Claims of secret Bush space agenda

In article , Steen
wrote:

Rand Simberg wrote:

Most conspiracy theories about Bush are absurd. They're based not on
logic or facts, but blind hatred.

Amazing. So, which conspiracy theories _are_ based on logic or facts? ;-)

Only the ones proven true, naturally. Iran/Contra and Watergate would
have been rightly laughed at if they hadn't come into the open. There
are and always have been conspiracies of some sort or another. It's
just that there's so many wacko ones out there that it's hard to sort
through to find the ones that may be true.

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modular manned system. Completely useless to the Pentagon. (Look through any
DoD space plans, and you'll find no consideration of any missions for
astronauts.)

Kids these days. :-) If you go back and look at DoD space plans from
the 1960's, you'll find a lot of references to astronauts. Look up
X-15, Dyna-Soar, Blue Gemini, and MOL. The idea that humans in space
are "completely useless" may hold sway at the Pentagon now, but that
was not always the case, and it may not always be the case in the
future.

Oh just shut the **** up. You're clearly just talking out your ass
without knowing a goddamn thing BRBR


I take it you're in charge of manners and Roberts Rules of Order on this board.


Yes, a lot is my opinion. For what it's worth, it IS the opinion of an old
Titan II ICBM commander, published space historian, and longtime military space
student, consultant, and participant.

As to the idea of a secret military space agenda involving anything as complex
as launch of secret spacecraft with military crews... just consider how good
the US government has been at keeping secrets. You would have seen every
detail in the Washington Post a long time ago.






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Rand Simberg wrote:
On 25 Feb 2004 04:14:46 GMT, in a place far, far away,
(MattWriter) made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:


I've read several times now that the new Bush plan for NASA is a cover-up to
"militarize space." Let me take a moment to note this is absurd.


Most conspiracy theories about Bush are absurd. They're based not on
logic or facts, but blind hatred. If Bush wants to do something, it
has to have some evil, nefarious purpose (like getting reelected, or
helping his buddies in the oil industry)--all one need do is identify
something evil in the leftist lexicon (e.g., the military) and make a
tenuous connection.

QED.

And the DennisMillerization of Rand Simberg continues.

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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:41:44 -0700, in a place far, far away, quibbler
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:

In article ,
says...
I've read several times now that the new Bush plan for NASA is a cover-up to
"militarize space." Let me take a moment to note this is absurd.

Let me take a few moments to tell you that you are clueless. Space has
always had great potential for military applications.

Which is completely beside the point.

quibbler wrote:
In article ,
says...
I've read several times now that the new Bush plan for NASA is a
cover-up to "militarize space." Let me take a moment to note this
is absurd.

Let me take a few moments to tell you that you are clueless. Space
has always had great potential for military applications. Modern war
relies on array of satellites.

Satellites go around the Earth, not from the Earth to the Moon or to Mars.
Neither one of those destinations has the least usefulness for military
domination of the Earth in the forseeable future. So shifting the goal from
the ISS to the Moon and Mars represents a move _away_ from the
militarization of space.

Mike Maxwell

In article ,
says...
Oh just shut the **** up. You're clearly just talking out your ass
without knowing a goddamn thing BRBR


I take it you're in charge of manners and Roberts Rules of Order on this board.

Was that a nerd joke or what?




Yes, a lot is my opinion. For what it's worth, it IS the opinion of an old
Titan II ICBM commander, published space historian, and longtime military space
student, consultant, and participant.


It's still one that hasn't been properly thought out. I suspect that
your own politics are blinding you to the obvious, among other things.

As to the idea of a secret military space agenda involving anything as complex
as launch of secret spacecraft with military crews... just consider how good
the US government has been at keeping secrets.

Oh please. They keep lots of secrets, but a good fraction of the really
big ones are too hard to hide. I'm not proposing any conspiracies. I
think it's completely obvious that the military could place a crew into
orbit if they wanted to. Compare the budget of NASA to the
department of defense. Use your head. They probably haven't wanted to
or needed to very often, since they can get NASA to do their dirty work
anyway.

You would have seen every
detail in the Washington Post a long time ago.

Indeed you've heard of a great many military space programs that could
conceivably put humans in space. Even a scaled up version of the old X-
planes might conceivably achieve this to say nothing of more conventional
military launch vehicles.

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Unclaimed Mysteries (theletter_k_andthenumeral_4_doh@unclaimedmysterie s.net) wrote:
: Rand Simberg wrote:
: On 25 Feb 2004 04:14:46 GMT, in a place far, far away,
: (MattWriter) made the phosphor on my monitor glow
: in such a way as to indicate that:
:
:
: I've read several times now that the new Bush plan for NASA is a cover-up to
: "militarize space." Let me take a moment to note this is absurd.
:
:
: Most conspiracy theories about Bush are absurd. They're based not on
: logic or facts, but blind hatred. If Bush wants to do something, it
: has to have some evil, nefarious purpose (like getting reelected, or
: helping his buddies in the oil industry)--all one need do is identify
: something evil in the leftist lexicon (e.g., the military) and make a
: tenuous connection.
:
: QED.

: And the DennisMillerization of Rand Simberg continues.

Rand Simberg ======== Dennis Miller


mrmrmrmrmrmrrmrmrmrmrmrmrrmrmhahahahahahahahaha

That is the funniest thing I have read all week!!

Thanks for the laugh.

Will Rand start using $15 words and vie for a spot on Monday Night
Football?

Eric

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: It Came From C. L. Smith's Unclaimed Mysteries.
: http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net

: "Religion isn't the opiate of the masses. When
: properly used, religion is the methamphetamine
: of the masses." - nu-monet v6.0 in alt.slack

Mike Maxwell ) wrote:
: quibbler wrote:
: In article ,
: says...
: I've read several times now that the new Bush plan for NASA is a
: cover-up to "militarize space." Let me take a moment to note this
: is absurd.
:
: Let me take a few moments to tell you that you are clueless. Space
: has always had great potential for military applications. Modern war
: relies on array of satellites.

: Satellites go around the Earth, not from the Earth to the Moon or to Mars.
: Neither one of those destinations has the least usefulness for military
: domination of the Earth in the forseeable future. So shifting the goal from
: the ISS to the Moon and Mars represents a move _away_ from the
: militarization of space.

Or, so it would appear. Actually, NASA going to the Moon and Mars is a
move away from the area where militarization of space would occur, namely,
LEO.

Eric

: Mike Maxwell

Rand Simberg wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:23:20 -0800, in a place far, far away, Michael
Walsh made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:


Perhaps you can point out some source where I can read some
confirmation about what you claim Bush said that I don't seem to
remember.

Go back to the SOTU last year.

What is the SOTU ?

Mike Walsh