search engines
to obtain early delineations of any centaur or transneptunian.

The greatest discovery after Pluto, 2004 DW receives it's
first delineation. As we had Quaoar in houses, so we have

2004 DW in Houses

The largest discovery after Pluto may be the Devil Himself
for some and Loving Guardian Angel for the rest. Such is
it's dual nature. Man has two minds and it is 2004 DW that
makes them clash asunder towards the apocalyptic End of Time.
2004 DW in Houses

(C) 2004 Klaudio Zic http://puck.dhs.org /ng.html

Among the predictable and average errors will be this object's
assignation to "tropical Leo", an unexisting and absolutely foul
preassumption of the poor mind. 2004 is not nearly in Leo, it is
in Hydra. Worse: it is not heading towards any "astrological"
constellation, as the illustrations clearly show and purporting
text discusses in some (even mythological) detail.

The other gross errors will spring from the aspects of 2004 DW.
People assume the zodiac is some kind of ring. It is a belt
made of 28 constellations (not 13). While 2004 DW may hold
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac
extrazodiacal positions (kind of tricky to check out), it
nevertheless perfectly occupies _zodiacal_ constellations,
such as Hydra, Sextans, Crater, Corvus, Orion, Aquila, to
mention some. Venus is in Orion this summer so Orion is a
zodiacal constellation. This truism will puzzle alanleist
astrologers, more than his own inabillity to calc his chart.

http://puck.dhs.org/nu /alan.leo /dane.rudhyar (corrections)

Some will assume a distant Sun has this or that aspect, even
conjunction with 2004 DW, while the objects will be constellations
apart. This is largely an error with stars, such as Beta Persei
or Scheat (or 2002 TX300 giant transneptunian) and a variety
(actually majority!) of objects (including some planets!) with
"out-of-bound" (bound?) positions, e.g. "extreme" (???)
declinations. First he assumes the zodiac has 12 (???) "signs"
(?????), then he assumes all planet(oid)s "glide" along the
same (fairly circular) track. Then errors spring. People
already fancy conjunctions and even squares, since no one
told them (you tell what you know) the basics. People thinking
the zodiac has 13 (or even 12) "signs" are genuinely and raving
equinoctially mad. For all practical (?) purposes we assume Pluto
is a planet, and so most of you do assume there is something like
a 12 sign zodiac. One took some school drafts too seriousely.

Updates on: http://puck.dhs.org/2004DW

(C) 2004 Klaudio Zic http://puck.dhs.org /ng.html

In North Carolina there's an observatory that knows the 28 zodiacal
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac
constellations. And there's an astronomer in Belgium that agrees.
The truth must be told to the ahstrological communtity (even if they
won't listen), since there are rare "incarnations" among them that
have "astrological" (or even astronomical) aspects in their charts.
A few of them could study astrology. This would rise the number of
astrologers on this planet from perhaps half a dozen to dozenful.

(This is the first annotation, rough keywords used.)
The houses are usually numerated and "understood" in
a crooked way, e.g. the house of the rising Sun is
labeled 12th, and has a particullary bad reputation.

Let us be certain that the devil installs minds. Astrologers
have minds. The suggestion is to use 12th=1st, 11th=2nd and
so on. It is still better to use a 28 house system (allowing
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac
29 for Caput and cauda Serpentis) in our fully operative and
astronomically precise 28 constellation zodiac.

1. Lamia. Three watersnakes with female faces seduce the youth
like Ida Pingala and Shushumna. Study Aquila and Leo. Alchemy.

Three maidens hold together. The Lamia. This is an apocalyptic
version of the three graces. Lips venomed with poison?

Deep Yin winning without making a move Clearing a dispute
without a sound. The silent, yet intriguing presence of the
beloved. I promessi sposi. Ea bissa (Cae dea Bissa).

She says she does not like to bathe in the sea.

Virgin Lamia. The original kundalini business.
Virgin and proud. Lamia's first and last love.

666 is allone, even after a ritual with a compatible Beast.
NEM0's whiteness is not like silvery apparition. Brahma's
womb is not sunnya sunnyata. Voidless Void. O5 NETI NETI.
Final annihilation. Loneliness. There's N0 0NE BUT ME!

Agent Smith's "Me, me, me!". Projection. Futile riches.
Gay cataclysm. Satan. The Fall. Ecliptic times. The primal
wound. Left body stirring. The Dark Side. The triumph of
Naga Sadow. All fall! Hell is white.

The three-in-one vampirelike monster of the pool is however
devoured by their victim after having sex with him. Lamia is
not a bad alternative (to Aiwass) for this object, at least
while it venoms our perception pool with triurne kundalini.

Wav files as opposed to mp3 files. Waves as opposed to life
compression. cOMpress time, rather than life. Don't waste a
second. Gulp it up. Devour the day.

Scarlet Lady masquerading as watermonster? Don't we have
submarines? /1/

Be extra careful with 6th and 7th house planets, as well as
1st and 7th house placements as most astrological programs
mistake the real positions, assuming the Sun rises in Due East.
E.g. many of you have Neptune in 6th and not in 7th as the program
shows. This is due to southern latutude and due western horizon.

2. You give too much of your energy. This is bad for money
matters. Jesus Christ was ultimately sold. The formula
of the dying God. Do not lend on interest. Save yourself
first. Keep some for yourself.

Your vital energy is beng sucked through as the vampire gets
away with it. The sacrifice was accepted by the greedy inorganic,
yet there is no receipt note or thanksgiving or anything in left
in exchange.

