Buzz's Bridge

On Mar 21, 12:05 am, Pat Flannery wrote:
Scott Hedrick wrote:
The contractor did it first. Other than permits, what could possible have
cost multi-millions for what's there?

Tribe must contact Great White Fathers that watch over casinos.
Much wampum must go to Great White Fathers, so that Skybridge does not
burn down.
This is called "Protection Wampum".
Is special medicine, watched over by Teamster braves, who get "Slice Of
Pie", and "Piece Of Action".
Many of our tribe bleed from this "Cut".

Don Luigi-Black-Hand-Squeezing
Lakota Stewed Tribe

Hey pat, there is a lot you and others can be learn from the
indigenous peoples of the southwest, as they learned to live on little
in a harsh environment.
tom

The first link is Information on the Hualipai nation, or the "people
of the tall pines."
http://www.cpluhna.nau.edu/People/pais.htm

The second link it to a book, that may shed a little light on the
legal battles of the Haulapai

http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/b...sbn=0300114605
"Making Indian Law Christian W. McMillen
The Hualapai Land Case and the Birth of Ethnohistory by Christian W.
McMillen.
In 1941, after decades of struggling to hold on to the remainder of
their aboriginal home, the Hualapai Indians finally took their case to
the Supreme Court-and won. The Hualapai case was the culminating event
in a legal and intellectual revolution that transformed Indian law and
ushered in a new way of writing Indian history that provided legal
grounds for native land claims. But Making Indian Law is about more
than a legal decision. It's the story of Hualapai activists, and
eventually sympathetic lawyers, who challenged both the Santa Fe
Railroad and the U.S. government to a courtroom showdown over the
meaning of Indian property rights-and the Indian past.

At the heart of the Hualapai campaign to save the reservation was
documenting the history of Hualapai land use. Making Indian Law
showcases the central role that the Hualapai and their lawyers played
in formulating new understandings of native people, their property,
and their past. To this day, the impact of the Hualapai decision is
felt wherever and whenever indigenous land claims are litigated
throughout the world. "

On 21 Mar, 00:27, Pat Flannery wrote:
They opened the Skywalk over the Grand Canyon today, and even the TV
coverage of going out on it looked pretty scary.
I think the Hualapai tribe probably has a real winner here from a
financial point of view.
Talk about going on a vision quest. :-)

Pat

The BBC mentioned the construction cost - it was pretty massive ($20
million?). But if you get an ex NASA astronaut to open it, he can
rightly claim that the construction costs were a pittance.

On Mar 20, 8:27 pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
They opened the Skywalk over the Grand Canyon today, and even the TV
coverage of going out on it looked pretty scary.
I think the Hualapai tribe probably has a real winner here from a
financial point of view.
Talk about going on a vision quest. :-)

There was talk about building a span bridge across the whole thing.
Now this. So much for not changing it from its natural state.

Eric


Pat

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On Mar 20, 8:27 pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
They opened the Skywalk over the Grand Canyon today, and even the TV
coverage of going out on it looked pretty scary.
I think the Hualapai tribe probably has a real winner here from a
financial point of view.
Talk about going on a vision quest. :-)

There was talk about building a span bridge across the whole thing.
Now this. So much for not changing it from its natural state.

"Across the whole thing." Yeah.. in someone's pipe dreams.

10 mile long bridge in the middle of nowhere. Right

As for "not changing it from its natural state" it hasn't been in its
natural state for over 100 years.



Eric


Pat



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Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:

As for "not changing it from its natural state" it hasn't been in its
natural state for over 100 years.


I think the majority of it is downstream in the Sea Of Cortez by now. :-P

Pat

On Mar 26, 5:01 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
wrote:
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On Mar 20, 8:27 pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
They opened the Skywalk over the Grand Canyon today, and even the TV
coverage of going out on it looked pretty scary.
I think the Hualapai tribe probably has a real winner here from a
financial point of view.
Talk about going on a vision quest. :-)

There was talk about building a span bridge across the whole thing.
Now this. So much for not changing it from its natural state.

"Across the whole thing." Yeah.. in someone's pipe dreams.

10 mile long bridge in the middle of nowhere. Right

No, it would be in Marble Canyon. Much less than across the Granite
Gorge, though there was discussion about doing that as well.


As for "not changing it from its natural state" it hasn't been in its
natural state for over 100 years.

How so?



Eric

Pat

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On Mar 26, 5:01 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
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"Eric Chomko" wrote in message

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On Mar 20, 8:27 pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
They opened the Skywalk over the Grand Canyon today, and even the TV
coverage of going out on it looked pretty scary.
I think the Hualapai tribe probably has a real winner here from a
financial point of view.
Talk about going on a vision quest. :-)

There was talk about building a span bridge across the whole thing.
Now this. So much for not changing it from its natural state.

"Across the whole thing." Yeah.. in someone's pipe dreams.

10 mile long bridge in the middle of nowhere. Right

No, it would be in Marble Canyon. Much less than across the Granite
Gorge, though there was discussion about doing that as well.

So in other words, not really what we were talking about.



As for "not changing it from its natural state" it hasn't been in its
natural state for over 100 years.

How so?

Well hell one could argue even further, but I'm sticking to Europeans doing
things like mining and the like in the Canyon.





