Death Sentence for the Hubble?

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:25:13 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
(Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: But ISS is run out of JSC in Houston, Texas, which as been solidly
: Republican for a long time now.

: Ummm...Eric?

: The mayor of Houston is a Democrat.

So what? Most big city mayors are black and Democrat.

So, apparently Houston is not as "solidly Republican" as you fantasize
in the words above.

Hell the governor of Maryland is a Republican, too. Does that make
Maryland a hot-bed of conservatism?

I have made no claims about Maryland, idiot.

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:39:49 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
(Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 02:11:15 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
: monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:


: : Such as? I can't think of any other than X-33. I'm not aware that
: : X-34 had anything to do with manned spaceflight, and DC-XA wasn't
: : really a Clinton initiative--they just inherited it (unless by
: : "support" you mean "not go out of their way to kill"). And one of the
: : few line item vetoes that Clinton used (before the USSC ruled it
: : unconstitutional) was to kill funding for the military spaceplane in
: : 1997.
:
: The question remains should NASA develop potential military spacecraft?

: That question has nothing to do with anything written here by anyone.
: Once again, you are the supreme village idiot of the newsgroup, and
: master of the non-sequitur.

Yeah, it is so far not related that you went out of your way at ad
hominem, again. Why don't you state WHY it isn't related.

Because NASA is a civilian agency, and DOESN'T DEVELOP MILITARY
AIRCRAFT OR SPACECRAFT.

I will learn all you know, pass you and expose you along the way. Of that
I am certain! You had better ratcheted it up a notch to even last a year
in this gambit. Mark my word!

Knock yourself out.

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:03:41 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
(Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: Yeah, it is so far not related that you went out of your way at ad
: hominem, again. Why don't you state WHY it isn't related.

: Because NASA is a civilian agency, and DOESN'T DEVELOP MILITARY
: AIRCRAFT OR SPACECRAFT.

Fool! Did or did not the shuttle have DOD missions?

Yes.

h (Rand Simberg) wrote:

:On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 01:51:28 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
(Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
:monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
:
:But ISS is run out of JSC in Houston, Texas, which as been solidly
:Republican for a long time now.
:
:Ummm...Eric?
:
:The mayor of Houston is a Democrat.

And the Governor was alternating Democrat and Republican for a long,
long time. GWB was the first Governor reelected to a second term in a
long time.

Ditto Senators. In fact, one of the reasons postulated for the
shutdown of the Superconducting Super Collider project was when Texas
sent a Republican Senator to the Senate to replace a Democrat (leaving
Texas with two Republican Senators). Democrats (who controlled things
at the time) decided to 'punish' Texas for that.

Ditto the House. The Speaker of the House used to be a Democrat from
Fort Worth.

Eric claims to be from Texas. Eric is exceedingly ignorant about
things he ought to know.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

h (Rand Simberg) wrote:

:On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:45:27 GMT, in a place far, far away, Fred J.
:McCall made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
:such a way as to indicate that:
:
:
::I'm only saying that it's easy relative to how difficult some think
::it, not in any absolute sense.
:
:Well, that's the first time THAT has come out.
:
:No, it isn't. You haven't been paying attention.

********.

::Was ISS 'easy'?
::It largely seems so, by your definition, and yet it is an order of
::magnitude over the original budget estimates and still seems well
::short of the originally discussed capabilities.
::
::That has nothing to do with the intrinsic ease or difficulty of
::building space stations.
:
:No? Then where is all the money going? It's easy, remember? Why did
:it have to keep adding budget and schedule?
:
:Because the purpose of the program was not to build a space station.
:The purpose of the program was to provide full employment in certain
:congressional districts.

We have congressional districts near Baikonur now?

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:03:41 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
: monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: : Yeah, it is so far not related that you went out of your way at ad
: : hominem, again. Why don't you state WHY it isn't related.
:
: : Because NASA is a civilian agency, and DOESN'T DEVELOP MILITARY
: : AIRCRAFT OR SPACECRAFT.
:
: Fool! Did or did not the shuttle have DOD missions?