Hell's entrance. PORTA INFERNA. Set in the Desert. Lucifer.
Particularly demoniac with Venus Lucifer position (in Hydra).

Lost aircrafts. Highjacking. Deliberately shot airplane.

3. Good will prevail. True Mind triumphs in Silence and Intent.
This is bad for merchandize, ego, transactions and the devil.
Roughly meaning there is sympathy between the devil and the
merchant.

Satan's source code. The MatriX. The well of the snakes.
Hell protecting the water of life. Black shiatsu.

4. Excellent for homely matters. Cosy home. Warm familiar
atmosphere. A Note: but that may take quitesome time!
A promise of a warm hearth, even if family life has
been less than ideal up to now. Note that we use the
nadir or due North instead of mere I.C.

Note that with Hydra North this is the Pool of the Lamia.
A sort of Scarlet Lady's basin (of the blood of the saints).
Love all serve bloody all.

A very good position! Angel guardian. Homework for my students:
when Hydra is due North, what do we face South? Love, lover,
love affairs, friendly dispO5ition, basic sincere friendship,
true communism, spirit of alliance, the ally, inorganic help.

An ally-angel carries the acolyte beyond this world.
"We will rock you little snake", devil rocked and warm in the
cradle of fillit, and one gets away without it! Liberation
with the help of the ascended Masters. Heads. Nadiric angel.

Time to study your own chart's Nadir to determine your Angel
of the Nadir. Rather tricky if you are familiar with I.C. only!

Evocation of the nadiric inorganic entity. Sure success in all.
This is also a disk Cretely fair material situation, all goes
well.

In horary astrology: SHE LOVES YOU!

We can predict the rise of Nadiric astrology at this point!
Too early since our horaries can't calc the Moon

5. Unsure of one's own jealousy. Too reserved or outspoken
to be provoked into jealousy. One may even wish well one's
own rival. The ultimate vendetta is Love. The futile triumph
of the jealousy agent provocateur. Jealousy countered from
the very start. Expert jealousy v/s juvenile training.

Love is particullary stressed with Venus (and 2004 DW) in
Cancer (the conjunctions in Hydra are interesting, and
Sextans is yet another remarkable zodiacal constellation,
rather inclined towards loneliness).

Love will devour everything, it's own vampire including.

Turn around from lovesex. Get rid of that partner.
Sex as escape. Release of sperm and kundalini overweight.

This is surely not a kundalinic obesity pO5sition.

Touch'n'go!

One night stand.

6. Queen Mother. Mother Mary!

Indulgence. Love all serve all. Devour all?

The apparition of Mother Mary. Vision of deity.
Possibly genuine vision!

Stoopig dragon? Satan bowing to the Redeemer?

Artemides gave herself to All (Pan)
and thus remained Virgin.

The whore (serve all). Scarlet Lady.

"Our Lady Babalon".

A harlot will learn.

To banish (discreate), use sibiline verse addressed to Holy
Queen Mother as given below.

Be extra careful with 6th and 7th house planets, as well as
1st and 7th house placements as most astrological programs
mistake the real positions, assuming the Sun rises in Due East.
E.g. many of you have Neptune in 6th and not in 7th as the program
shows. This is due to southern latutude and due western horizon.

Black Majik or new banishing rituals with Mars.

7. Excellent for marriage. Note that we use the western horizon
instead of tropical astrology descendant. See our correction
of Rudhyar and Leo http://puck.dhs.org /alan.leo /dane.rudhyar

The wife as best enemy of the devil inside. Shy hermit is not
Christ in hiding? Magdalen the Savior. Ciesa dea Madalena
http://puck.dhs.org/venexia Piglet saving the Tiger.
Invisible wife's allies, familiaries, the fallen, meek shall
florish. Non-persons. An inorganic wife (dwarfish or orkish
rather than undine).

Sedna's dolphins entwined are quite the opposite to the triurne
Lamia of 2004 DW. Aloof Sedna has much love, but 2004 DW is a
dangerous siren. Luckily for the thick skinned magus, 2004 DW
will bite only to die from the poisonous magician's blood.

Be extra careful with 6th and 7th house planets, as well as
1st and 7th house placements as most astrological programs
mistake the real positions, assuming the Sun rises in Due East.
E.g. many of you have Neptune in 6th and not in 7th as the program
shows. This is due to southern latutude and due western horizon.

8. Fertile impregnation. The watersnake. Tiamat raging in War.
The vampire fertilized. Meditate on the 47.

Vagina with teeth (various northamerican legends, tibetan
mandalas). Samsara as devouring entity. Merchandizing.
Quarrel. Third party intruding. Cutting off heads, punishing,
cutting off legs. Legal constraint. Bribery? Jack of axe.

Extreme severity in legislation. The law, the model.
Making love through the barricades (Spandau Ballet).

The wars are for the intelligent to learn. In war 2004 DW is
madness and religious paranoia. Holy wars were announced by
darkplanet Nemesis-Lamia conjunct Puto, Varuna and of course
Quaoar. http://puck.dhs.org/usenet.html

Schizodarknesseeks religious centre. O5 gives spheremajikal
geometrical barycentre. Aikido. Keep one point. Concentration.
Sex is, after all, one point! Phallic Sun, ejaculaion. The
birth of a good and religious child. He shall travel.

World religions apartunited by Lady Babalamia.

Be extra careful with 6th and 7th house planets, as well as
1st and 7th house placements as most astrological programs
mistake the real positions, assuming the Sun rises in Due East.
E.g. many of you have Neptune in 6th and not in 7th as the program
shows. This is due to southern latutude and due western horizon.