Eric

Pat

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On Mar 26, 11:49 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
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On Mar 20, 8:27 pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
They opened the Skywalk over the Grand Canyon today, and even the TV
coverage of going out on it looked pretty scary.
I think the Hualapai tribe probably has a real winner here from a
financial point of view.
Talk about going on a vision quest. :-)

There was talk about building a span bridge across the whole thing.
Now this. So much for not changing it from its natural state.

"Across the whole thing." Yeah.. in someone's pipe dreams.

10 mile long bridge in the middle of nowhere. Right

No, it would be in Marble Canyon. Much less than across the Granite
Gorge, though there was discussion about doing that as well.

So in other words, not really what we were talking about.

Have you ever been to the Grand Canyon? I have 7 times. I have over 30
days inside the canyon alone and over 125 miles of hiking. I am going
back for an eight time this fall.

Do you even know the difference bewteen Phantom Ranch and Hermit's
Rest?
Between Granite Gorge and Marble Canyon? Hint: Both Marble Canyon and
Granite Gorge are parts of the Grand Canyon. MC is much narrower than
GG. In fact there IS a bridge across MC at the north end of GC for
regular traffic.

Before you call me clueless you had better get a grip on who you are
talking about and about what.




As for "not changing it from its natural state" it hasn't been in its
natural state for over 100 years.

How so?

Well hell one could argue even further, but I'm sticking to Europeans doing
things like mining and the like in the Canyon.


That was asbestos over 100 years ago and a few solo minors with burros
looking for gold and silver. Neither gold or silver was ever found.

The point is that things that occuured within the Grand Canyon before
it became a national park are considered relics of the canyon and that
includes any Indian pottery shards, arrowheads, etc., mining or
minor's equipment and even the old phone line to Phantom Ranch at the
botton even though it was there well after GC became a NP.

So yes, GC is not exactly like it was 100 years ago, but the point is
to try and preserve it the best that we can.

Eric

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On Mar 26, 5:01 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
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"Eric Chomko" wrote in message

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On Mar 20, 8:27 pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
They opened the Skywalk over the Grand Canyon today, and even the
TV
coverage of going out on it looked pretty scary.
I think the Hualapai tribe probably has a real winner here from a
financial point of view.
Talk about going on a vision quest. :-)

There was talk about building a span bridge across the whole thing.
Now this. So much for not changing it from its natural state.

"Across the whole thing." Yeah.. in someone's pipe dreams.

10 mile long bridge in the middle of nowhere. Right

No, it would be in Marble Canyon. Much less than across the Granite
Gorge, though there was discussion about doing that as well.

So in other words, not really what we were talking about.

Have you ever been to the Grand Canyon? I have 7 times. I have over 30
days inside the canyon alone and over 125 miles of hiking. I am going
back for an eight time this fall.

Do you even know the difference bewteen Phantom Ranch and Hermit's
Rest?
Between Granite Gorge and Marble Canyon? Hint: Both Marble Canyon and
Granite Gorge are parts of the Grand Canyon. MC is much narrower than
GG. In fact there IS a bridge across MC at the north end of GC for
regular traffic.

Before you call me clueless you had better get a grip on who you are
talking about and about what.




As for "not changing it from its natural state" it hasn't been in its
natural state for over 100 years.

How so?

Well hell one could argue even further, but I'm sticking to Europeans
doing
things like mining and the like in the Canyon.


That was asbestos over 100 years ago and a few solo minors with burros
looking for gold and silver. Neither gold or silver was ever found.

The point is that things that occuured within the Grand Canyon before
it became a national park are considered relics of the canyon and that
includes any Indian pottery shards, arrowheads, etc., mining or
minor's equipment and even the old phone line to Phantom Ranch at the
botton even though it was there well after GC became a NP.

So yes, GC is not exactly like it was 100 years ago, but the point is
to try and preserve it the best that we can.

Eric

"Eric Chomko" wrote in message
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On Mar 26, 11:49 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"

So in other words, not really what we were talking about.

Have you ever been to the Grand Canyon? I have 7 times. I have over 30
days inside the canyon alone and over 125 miles of hiking. I am going
back for an eight time this fall.

Yes, several times.

And between that, and simply looking at a map, one can realize the scale of
the place. A 60' horseshoe on the Hualapai Reservation isn't going to have
any impact on the place.


The point is that things that occuured within the Grand Canyon before
it became a national park are considered relics of the canyon and that
includes any Indian pottery shards, arrowheads, etc., mining or
minor's equipment and even the old phone line to Phantom Ranch at the
botton even though it was there well after GC became a NP.

In other words, exactly what I said, human activity has been altering the
Grand Canyon for over 100 years.

So what's your point arguing with me when you support my contention.


So yes, GC is not exactly like it was 100 years ago, but the point is
to try and preserve it the best that we can.

And for better or for worse, the Hualapai have decided to change their
portion of it.

Given how much is protected by the GCNP, Lake Mead National Rec Area and
Glen Canyon Nationa Rec Area, I'm not too concerned about a 60' bridge
sticking out into it.

(oh and the National Forests around it too.)


And if you really want to preserve it, cut off road access to the South Rim
and do everything by electric tram, and keep people out of it.

You do realize the impact the hikers have on the existing trail systems,
right?



Eric


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