Why the hell isn't this a no-brainer?

Oh, sorry. That's not what was intended.

What was intended was to say, perhaps in a manner not in good taste, that it seems a certainty disaster is in the works. I'm not happy about it. I am angry, angry that these government *******s are risking the lives of these astronauts. It seems asinine.

Let's hope, as I do (and as I know we all hope), that it doesn't end in disaster.

BTW, back in the early '80s I was watching a TV news report of another scrubbed shuttle launch, and I correctly predicted then to my girlfriend at the time that a major disaster would befall the shuttle. Call it a gut feeling--one that I felt was a certainty.

Then again I recall announcing to friends some time after the 1993 bombing of the WTC my "gut feeling" that terrorists would one day take another crack at those buildings.

"Doctor Bombay" wrote in message ...

"Are bets being taken online (or offline) anywhere that the shuttle will
explode tomorrow?

I am most certainly not a regular contributor to this newsgroup simply
because I do not have a lot of technical knowledge of all things
"shuttle".But i do follow it regularly. This comment above has got to be one
of the most ignorant postings I have ever seen. Asking if there are bets
being taken as to weather the shuttle will explode?
Absolutley unbelievable.
The crew of the Discovery risk their lives every time they enter the Space
Shuttle and you boil it down to a joke.
Would you be happy if it did explode? WOULD THAT MAKE YOU HAPPY?????
Whoever and wherever you are, you need to keep comments like that to
yourself, because the crew and everyone else involved in the shuttle program
are doing what they do to serve one purpose and one purpose only.
To better mankind and to gain a further understanding of the world(s) around
us.
I simply cannot believe that there are people on this earth that would enjoy
seeing the Shuttle come to an early demise.
We have many flags flying out of cars and balcony windows here where I live
(Southern Ontario) that are all put there for the World Cup teams that they
are rooting for. I.E Germany, Portugal, Italy etc.
My flag will be saying GO DISCOVERY GO!!!!!
To you, my friend who posted this insult, I only hope that your GPS system
that bounces off a satellite that NASA was instrumental in putting in orbit,
leaves you stranded in the middle of nowhere.

GO DISCOVERY GO!!!

I have been watching STS's for a long time. I have always been nervous,
esp since STS 51-L. I watched nerviously as STS-114 passed over my
house on their last orbit, prior to de-orbit burn, and wondering if
they will be alive in one hours's time. Well, obviously my nerves were
not a sign of future events. Andy, you might have some. I can't say.


All that to say this:

I get a sense that even NASA Admin. Griffin is also nervous. Anybody
recall how he seemed a little bit testy with some of the reporters last
week at his last appearance at the Launch Readiness Review briefing
last week? Even as much as Wayne Hale's style is always comforting in
his briefings, there seems to be an underlying current he They both
seem to be positioning themselves in a way that could be viewed as
(after a major vehicle event) "Well we told you that there will be
risks in this business". I know they know there are risks to every
flight. I know that, and anybody who is in the space program knows
that. However, there is a little more effort to lean to caution in
their risk accessment stance, it seems to me.

STS-114 (pre-launch) seemed to have a more jubulant "feel" to me than
now, from the crew to NASA department heads. Maybe it was the fact that
NASA felt they had the foam issues fixed, and now they are not sure -
so that makes everybody seem unsure about this mission.







Andy MacAskill wrote:
Oh, sorry. That's not what was intended.

What was intended was to say, perhaps in a manner not in good taste, that it seems a certainty disaster is in the works. I'm not happy about it. I am angry, angry that these government *******s are risking the lives of these astronauts. It seems asinine.

Let's hope, as I do (and as I know we all hope), that it doesn't end in disaster.

BTW, back in the early '80s I was watching a TV news report of another scrubbed shuttle launch, and I correctly predicted then to my girlfriend at the time that a major disaster would befall the shuttle. Call it a gut feeling--one that I felt was a certainty.

Then again I recall announcing to friends some time after the 1993 bombing of the WTC my "gut feeling" that terrorists would one day take another crack at those buildings.

"Doctor Bombay" wrote in message ...

"Are bets being taken online (or offline) anywhere that the shuttle will
explode tomorrow?