Sometimes the errors and misconceptions expand to the 8th and
5th house. It is possible that people have several planets in
the wrong houses.

9. Passion. Dissipation. This is not good for the Spirit.
As they nibble the fruit of my flesh, I feel no pain.

Evil mantras will not have their way. Angelic operation in
the deep hells. Devahans under attack. Lord Shiva firing
his Trisula. Major discreation. Learning the secret of
the House of Hell. Intelligence and commando. dr. John
Dee (agent 007 of H.R.H.) inspecting enochian domains.

This position is fertile ground for the student. Forget
Vitriol 726 and concentrate on the Sound of Victory.
Left body stirring (but how!). Secret operation.
Global manipulation. The Dark Lodges. Our Lady Babalon.

10. Go for that partner. Climb social steeps. Or let thy weight
roll downhill, instead of pushing it up. Thelema. Khaled Khan.
Hydra at the meridian. The zenith of the 28 constellation
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac
zodiac. Holy Marraiage. Alchemical or tantric partnership.
See also Ixion and Pylenor, as well as Sedna in the 10th
house. http://puck.dhs.org/usenet.html

Salvador Dali was born a month from Liber al Vel Legis.
He seems to perfectly fit the above definition, at least
in thelemitic terms. 2004 DW is M.C. with the Moon.

Social climber, indeed. The partner is paramount.


11. Legal interference. A disturbance in the Force.
The waters of the pool stirred?

This does not seem a bad position at all.
There is lot to work and learn and students and masters gat
along fine. There's willingness to learn.

Bad karma is dispelled.

12. Love divine. Moksha. True Love. Especially favorable with
Venus in Cancer. Less favorable with Venus in Hydra, Sextans.
Chariklo in Crater should be taken into account. The Graal.
We all have loved you, acolyte (says Lamia-Kundalini-Maya).

Original illumination. One shuns followers and is himSelf
begging no advantageous gods.

This is what Herman Hesse wrote of.

Be extra careful with 6th and 7th house planets, as well as
1st and 7th house placements as most astrological programs
mistake the real positions, assuming the Sun rises in Due East.
E.g. many of you have Neptune in 6th and not in 7th as the program
shows. This is due to southern latutude and due western horizon.


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Prayers shall be addressed to Holy Mary The Queen of Omniverse.

457 Yilin transl. Robert Matushan boyler(at)hidden-city.net

" Troubles are dissolved and worries are removed, with the help of
the Queen Mother, participating in happiness all arrive and I can
live in peace. "

Let this Han dynasty verse discreate apprehension ("verso" means
"I sip" (pour) in italian" and establish the rulership of the good
Queen of Omniverse om mahalaxmyai namah (Holy Mary for christians).

The siren voice of senses is thus hushed. Hydra launches kundalini
up (and down!) the spine, hardly purified, indeed. When kundalini
is not pure ( alt.clearing.O5 ), then

When the siren cries, we launch p+sitive mantras, rather than just
tap our ears! ( And whle inner and outer blend, we can "discreate"
that voice as inner. Let it be noted that that's a long way from
evocation and intercourse with the inorganic. The Lamia event is
what we call sex with the vampire (to the ultimate detriment of
the vampire). Our blood is poison for the lips of the Beast!

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Love will devour everything, it's own vampire including.

Bad keys:

47 the vampire, one's life force gulped up by one's personal
devil or "voladero", the three Lamia or kundalinic watersnakes
sucking up the young acolyte's sexual energy, oral sex as path
to paradisisiac planets (not to moksha), swallowing sperm (as
in the vedas), kundalini as vampyre, Kali trumphant as killer,
jealousy, unwillingness to sumbit to good and (perhaps) obvious
authority, flaming with pride, unable to respect local/native
customs, lawless, troubled karma, intruding third person,
third man, go-beat-win, the devil itself, los volad-eros,
Kairo in flames, Set and his temporary victory over O5iris,
the staff of Set, Nibiru in triumph, warring Marduk, the
anrgy 4 archangelstars, lingam flying away on Maha Shivarathri.

Good keys:

Waking up with the house on fire, Lucifer as enlightment
bringer, the good salamander, Jupiter's Great Year and
good influence, Great Guardian Angel, love triumphs over
jealousy, TrueMind triumphs over False Ego, the 4 archangels,
the essence of heavenly love, illumination through love divine,
the Sphynx victorious, Saint Marc's winged lion with a sword
(his second gospel), PAX TIBI MARCE EVANGELISTA MEVS, Thelema,
Sai Baba, swallows in spring, Lesser Banishing Pentagram Ritual,
overcoming the distrust of the mob perhaps even obtaining fealty.

The rightous have no need to fear the Whip of God, since
it is a friendly Ripple of Change for them!

TrueMind triumphs over False Ego. This means the object is
Moon-friendly, but most likely to be Sun-unfriendly. The Sun
does not venture into Sextans or Hydra, but the Moon does and
Venus will "shortly" be there, too (after Orion).

The Moon (Isis) stands for True or Initiated Mind.
The Sun of course stands for the devil's install
or false ego. This is a truism in India as well
where Shiva is said to be higher than Krishna,
a lunar deity overriding the solar one, True Mind
emerging. It is worthless that the Moon is taken for
the soul's true significator! The Moon can be far
from the Sun, as it stomps from Sextans to Orion.

Venus and 2004 DW in Cancer make a loving pair!
This combination seems to be one of the luckiest
in astrology at large! Cancer stands for the constellation.

