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Old February 11th 07, 02:17 AM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
John Doe
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Debating Lisa Nowak's future is pointless.

Unless she is declared innocent within months, she is either never
returning to NASA, or would be returning at a time where all the crews for
the remaining shuttle flights will have been assigned.

And even if she returned, her episode would make her unacceptable for fligt
since she has proven she can switch from normal to "nuts" without warning.
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Old February 11th 07, 12:33 AM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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"Wok" wrote in message
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Florida Statutes 787.02 False imprisonment (5 years)
Florida Statutes 790.07 Persons engaged in criminal
offense, having weapons (5 years)
Florida Statutes 812.133 Carjacking, armed (Life)
Florida Statutes 787.01 Kidnapping, armed (Life)
Florida Statutes 810.02 Burglary, with assault/battery,
armed (Life)


Me thinks that she'll end up only facing one or two (reduced) assault and
battery charges...

Assault, with pepper spray, is all she really did...

Stupidity (unfortunetly) isn't a crime...





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Old February 15th 07, 12:40 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:33:07 -0500, in a place far, far away, "Esaz"
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:


"Wok" wrote in message
...
Florida Statutes 787.02 False imprisonment (5 years)
Florida Statutes 790.07 Persons engaged in criminal
offense, having weapons (5 years)
Florida Statutes 812.133 Carjacking, armed (Life)
Florida Statutes 787.01 Kidnapping, armed (Life)
Florida Statutes 810.02 Burglary, with assault/battery,
armed (Life)


Me thinks that she'll end up only facing one or two (reduced) assault and
battery charges...

Assault, with pepper spray, is all she really did...


Nope. It's a pretty open/shut case of attempted murder.
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Old February 15th 07, 02:23 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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Jim wrote:

:Another shining example of your failure to properly interpret what is
:really happening in the world around you. Spraying someone with pepper
:spray is, at most, simple assault. She brought a BB gun and a knife,
:neither of which was brandished or otherwise used. Could possibly go
:with an added "with intent to do great bodily harm" but that's
:doubtful.

By your thinking there can be no such crime as 'attempted murder',
since unless the victim is actually killed there is no 'act'. So
trying to kill someone AND FAILING isn't a crime at all, according to
you.

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Old February 16th 07, 05:59 AM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
By your thinking there can be no such crime as 'attempted murder',
since unless the victim is actually killed there is no 'act'. So
trying to kill someone AND FAILING isn't a crime at all, according to
you.


If the suspect actually does shoot you, the bullet misses the heart and
after surgery, you end up surviving, that it can be easily seen as
attempted murder. The suspect actually took an action which was clearly
aimed at killing the victim (but failed in its endeavour).

If the person is an experienced sharpshooter and shoots you in the lower
leg, one could argue that this was just premeditated wounding instead of an
attempted murder since that person probably could have hit you right
between the eyes if he/she had wanted to.
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Old February 15th 07, 02:27 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:59:50 -0600, in a place far, far away, Jim
made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

Me thinks that she'll end up only facing one or two (reduced) assault and
battery charges...

Assault, with pepper spray, is all she really did...


Nope. It's a pretty open/shut case of attempted murder.


Another shining example of your failure to properly interpret what is
really happening in the world around you.


I disagree.

Spraying someone with pepper
spray is, at most, simple assault.


If that were all there were, I'd agree.

She brought a BB gun and a knife,
neither of which was brandished or otherwise used. Could possibly go
with an added "with intent to do great bodily harm" but that's
doubtful.


Then explain all the other items that she brought along? What was her
intent? Sorry, but it's open and shut.
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Old February 15th 07, 04:39 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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On Feb 15, 9:27 am, (Rand Simberg)
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:59:50 -0600, in a place far, far away, Jim
made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

Me thinks that she'll end up only facing one or two (reduced) assault and
battery charges...


Assault, with pepper spray, is all she really did...


Nope. It's a pretty open/shut case of attempted murder.

Another shining example of your failure to properly interpret what is
really happening in the world around you.


I disagree.


I'm sure you do, others do agree, however.


Spraying someone with pepper
spray is, at most, simple assault.


If that were all there were, I'd agree.

She brought a BB gun and a knife,
neither of which was brandished or otherwise used. Could possibly go
with an added "with intent to do great bodily harm" but that's
doubtful.


Then explain all the other items that she brought along? What was her
intent? Sorry, but it's open and shut.


No it isn't! Nothing is open/shut when 'attempted' is in the charge.
The prosecution must prove without a reasonable doubt that Nowak was
going to kill her target. Where was she going to dispose of the body?

Does Nowak lack a conscience? Someone is going to have to prove that
as well.

Eric

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Old February 15th 07, 04:35 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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On Feb 15, 8:59 am, Jim wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:40:05 GMT, (Rand

Simberg) wrote:

Me thinks that she'll end up only facing one or two (reduced) assault and
battery charges...


Assault, with pepper spray, is all she really did...


Nope. It's a pretty open/shut case of attempted murder.


Another shining example of your failure to properly interpret what is
really happening in the world around you. Spraying someone with pepper
spray is, at most, simple assault. She brought a BB gun and a knife,
neither of which was brandished or otherwise used. Could possibly go
with an added "with intent to do great bodily harm" but that's
doubtful.


True enough. I was going to add that never is any case open/shut when
the word "attempted" is part of the charge.

Eric

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and scratch where it itches!! RN does NOT mean Real Nerd!



 




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