I am most certainly not a regular contributor to this newsgroup simply
because I do not have a lot of technical knowledge of all things
"shuttle".But i do follow it regularly. This comment above has got to be one
of the most ignorant postings I have ever seen. Asking if there are bets
being taken as to weather the shuttle will explode?
Absolutley unbelievable.
The crew of the Discovery risk their lives every time they enter the Space
Shuttle and you boil it down to a joke.
Would you be happy if it did explode? WOULD THAT MAKE YOU HAPPY?????
Whoever and wherever you are, you need to keep comments like that to
yourself, because the crew and everyone else involved in the shuttle program
are doing what they do to serve one purpose and one purpose only.
To better mankind and to gain a further understanding of the world(s) around
us.
I simply cannot believe that there are people on this earth that would enjoy
seeing the Shuttle come to an early demise.
We have many flags flying out of cars and balcony windows here where I live
(Southern Ontario) that are all put there for the World Cup teams that they
are rooting for. I.E Germany, Portugal, Italy etc.
My flag will be saying GO DISCOVERY GO!!!!!
To you, my friend who posted this insult, I only hope that your GPS system
that bounces off a satellite that NASA was instrumental in putting in orbit,
leaves you stranded in the middle of nowhere.

GO DISCOVERY GO!!!

In article ,
"Andy MacAskill" wrote:

Don't take chances. Don't launch.

And I'm no expert.

Flying it does some good. Sitting on the ground does less, and the odds
will not improve much.

Yes, the shuttle is a pig, but we have commitments to keep.

On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 02:14:46 GMT, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
wrote:

Don't take chances. Don't launch.

Don't take chances. Don't get out of bed.

And God Forbid, don't go in the world's most dangerous room...
the Bathroom. People are injured and die in those deathtraps all the
time, but we foolish humans still blindly go where everyone has gone
before...

Brian

"Andy MacAskill" wrote in message
...
Oh, sorry. That's not what was intended.

What was intended was to say, perhaps in a manner not in good taste, that
it seems a certainty disaster is in the works. I'm not happy about it. I am
angry, angry that these government *******s are risking the lives of these
astronauts. It seems asinine.
_________________________

The astronauts risk their lives every day in training. Sailors risk their
lives every day on the high seas. Oil rig workers - same. Coal miners -
ditto. Soldiers - likewise. You want something that no one can
guarantee - a completely safe ride into space on what is in essence, if not
in fact, a large explosive device. At some point, we all have to cross the
road, dangerous though it may be. I agree that the Shuttle is overdue for
mothballs. But it's what we have (and is quite versatile once you get it
up there), so we must do the best we can until we get a replacement.

George

Well, I think they did so much testing on this tank that they are confident
that only small areas such as this can possibly come off.

I'm just glad its not my decision. Sometimes people can be right, sometimes
not, and I suppose it comes down to dealing with experience versus absolute
complete confidence, but then, the latter can never be found!

Brian

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"Andy MacAskill" wrote in message
...
Don't take chances. Don't launch.

And I'm no expert.

"Andy MacAskill" wrote in message
...
Don't take chances. Don't launch.
And I'm no expert.

Launching humans into orbit will never be safe. Chances are taken every
single time. Safe return for Apollo crews was rated at no better than 50:50.

It's just a question of where you draw the line of unacceptable risk. And
that's something that people will never agree on.

"Andy MacAskill" wrote:

:Oh, sorry. That's not what was intended.
:
:What was intended was to say, perhaps in a manner not in good taste, that it seems a certainty disaster is in the works. I'm not happy about it. I am angry, angry that these government *******s are risking the lives of these astronauts. It seems asinine.
:
:Let's hope, as I do (and as I know we all hope), that it doesn't end in disaster.
:
:BTW, back in the early '80s I was watching a TV news report of another scrubbed shuttle launch, and I correctly predicted then to my girlfriend at the time that a major disaster would befall the shuttle. Call it a gut feeling--one that I felt was a certainty.
:
:Then again I recall announcing to friends some time after the 1993 bombing of the WTC my "gut feeling" that terrorists would one day take another crack at those buildings.

Gee, top posting, too ignorant to set your newsreader to wrap the
lines, AND convinced of your own 20/20 hindsight. No doubt you're now
congratulating yourself on predicting that all would be well.

I suspect that 20/20 hindsight may have something to do with where
you're keeping your head....

--
"We come into the world and take our chances.
Fate is just the weight of circumstances.
That's the way that Lady Luck dances.
Roll the bones...."
-- "Roll The Bones", Rush

In article .com,
(Bob Haller) wrote:

*From:* "Bob Haller"
*Date:* 3 Jul 2006 18:06:04 -0700

its (sic) called flying safely or not at all, and the CAIB said
dont (sic) let schedule pressure decide

And schedule pressure didn't decide. So the CAIB, and you, should be
happy. But I guess you never will be.

Malcolm B

"Brian Thorn" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 02:14:46 GMT, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
wrote:

Don't take chances. Don't launch.

Don't take chances. Don't get out of bed.

And God Forbid, don't go in the world's most dangerous room...
the Bathroom. People are injured and die in those deathtraps all the
time, but we foolish humans still blindly go where everyone has gone
before...

Best stay out of the kitchen too. Too many sharp objects in there.

Jeff
--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
safety"
- B. Franklin, Bartlett's Familiar Quotations (1919)