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A large object has been spotted in a disturbing constellation.
Hydra is Tiamat and has been rising it's head when important
occult operations were conducted, such as the writing of the
Book of Law. This puts us on guard against this object, which
will, amazingly disclose it's loving side like no Valentine
Centaur ever did!

Updates on: http://puck.dhs.org/2004DW

Since the young reader might not be acquainted with Thelema or
whatever shumerian monsters, we owe him an explanation. Better,
here's another example! Lovecraft often threathened with gods
and forces from old, the ancients, finding their way from sealed
past tombs into this world. The Necronomicon is said to be one
such dubious unlocking key for more devils to come in and play.
The Star Wars fans will know the Sith and Krath, Naga Sadow,
Freedon Nadd, Ulic Qel-Droma and of course Extar Kun. The Force
has no dark or bright side as Dao knows neither yin nor yang.
It is the use of the Force to determine it's color.
2007 with Venus approaching Hydra's Head through Hydra's
demon minister Sextans, with so much Satrun and Regulus
has already been marked as special. This time we have a
devilish object influenced by Saturn (Venus translates
Saturn's energy bumping into 2002 AW197). All luciferian
implications of Venus are activated as Saturn stands for
the king (Regulus) of Hell itself, in person, so to say.

= Visiting the Monsters =
2004 DW and Hydra - Tiamut

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An object larger than Quaoar has been discovered recently.
This article will require some familiarity with the True
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac
Zodiac made of 28 constellations. Those include Hydra,
(Tiamat, with it's demons-ministers-sattelites, riding on
it's back) Sextans, Crater, Corvus. Since Chariklo is a
centaur, and so is 2004 CJ39, some knowledge about the
centaur objects seems welcome. For an early Quaoar delineation
use: http://puck.dhs.org/quaoar/quaoar.html Important
objects like 2002 AW197 must be studied, too. One can
use http://groups.google.com or our own search engines
to obtain early delineations of any centaur or transneptunian.

Note that 2004 DW scratches Hydra's back visiting her monsters.
This is more like towards a homework for the students, since
we sometime work on the delineations twogether. 2004 DW in
Sextans, Crater and Corvus is like three plagues if we observe
the dark side of 2004 DW, and this object most certainly has it!

"Visiting the Monsters" can be said to happen roughly every 100
years or so. We are risking quite some accuracy at this point,
the orbital elements being still updating, but you've got the
idea.

When sitchinian Tiamut is taken for ex planet and her "monsters"
= ministers are sattelites (e.g. evil Wind), we launch our
experimental
nibiric binary system on the basis of old chinese codes, see also
Nibiru under http://puck.dhs.org/usenet.html ( Enuma Elish ).

Abouts:

28 Constellation Zodiac http://puck.dhs.org/nu
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac
Updates: http://puck.dhs.org/2004DW
Our Newsgroup: news://aurora.lightlink.com/alt.clearing.O5
Updates: http://puck.dhs.org/ng.html
Extrazodiacal Astrology http://puck.dhs.org/extra
Updates: http://puck.dhs.org/2004DW
Enuma Elish, Tiamat, Nibiru http://puck.dhs.org/usenet.html
Valentine Centaur http://puck.dhs.org/centaurs /2004CJ39
Quaoar http://puck.dhs.org/quaoar /quaoar.html
Transneptunians http://puck.dhs.org/2003 /tno
All Objects on http://groups.google.com
Archives http://www.escribe.com/theory/puck
Ixion & the Centaurs intro http://puck.dhs.org/usenet.html

Scourge/Whip of God or the Tail of the Devil ?

2004 DW Largest KBO

Updates on: http://puck.dhs.org/2004DW

= 2004 DW a Bat out of Hell = http://puck.dhs.org

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The devil, personal or otherwise, has been dubbed "voladero",
using Carlos Castaneda's firsthand hellish experiences and
some of our own. This object, more than Quaoar, will resist
delineation, worse than in the remote case of Varuna, the
unfathomable object. For Varuna see http://groups.google.com

When we say man has two minds, we allude to the foreign install
averagely at the tender age of three being not our mind at all.
Compare with "Dark City" and "Matrix" the movies.

The position of this major transneptunian object in Hydra
is close to the Ascendant of the Book of Law, Kairo 1904.

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Let not the word "love" be associated with popular sexual
allusion only. 2004 DW has much thelemitic about it as
Love is the Law, but Love under a Strong Will (or, rather,
True Will).

Love is terrifying to everyone. It terrified people who met
"angels", like the One who wrestled with the "ally" "at
Peniel" (Face of God). (A form of the word "Peniel", in
fact determines the angel, as well as the wrestlinground).

This object's totems are the four archangels. Meaning the
four royal stars of Persia.

The main problem with simple interpretation of this
"object"-spirit is that it bears both Love Divine and
the most terrifying wrath of Satan in it's own lap!

With Chariklo and 2004 DW at the lap-bottom, Venus going
into a mad loop with Saturn Regulus and kissing 2002 AW197,
August 2007 seems to be the birthplace of Satan.

I was tempted to determine the birth time for the "ideal"
antiChrist, using this new object and perhaps I did the
work too well. Namely, Venus in it's lowest position and
retrograde, heading towards Hydra with a strong ifluence
from Saturn and Regulus alone "make me wonder". We have
copious material about "extrazodiacal" Venus on the site
and http://groups.google.com "Venus+extrazodiacal".

Some will justly conclude that the Devil himself paid us a
visit (as if he wasn't in our every cradle?). In 2004 DW
the absurd but deadly victory of the inorganic pest we call
the personal devil (voladero) clashes with the triumphing
True Mind.

