New SLV, ICBM commonality

On 3 Feb 2004 14:17:09 -0800, (ed kyle) wrote:

What could be new here is an ICBM replacement for Minuteman
that might incorporate Pegasus-derived motors. In other
words, an ICBM derived from a nonmilitary rocket.


OSC has already thought of that, sort of, with its Minotaur booster.
See:

http://www.orbital.com/SpaceLaunch/Minotaur/index.html





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Michael Gallagher wrote in message . ..
On 31 Jan 2004 20:10:20 -0800, (ed kyle) wrote:

Now I understand why Orbital Sciences has become so involved
in the DoD suborbital business.


Aside from the fact OSC has been involved in that for a few years now,
it's worth remembering that the Space Shuttle and the Saturn series
are the only US oribital boosters (does Scout count?) not derived from
ICBMs. The Atlast V is a descendant of the Altas ICBM; Delta came
from the Thor IRBM. And the Titan 3 is obviously a titan ICBM with
strap-on solids. For a few years, the USAF used leftover Atlas and
Titan ICBMs to lauch small satellites; Clemintine was launched on a
Titan 2 out of Vandenberg AFB IIRC. OSC's plan for the OSP
Peacekeeper booster (
http://www.orbital.com/SpaceLaunch/OSP2/index.html ) continues the
trend, which this SLV/ICBM idea follows.

So what else is new?


What could be new here is an ICBM replacement for Minuteman
that might incorporate Pegasus-derived motors. In other
words, an ICBM derived from a nonmilitary rocket.

- Ed Kyle

On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 11:38:12 -0500, Michael Gallagher
wrote:

On 31 Jan 2004 20:10:20 -0800, (ed kyle) wrote:

Now I understand why Orbital Sciences has become so involved
in the DoD suborbital business.


Aside from the fact OSC has been involved in that for a few years now,
it's worth remembering that the Space Shuttle and the Saturn series

Saturn I and IB's first stages are loosely derived from Jupiter/Thor.

are the only US oribital boosters (does Scout count?)

Yes, Scout made orbit from time to time.

Brian

On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:13:23 -0600, Brian Thorn
wrote:

Saturn I and IB's first stages are loosely derived from Jupiter/Thor.


Ok.

Yes, Scout made orbit from time to time.


Duh. But was it derived from military hardware?




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On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 11:38:12 -0500, Michael Gallagher
wrote:

On 31 Jan 2004 20:10:20 -0800, (ed kyle) wrote:

Now I understand why Orbital Sciences has become so involved
in the DoD suborbital business.


Aside from the fact OSC has been involved in that for a few years now,
it's worth remembering that the Space Shuttle and the Saturn series

Saturn I and IB's first stages are loosely derived from Jupiter/Thor.

are the only US oribital boosters (does Scout count?)

Yes, Scout made orbit from time to time.

Brian

Michael Gallagher wrote in message . ..
On 31 Jan 2004 20:10:20 -0800, (ed kyle) wrote:

Now I understand why Orbital Sciences has become so involved
in the DoD suborbital business.


Aside from the fact OSC has been involved in that for a few years now,
it's worth remembering that the Space Shuttle and the Saturn series
are the only US oribital boosters (does Scout count?) not derived from
ICBMs. The Atlast V is a descendant of the Altas ICBM; Delta came
from the Thor IRBM. And the Titan 3 is obviously a titan ICBM with
strap-on solids. For a few years, the USAF used leftover Atlas and
Titan ICBMs to lauch small satellites; Clemintine was launched on a
Titan 2 out of Vandenberg AFB IIRC. OSC's plan for the OSP
Peacekeeper booster (
http://www.orbital.com/SpaceLaunch/OSP2/index.html ) continues the
trend, which this SLV/ICBM idea follows.

So what else is new?


What could be new here is an ICBM replacement for Minuteman
that might incorporate Pegasus-derived motors. In other
words, an ICBM derived from a nonmilitary rocket.

- Ed Kyle

Michael Gallagher wrote in message . ..
On 31 Jan 2004 20:10:20 -0800, (ed kyle) wrote:

Now I understand why Orbital Sciences has become so involved
in the DoD suborbital business.


Aside from the fact OSC has been involved in that for a few years now,
it's worth remembering that the Space Shuttle and the Saturn series
are the only US oribital boosters (does Scout count?) not derived from
ICBMs. The Atlast V is a descendant of the Altas ICBM; Delta came
from the Thor IRBM. And the Titan 3 is obviously a titan ICBM with
strap-on solids. For a few years, the USAF used leftover Atlas and
Titan ICBMs to lauch small satellites; Clemintine was launched on a
Titan 2 out of Vandenberg AFB IIRC. OSC's plan for the OSP
Peacekeeper booster (
http://www.orbital.com/SpaceLaunch/OSP2/index.html ) continues the
trend, which this SLV/ICBM idea follows.

So what else is new?


What could be new here is an ICBM replacement for Minuteman
that might incorporate Pegasus-derived motors. In other
words, an ICBM derived from a nonmilitary rocket.

- Ed Kyle

On 31 Jan 2004 20:10:20 -0800, (ed kyle) wrote:

Now I understand why Orbital Sciences has become so involved
in the DoD suborbital business.


Aside from the fact OSC has been involved in that for a few years now,
it's worth remembering that the Space Shuttle and the Saturn series
are the only US oribital boosters (does Scout count?) not derived from
ICBMs. The Atlast V is a descendant of the Altas ICBM; Delta came
from the Thor IRBM. And the Titan 3 is obviously a titan ICBM with
strap-on solids. For a few years, the USAF used leftover Atlas and
Titan ICBMs to lauch small satellites; Clemintine was launched on a
Titan 2 out of Vandenberg AFB IIRC. OSC's plan for the OSP
Peacekeeper booster (
http://www.orbital.com/SpaceLaunch/OSP2/index.html ) continues the
trend, which this SLV/ICBM idea follows.

So what else is new?



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Documents relating to new ICBM requirements are now at

http://www.wslfweb.org/space/spacedocs.htm

Allen Thomson wrote in message
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Documents relating to new ICBM requirements are now at

http://www.wslfweb.org/space/spacedocs.htm

Wish that the Midgetman program would be reconsidered, no reason not to have
road mobile missiles, now that Russia has SS-27s in road-mobile launchers.