: Yes.

So, NASA DID develop a spacecraft that had military application. YOU stand
corrected!

Eric

Fred J. McCall ) wrote:
: h (Rand Simberg) wrote:

: :On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 01:51:28 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
: :monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
: :
: :But ISS is run out of JSC in Houston, Texas, which as been solidly
: :Republican for a long time now.
: :
: :Ummm...Eric?
: :
: :The mayor of Houston is a Democrat.

: And the Governor was alternating Democrat and Republican for a long,
: long time. GWB was the first Governor reelected to a second term in a
: long time.

Yep, Houston is a hotbed of liberalism.

: Ditto Senators. In fact, one of the reasons postulated for the
: shutdown of the Superconducting Super Collider project was when Texas
: sent a Republican Senator to the Senate to replace a Democrat (leaving
: Texas with two Republican Senators). Democrats (who controlled things
: at the time) decided to 'punish' Texas for that.

When was the last time Texas had a Democratic senator that was liberal?

: Ditto the House. The Speaker of the House used to be a Democrat from
: Fort Worth.

The operative term is "used to be".

: Eric claims to be from Texas. Eric is exceedingly ignorant about
: things he ought to know.

Stuff it, Fred! The point is that Tom DeLay got away with gerrymandering
Texas in a way that favors Republicans.

Eric

: --
: "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
: territory."
: --G. Behn

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Fred J. McCall ) wrote:
: h (Rand Simberg) wrote:

: :On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:45:27 GMT, in a place far, far away, Fred J.
: :McCall made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
: :such a way as to indicate that:
: :
: :
: ::I'm only saying that it's easy relative to how difficult some think
: ::it, not in any absolute sense.
: :
: :Well, that's the first time THAT has come out.
: :
: :No, it isn't. You haven't been paying attention.

: ********.

: ::Was ISS 'easy'?
: ::It largely seems so, by your definition, and yet it is an order of
: ::magnitude over the original budget estimates and still seems well
: ::short of the originally discussed capabilities.
: ::
: ::That has nothing to do with the intrinsic ease or difficulty of
: ::building space stations.
: :
: :No? Then where is all the money going? It's easy, remember? Why did
: :it have to keep adding budget and schedule?
: :
: :Because the purpose of the program was not to build a space station.
: :The purpose of the program was to provide full employment in certain
: :congressional districts.

: We have congressional districts near Baikonur now?

A better question is, which congressional districts are you referring?

Eric

: --
: "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
: territory."
: --G. Behn

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:09:43 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
: monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: : On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:03:41 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: : (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
: : monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
:
: : : Yeah, it is so far not related that you went out of your way at ad
: : : hominem, again. Why don't you state WHY it isn't related.
: :
: : : Because NASA is a civilian agency, and DOESN'T DEVELOP MILITARY
: : : AIRCRAFT OR SPACECRAFT.
: :
: : Fool! Did or did not the shuttle have DOD missions?
:
: : Yes.
:
: So, NASA DID develop a spacecraft that had military application.

: But it's not a military spacecraft. That's like saying that if

You missed the word "exclusively".

: military supplies are delivered in a UPS truck, that it's a military
: truck.

No it isn't as UPS is a commercial company. NASA and the DOD are both part
of the government.

The point is that the DOD should build its own OSP and let NASA have
rights to it, rather than the other way around as the shuttle has been
used.

THAT was the original point of this whole thread despite your tangents and
ad hominem.

Eric

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:09:43 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
(Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:03:41 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
: monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: : Yeah, it is so far not related that you went out of your way at ad
: : hominem, again. Why don't you state WHY it isn't related.
:
: : Because NASA is a civilian agency, and DOESN'T DEVELOP MILITARY
: : AIRCRAFT OR SPACECRAFT.
:
: Fool! Did or did not the shuttle have DOD missions?

: Yes.

So, NASA DID develop a spacecraft that had military application.

But it's not a military spacecraft. That's like saying that if
military supplies are delivered in a UPS truck, that it's a military
truck.