Love is particullary stressed with Venus (and 2004 DW) in
Cancer (the conjunctions in Hydra are interesting, and
Sextans is yet another remarkable zodiacal constellation,
rather inclined towards loneliness).

Updates on: http://puck.dhs.org/2004DW

Abouts:

Enuma Elish, Tiamat, Nibiru http://puck.dhs.org/usenet.html
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac
Constellation Zodiac http://puck.dhs.org/nu
Valentine Centaur http://puck.dhs.org/centaurs /2004CJ39
Quaoar http://puck.dhs.org/quaoar /quaoar.html
Transneptunians http://puck.dhs.org/2003 /tno
All Objects on http://groups.google.com
Archives http://www.escribe.com/theory/puck
Ixion & the Centaurs intro http://puck.dhs.org/usenet.html
Our Newsgroup: news://aurora.lightlink.com/alt.clearing.O5
Updates: http://puck.dhs.org/ng.html
Updates: http://puck.dhs.org/2004DW
Extrazodiacal Astrology http://puck.dhs.org/extra

The label "Aiwass" for the planetoid is provisory, and
as are this fairly accurate ephemeris by Jon Giorgini
of NASA JPL, to whom go all our thanks and esteem.
Please assume the object is still a puzzle as it's
orbital elements are being determined with progressive
precision. In the first days of the discovery, it was
thought a cubewano, then a plutino, and it's relative
magnitude is still estimated. As son as the object's
orbital elements are esteemed reliable, numerical
integration is possible for distant dates. Aldo Vitagliano
and his Solex software use the NASA model to calculate
dates otherwise not supplied by NASA HORIZONS.

Aleister Crowley 2004 DW

1875-Sep-20 00:00 288.9969990 8.7303227
1875-Oct-01 00:00 288.9629561 8.7020916
1875-Oct-12 00:00 288.9919660 8.6722306
1875-Oct-23 00:00 289.0843245 8.6425650
1875-Nov-03 00:00 289.2384987 8.6147722

The 1600 - 2100 ephemeris are on the site. The files are
comparatively large (over 1 Mb). Mail for compressiOM!

Largest discovery after Pluto! http://puck.dhs.org/2004DW
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Adenda
====== Pallas and Juno have been included. Juno is too small
to have any meaning in modern astrology, being dwarfed
by too many minor planets, but it retains a historical
... charm. Albeit small, Pallas is considerably up the
perimeter range. The giant transneptunians have been
dwarfing the main belters for quite some time now.

Pallas meets 2004 DW in Hydra. Pallas wherabouts in short.

= NEAT Pallas = http://puck.dhs.org

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April 1st 2004 Pallas and giant comet NEAT meet in Eridanus
constellation. Hopefully the river Po in Italy will not flood,
as Eridanus is that precise river.

Pallas leaves Cetus (where it was able to conjunct Moon in Cetus)
for Eridanus and NEAT, heading towards it's doom in Al Nitak or
CINGVLA ORIONUS. http://puck.dhs.org/nu Orion O5IRIS

Both Eridanus and Orion are operative constellations used in
astrology. We don't use just the 28 zodiacal, but all the 88
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac
constellations, completing embracing enfolding inspiring and
overhelming our belowed coocoon astral energy body like an egg
projecting or being Omniverse itself, as the Eagle presses His
Intent unto us.

Those with Aquila ascending (roughly Chiron around the ascendant)
may have Juno in Scutum (see article) around the ascendant at this
time.

The following briefs are meant for the curious progressive
astrologer that already uses Pallas and Juno in his research.

Pallas in CINGVLA ORIONIS will be delineated for the inner circle
of O5IRIS students.

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= Ascendental Warning =

It is often tricky to determine when an object is on the
ascendant, as we have clearly pointed at in the cases of
some astrologer's charts http://puck.dhs.org /alan.leo

While 2004 DW in Hydra is a normal ascendental position,
the neighboring example of Chariklo in Crater serves for
an example in cases when 2004 DW will visit that constellation.

When due East ( = the ascendant proper ) is in Virgo ( a
fairly large constellation ), Crater with Chariklo are
ascending, too. One may say his due eastern ascendant
is Virgo, with Chariklo rising in Crater. It seems the
only way to put it. Thus we treat several ascending
constellations in some cases, namely the true due
eastern constelllation ad the neighboring one.

In different times different constellations are due
eastern. Crater was and will be such a constellation
and it is interesting to note Aries can rise in due
east roughly in times when Crater does so. The two
cannot ascend in due east when it comes to our present
time. http://puck.dhs.org/nu for details!

*

The following verses have to do with 28zodiacal astrology.
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac
In the case of Pallas meeting 2004 DW in Hydra, our object
is directly involved. In other cases it is either in some
sort of aspect like (large) opposition or it is not involved
at all. The following are just examples from a broader
survey on the 28zodiac http://puck.dhs.org/28

Do astrologers use constelaltions like Ophiucus or Auriga?
They do! The stars are there! Also: the discoveries are there,
e.g. Quaoar in Ophiucus. As Quaoar is far from Sagittarius, so
is 2004 DW far from Leo.

Is there any difference? There is! If your Moon is in Sextans,
you are prone to discrete aloofness, lonely pursuit, and may
even be too shy to form a relation (or too ambitious to keep
it). Moon in sextans people simply work too much, think too
much and the yellow brick road to hell is paved with golden
benevolence. Too much of a good thing? Perhaps losing an edge
is not that bad for concentration. Monasteries may abound with
Moon in Sextans people. New Year 2004 nativities are bent towards
any occult pursuit and wil enjoy memorable fish dinners, as their
Moon is in Cetus.

