China's Forbidden Moon (MEL1/moon L1)

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"Brad Guth" wrote in message
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Revised Guth swag/rant of our global warming day.

Topic: USA urges scientists to block out sun

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"Brad Guth" wrote in message
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Perhaps far better than relocating Sedna into our L1 (at best that's
a good century away no matters what), as a somewhat better notion
yet, we could just resolve all sorts of pesky problems by way of
moving our global roasting moon out to Earth's L1. Thereby getting
rid of all sorts of spare mascon/tidal energy that's inside and out
affecting our environment in a very GW and geophysical bad sort of
way.

How hard could that possibly be?

After all, it's already coasting efficiently along in a good enough
far off orbit to start with, and there's hardly a village idiot soul
on Earth That's smart enough to give a tinkers damn about it.

We'd just end up having ourselves a somewhat better sol+moon 24 hour
tide, which should be much less disruptive than the ongoing pesky
tidal fiasco we've got to deal with as is.

If subsequently our Earth gets too cold, with hardly any applied energy
we could simply send our moon into the sun, or we could try the good old
reliable alternative of simply polluting the living crapolla out of
mother Earth (we're already expert wizards at doing that), creating butt
loads of nasty soot and the full gauntlet range of deploying toxic and
environmental trashing chemicals everywhere, or if push comes down to
shove, simply relocate the wealthy and most powerful folks to our moon
that's rather efficiently parked at Earth's L1, or perhaps employ WW-III
as our local global energy domination war to end all such silly wars
because, by then we'd be pretty much out of the required energy for
making all of those nifty chemical and nuclear bombs, by which utilizing
our healthy cache of such items should otherwise compensate by way of
warming things back up for at least another decade or so.
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Relocating our moon to Earth's L1 may seem a touch daunting, but with a
yaysay mindset and a constructive sense of motivation, most anything
becomes possible, especially if it pertains to saving your own butt or
of those butts you most admirer or worship.

The last time I'd checked, our somewhat salty and possibly semi-hollow
moon only weighed 7.35e22 kg.

Therefore, 7.35e13 kg of applied force (that's only 73.5 gigatonnes) for
a considerable amount of time should do the trick. Or, if we played our
billiard cards just right and diverted a few NEOs into our moon at just
the right timing and angle (china seems to be coming right along with
that sort of kinetic impact expertise), that should get the old ball
rolling at least in the right direction, and once and for all terminate
those pesky NEOs at the same time. I'd have to call that one yet
another win-win for old gipper.

Of course the more than affordable alternative of simply implementing
terajoules worth of clean renewable terrestrial energy might stay off
the continual global warming trend that's primarily caused by our
absolutely massive and unfortunately nearby moon, and as otherwise
assisted along by our own arrogant and greedy ways of having rather
badly done things for the past couple of centuries. In which case the
moon can stay put and the LSE-CM/ISS can still become a good part of
that saving Earth analogy, by way of giving us loads of clean tether
dipole extracted energy plus efficient access as to whatever can be
rather easily pillaged and plundered out of the moon itself (we could
even put Halliburton plus the likes of Exxon and ENRON in charge,
because, it shouldn't hadly matter how badly they manage to trash our
moon).
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"Brad Guth" wrote in message
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First of all, I believe China knows best, whereas taboo/nondisclosure
worthy topic or not, Earth w/o moon would still be humanly livable,
although soon enough becoming an icy cold sucker and we'd all have to
learn how to effectively snowshoe and ski. However, Earth w/o
magnetosphere will soon become a larger version of Mars, and thus not so
surface livable, especially as the solar winds rip and excavate away at
our badly polluted atmosphere that's otherwise getting more and more
locked up in the form of ice, soon to become partially polar dry-ice.

An ongoing question is: What can we best afford to move into Earth's L1
that'll give us the most interactive control of shade, and still provide
us with multiple other nifty considerations that are much better off
than we currently have to work with?

The previous pun of a notion that's on behalf of relocating Sedna to
Earth's L1 might eventually become one of our best solutions for
accomplishing a solar shade that's a little big but otherwise capable of
becoming just about the right size of solar shade. However, as for my
going along with John Schilling, I'd have to agree that a relocation of
Sedna to Earth's L1 is a stretch, not to mention a serious long term
alternative that sucks at being at least a good century at best away
from benefiting our GW situation, that's only going to get worse per
year after year no matters what. Or, don't you folks fully appreciate
where the vast majority of our ice age thawing and ongoing GW energy is
actually coming from?

Did by chance any of you folks even once bother to ask our resident
lord/wizard William Mook, as to exactly how much tonnage of U238/U235
we're talking about, as per relocating our very own moon, to Earth's L1?

Or, what if instead of wasting a perfectly good 2000 kg cache of U238
that we're likely going to need for WW-III, we simply utilized Sedna's
arriving worth of KE, as for having a direct impact at just the right
timing and angle?

Say if Sedna's icy mass of 5e21 kg were orchestrated on behalf of
arriving at the final moon impact velocity of 2 km/s = 1e28 x eff joules

Even if that were at 10% KE impact efficiency, that's offering 1e27
joules, although a rear-ender/(sucker punch) at 1 km/sec would become a
much softer 2.5e26 joules, that by rights should still accomplish a
little something impressive.
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Alternative if not a whole lot better local Plan-B: Relocate our moon

Relocating lunar mass via L2 deployed tether, far out past the moon's L2
point of no return. Say going way out there for using this 2X L2, and
say we/robotics somehow manage to place 1e9 tonnes out there on the
tippy end of that nifty 2X L2 tethered distance away from the moon's CG,
a placement distance of roughly 129,400 km for starters seems perfectly
doable.

How much applied exit or delta-v force is that going to provide?

Here's the best preliminary math that seems about right.

2X moon L2 = 129,400 km

129,400 / 384,400 = .33663

Orbital velocity: 1.33663 x 1.023 km/s = 1.367 km/s

2X L2 orbital Earth velocity = 1.367 km/s (in relation to Earth)

2X L2 orbital moon velocity = 344.421 m/s (in relation to the moon)

Centripetal/Centrifugal force: Fc=MV2/r
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/cf.html#cf

If we're given the 2X L2 orbital mass of 1e12 kg (including whatever's
tether)

Moon's 2X L2: Fc=MV2/r = 9.167374e8 N = 93,481 tonnes

Earth/moon 2X L2: Fc=MV2/r = 3.637e9 N = 370,871 tonnes

That's a combined total of 464,353 tonnes of centrifugal applied force
that's worthy of accomplishing something, especially when applied over
the time span of perhaps a few years, of which I don't believe it'll
actually take all that long, or even nearly the 1e12 kg placement of
mass at the moon's 2X L2.

Roughly/swag speaking; using this moon L2 package of 1e12 kg in
tethered mass acting as a physical tug upon getting that nasty moon
further away from Earth, how long will it take for that task of getting
rid of our moon (relocated to Earth L1 that is)?

Seems having our moon relocated to Earth's L1 is actually a
multi-tasking win-win for accomplishing all sorts of future science and
space exploration, and otherwise of direct benefit to our environment,
and of most everything else I can think of seems better off. As for the
naysay or whatever negatives, at least thus far I have a list of zilch
to offer because, it even benefits my LSE-CM/ISS that can still deploy
its tether dipole element to within 4r of Earth, and there's lots more
to consider if you still have that yaysay open mindset to work with.
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"Brad Guth" wrote in message
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Why is so much of Mailgate/Usenet becoming "Mailgate: Message not
available"?
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Why all the topic/author stalking and bashings, or why otherwise all
the topic/author banishment?

What's so forbidden about our moon or of its L1?
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Brad Guth