Popular programs like astrolog.org by Walter Pullen can perform
fairly well in the area of 28zodiacal and extrazodiacal astrology.
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac
The function is

$ astrolog -XF -Xi -Xr -Xm

You should obtain something like Juno in Scutum and that's
28zodiacal astrology proper (albeit the zodiac pertains to
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac
the planets, only partially /so-to-say/ to the minor planets.

Et voila!

March hares 2004 have Juno in Scutum? Are they mad?

= Juno in Scutum = http://puck.dhs.org

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28zodiacal astrology includes Scutum constellation. Being
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac
born with Aquila ascending this days means having Juno in
Scutum in the 12th or 1st house. Never use tropical calculus
to know which, one, it'll fail.

http://puck.dhs.org/extrazodiacal/scutum

What is this position about? The evil majikian uses his
majik mirror and fogs timespace. Especially time. Time
lapses get less reliable here.

Marriage gets dull. There's agression ahead of an average
sullen day. Triangle relationships break up and one finds
oneself temporarely alone.

Allone eternal but constancy does not mean escaping the
tooth of time. The practice of time discreation. Intent
enables teleportation.

Marriage was determined from the start as if parameters
won't change. The very institution of marriage is not
only in crisis: it is unbearable: nothing there for the
neophyte.

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So if I have Chiron ascending, Juno is in the 12th house in
Scutum? Is that getting too exciting? What about some more?
Beware the serpent's tail, since it is about to hit!

= Pluto in Serpens Cauda = http://puck.dhs.org

(C) 2004 Klaudio Zic http://puck.dhs.org/ng.html

Let it be noted that, while Pluto is still in Ophiucus at the
time of the article, it'll move into Serpens Cauda towards 2006
and it'll be Jupiter rejoicing with Ixion, Quaoar and 2002 MS4
in Ophiucus at that time.

Thus Serpens Cauda is not a fictious invention of some 28zodiacal
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac
astronomy, it is a real planetary position (while Pluto is still a
planet). While a bunch of astronomers (rare fellows) will agree on
a 28 constellation zodiac, we have found convenient to split Serpens
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac
into it's two halves, thus we have Pluto in Serpens Caput (Alpha
Serpentis!) and Pluto in Serpens Cauda, the mild version of the
evil star conjunction.

Search http://groups.google.com for delineations. See also data base
http://puck.dhs.org/extrazodiacal

People will be born with several planets in Ophiucus, which in fact
is not rare at all, Ophiucus being a large zodiacal constellation.
What _is_ rare is to have a planet in Scorpius. The narrow stripe of
zodiacal Scorpius with it's Antares star (and archangel) allows for
an extremely brief sojourn of any planet. The Sun may spend from 6
to 7 days in that constellation, making Scorpius nativities extremely
rare. People are of course made to believe they're born in this or
that
"sign" by people who'll never know their own Sun's position. That is
only the dawning of the age of error, as we have people running
around
with positions erroneous by two houses or two "signs", believing one
is a "Scorpio". Myself born Nov 28 have Sun conjunct Antares and am
http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac
qualified as true Scorpius. But how many of you can claim that
position?

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Bonus
=====

It seems we have Usama bin Liden here again. After we have
discovered his (very very probable, indeed) natal Moon is
conjunct Xi2 Orionis (the Moon approaches this part of Orion
at the time of the WTC tragedy), now it seems this very Moon
conjuncts 2004 DW "under the auspices of Orion, the hunter".

Orion is much more, even O5IRIS: http://puck.dhs.org/nu

Sedna 531.657634 0.857434 11.9304 144.4929 311.8271 53200.5
357.8815 1.7
2003VB12 531.657634 0.857434 11.9304 144.4929 311.8271 53200.5
357.8815 1.7
Cruithne 0.99764 .514819 19.8114 126.4230 43.6000 48200.5
285.4393 15.0
2004CJ39 12.952050 0.477604 3.5772 334.9720 133.6604 53040.5
5.4183 14.0
2004DW 39.473609 0.217911 20.5553 268.5371 73.3331 53200.5
157.5394 2.4
Quaoar 43.190771 0.035717 7.9905 188.8941 162.6650 52600.5
263.5175 2.6
2002TX300 43.247399 0.121076 25.8982 324.7033 340.8429 52600.5
55.3912 3.1
2002AW197 47.514918 0.127919 24.3056 297.4198 292.9571 52600.5
279.4183 3.2
Ixion 39.343359 0.243810 19.6720 71.0181 300.7697 52600.5
260.4692 3.2
Vesta 2.36068 .090560 7.1389 104.0147 149.9859 48200.5
152.1895 3.2 Vesta
Ceres 2.766412 0.079116 10.5835 80.4863 73.9844 52400.5
189.2752 3.34
2002TC302 122.272803 0.770739 35.6684 23.9696 277.5245 52560.5
10.9689 3.4
2002UX25 42.775016 0.145089 19.4311 204.6350 276.7125 52600.5
279.2503 3.3
Varuna 43.271856 0.052987 17.1294 97.2854 275.2209 52600.5
83.8067 3.7
2003VS2 39.484921 0.077294 14.7767 302.8610 114.1950 53000.5
358.0593 3.9
2003AZ84 45.193412 0.000000 12.8019 249.5290 218.2038 52640.5
0.0000 4.0
2002MS4 44.862516 0.047481 17.6133 215.7807 229.3647 52460.5
180.0889 4.1
Pallas 2.773483 0.229937 34.8425 173.1716 310.3944 52400.5
175.4143 4.13
Hylonome 24.9497460 .2439515 4.15083 178.23900 6.40615 50600.5
5.81738 9.0
Chariklo 15.774616 0.171042 23.3793 300.4245 241.4052 51800.5
341.4631 6.4
Chiron 13.620963 0.380997 6.9369 209.3271 339.0985 52600.5
48.6288 6.5
Nessus 24.6471691 .5202089 15.64988 31.37071 170.70375 50600.5
15.61413 9.6
Pholus 20.293350 0.573458 24.7014 119.2623 354.6662 52000.5
37.4805 7.0
Asbolus 17.938026 0.618965 17.6388 6.1062 290.3220 51800.5
351.1203 9.0
1994TA 16.8278941 .3037028 5.39654 137.61909 154.55257 50600.5
66.13374 11.5
Pelion 20.011721 0.135286 9.3779 127.1688 154.4401 52000.5
33.0009 10.3
Okyrhoe 8.418944 0.307817 15.6245 173.2011 337.5385 52000.5
259.5288 11.3
Cyllarus 26.403801 0.382563 12.6156 51.9577 301.8605 52000.5
30.3064 9.3
Elatus 12.814262 0.417323 5.6164 87.3246 289.4474 52000.5
18.0695 10.1
Thereus 10.637199 0.197835 20.3520 205.3159 86.8955 52200.5
27.4161 9.0
2003VS2 39.482477 0.077250 14.7767 302.8613 114.2023 53000.5
358.0528 4.2
2003WL7 26.058108 0.502851 10.8188 4.0230 85.9021 53000.5
339.1613 9.2
2003WU172 39.429742 0.218540 4.1330 10.1316 57.0239 52960.5
359.9831 6.8
2003WQ188 46.230682 0.000000 5.3917 35.5887 59.7304 52960.5
0.0000 6.3
2003WS188 39.327951 0.237192 5.7663 340.6726 102.9952 52960.5
359.9870 9.0
2003WU188 43.190357 0.000000 3.8402 84.1911 7.4085 52980.5
0.0694 5.8
2003UY117 39.206281 0.145739 7.8579 259.6924 115.7083 52940.5
0.0241 6.2
2003UZ117 44.519452 0.107550 27.2050 204.4647 200.2300 52940.5
0.0128 5.6
2003UA118 10.939155 0.304975 4.0786 256.2594 273.5654 52940.5
232.6047 10.7
2003UA118 10.939155 0.304975 4.0786 256.2594 273.5654 52940.5
232.6047 10.7
2003UN284 44.307823 0.044879 3.0541 35.9179 18.1626 52940.5
0.0129 7.3
2003VS2 39.485241 0.077302 14.7767 302.8610 114.2008 53000.5
358.0544 3.9
2003WL7 27.038660 0.525289 10.7637 3.9090 86.1351 53000.5
340.5625 9.2
2003UA118 10.939155 0.304975 4.0786 256.2594 273.5654 52940.5
232.6047 10.7
2003UA118 10.939155 0.304975 4.0786 256.2594 273.5654 52940.5
232.6047 10.7
2003VS2 39.484921 0.077294 14.7767 302.8610 114.1950 53000.5
358.0593 3.9
1992QB1 43.932720 0.068911 2.1940 359.4691 5.3479 52600.5
8.2991 7.2
2003QA91 45.087082 0.000000 2.4100 104.5852 221.0398 52880.5
0.0651 5.1
2003QW90 43.291504 0.032488 10.3642 17.7643 193.2803 53000.5
146.0918 4.5
2003QM91 45.509301 0.090425 3.0541 8.0079 344.0068 52860.5
359.9482 4.2
2003QY90 44.688904 0.000000 3.7429 103.8509 220.4410 52880.5
0.0660 5.2
2003QA112 46.575885 0.000000 15.0557 1.9458 339.9875 52880.5
0.0093 5.6
2003SQ222 1.505586 0.518751 3.5627 4.5762 280.7092 53000.5
75.1908 30.1
1992QB1 43.932720 0.068911 2.1940 359.4691 5.3479 52600.5
8.2991 7.2

/*/ Students will check the meridian of such a nativity, proclaiming
it's auspices holy, relieving, perspicacious, furthering,
eternal,
productive, expanding, banishing anxieties.

Let us not forget our 4th moon, too. There's megabytes of this on
the site. http://puck.dhs.org/enter1.html


Being in Venice is not like being in .it sometimes, as
japanese abound. This should not mess up sound astrology.

Ad Sedna in 12th
================


= Aquatic his Horns = :::|:| Zhouyi http://puck.dhs.org

http://puck.dhs.org/venexia/unihipili

The Mawangdui manuscript Zhouyi translation by professor
Edward L. Shaughnessy is perused with the author's kind
permission. Edward L. Shaughnesy: "I Ching the Classic of
Changes", Ballantine Books, New York; ISBN: 0-345-42112-4

October 25th 2003, 04:18 a.m. (02:18) UT Oracle consultation.

Early in the morning I resolve to go to Venice. The omen seems
favorable, being "Aquas" :::|:| or more precisely "Aquatic his
Horns". Perhaps the gondola is seen as two horns emerging from
the aquas (waters?) I mumble and set forth with Orion at the
meridian in the clear night skies.

Upon arrival at Canareggio I notice there's "aqua alta", the
waters are high, slightly overflowing the "fondamenta" here and
there. So it's "aquas", I exclaim!

On Fondamenta de la Misericordia /1/ I notice a grasshopper
apparently
approaching the flooded :|::|| little staircase from his improvised
white boat, tossed and turned by the passing boats and a kayak
(sic!).

This insect can of course fly, but it's wings are wet and it's drying
in the sun. It needs perhaps 15 minutes to dry and fly off, but the
passing traffic seems to contribute to his wet state in the sun. I
imerse into a most thrilling series of photographs, regretting a
500 mm lens. I was a target myself, since I lain down, run jumping
on the barge, adopted the craziest poses during the session; oh well,
I've done scandal in that area already, once with my hair _in_ the
channel.

The alchemical allegory above us show the Sun and the Moon, dry and
wet.

As I was finally able to draw the poor insect to safe shores :|::|| I
discover with amazement that it has no hurry leaving. we have become
friends. It has let me come near, touch it, play with it and shoot
from half an inch distance /2/. It is prhaps about noon when I have
(!) the enlightment: "Aquatic his horns"; the antenae of the insect!

The wet fellow received a grass-hopping niche by the Misericordia
building, below it's alchemical reliefs /1/. The insect won't let
(me) go at first, then while checking his safety, I laugh at his
manouv he returned to the safety of his improvised boat! Are
we not like this insect ourselves? If a log would save us from
the flood, would not this arc be an object of veneration? The
hero of this story probably floated from the vegetable shop
near by /1/, in meticullous reconstruction of the event. A
"centaurean astrology" /4/ analysis with sabian symbols would
that I have in fact contacted an undine, a water sprite. Aquatic
are her horns? But do I see them? Alchemy, flow, horns, and
now we have T'ai Hsuean Ching and I Ching speaking astral language
instead of just plain physical observable objects?

The line ::|:| in the midst of aquatic dangers is :|: as Edward L.
Shaughnessy's mysterious translation /5/ mentions a "mole-cricket".
Now that's too near a guess to what actually happened. I guess no one
had ever such a model in Venice /6/ as the photos clearly show.

Unihipili is the grasshopper of kahuuna lore. True Mind is a little
thing, generally dominated by the default mind. Cities are the same,
just skycreepers nowdays, minds are more or less default. Defaulters
go around consuming default. Only True Mind saves from the flood.

Another floating animal met me at 1 p.m. /7/. A certain Mustafa from
Milano insisted upon a gift: a little tortoise! We knew each other
one
minute. I divined /8/ receiving :|::|| (one moving line, third)
:||:||
and knew I am in the presence of True Mind again! The man has no
evil!

Now how do I write it for him? The pencil and paper was provided by
the
chinese (sic!) shop /9/ where I distributed so much protection signs
and
talismans (of course chinese). Seeing a chinese girl smile is
heavens!

Aquatic are his horns. After 30 years of I Ching I am finally able to
expand through a wonderfully valuable translation, more akin to Derek
Walters' T'ai Hsuean Ching translation than to anything else I know.

Professor Shaughnessy of the University of Chicago uses the italian
word Aqua, water, the old latin root. The choice of words and
accuracy
of this first translation of the Mawangdui texts is amazing. It
differs
immensely from the chinese version (Shandong Publishing).

The hexagram changes into :::|:: as I meet the music man playing
Vivaldi
on a set of perhaps 30 water (aquas) filled glasses. Aquatic his
horns,
too? This piano student and Mustafa were not digitalized since my
modest
supply of megabytes finished with the majikal insect.

Klaudio Zic

/1/ The maps and photos are peripatetically uploaded to

http://puck.dhs.org/venexia/unihipili

/2/ Regretting a macro lens this time. I'm really _using_ stuff,
which
results in rapid aging of any device. The digi does not look like
something that shoots at all, but so didn't my first I Ching book
(by Blofeld) /3/.

/3/ Still extant. All pages have different worn out shapes, closer to
a tortoise shape than to an ellipse; but no page is square, such
was the amount of it's use in the seventies! Perhaps 30 types of
adhesion tapes were used to at least try and make it look like a
book, so the object retains some modern art installation outlook.

/4/ Centaur BU48, not far from Jupiter in Leo constellation.

/5/ At this time I still did not mail the professor for an
explanation
of "mole-cricket".

/6/ That a pigeon let me come as near as an inch I do not take for a
supernatural phenomemon. The photos are online among the Murano
scenes, San Donato bridge.

/7/ 13:10 (11:10 UT), but the event took place roughly 12:57?
Vertex adjusting for natal ascendant, the time is right.

/8/ Divination takes a second with my special yellow die.
http://puck.dhs.org/nu/books Mustafa did not notice I
was divining at all!

/9/ In the city of Marco Polo, the chinese are "locals".
They speak venetkian better than myself. Ciao, Li!

The Mawangdui manuscript Zhouyi translation
is (C) Copyright 1996 Edward L. Shaughnessy

The body text, except the Zhuoi citations are
(C) 2003 Klaudio Zic, all rights reserved.
http://puck.dhs.org /venexia /unihipili

---
The Mawangdui manuscript Zhouyi translation by professor
Edward L. Shaughnessy is perused with the author's kind
permission. Edward L. Shaughnesy: "I Ching the Classic of
Changes", Ballantine Books, New York; ISBN: 0-345-42112-4

THC and Zhouyi Notes:

T'ai Hsuean Ching has

________
__ __ __
__ __ __
________

"Water overflowing." Mentioning a "bright and glorious river",
wasted thin in the place where I stood.

I Ching 35/16 12 31/45 4/7 (reseived text numeration).
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