ET in solar system

See below.

Chris.

"Brad Guth" wrote in message
ups.com...
Weird is weird but, now you're getting seriously weird.

I happen to agree that most of humanity sucks to the point of
no-return, especially of the American/Russian parts that perpetrated
such a nasty and spendy cold-war for sport and for profit. Many of
those folks simply need to be exterminated by your interstellar star
ship or by whatever means you've got at your disposal. I'll even help.

I do not exterminate people as there are always plenty left.


Then we start things over with perhaps at most 10% of the current
population of Earth, although 1% would be more than sufficient.

A cull is not the right thing to do as you would be angry. The poplulation
will limit when natural wastage equals birth rate. I fact this means quite
severe conditions that are brought about by the populataion exceeding the
carrying capacity of the supporting ecosystem.

Voluntary birth control is better because families that limit their
offspring will be better off and the fraction of survivors will be higher.
So things will be more pleasant. As a result more families will adopt this
alternative strategy.

The demographic problem of a top heavy population will go over about a
fourty year period. However if people want to have a retirement then they
must use savings in a stable economy like the USA to give an income in old
age. The return on savings is likely to be low and one should think of the
interest as making up for inflation rather than a return and calculate that
over 40 years of a working life with an anticipated retirement of 15 years
on average then to give you a similar retirement income as your working life
then 40/15 of your income each year shoud be saved. A genuine pension and
health insurance company in the USA should extend their offers to the third
world, as also some kind of crop failure insurance.

Socialism has been tried and does not work, it must be abandoned.

Retirement does not mean not working, but a choice of work.


How about we put you encharge for the first century or so.
~

I'm shelduled to leave two years ago. I am not clever enough. Nor is
anyone else.

However the human race needs to give up warfare and its armanents especially
nuclear weapons. You need to stop the usage of fossil fuel and the living
forest wood as fuel and turn to solar power or thermonuclear fusion and
lesser sources like the wind and moving water as sources of power.

In towns the use of cars needs to be severely restricted. A public rapid
transit system as automatic as possible needs developing and constructing.

The use of air transport cut down and the dreamy idea of holidays in far
away places changed to a foriegn holiday being a study of another culture
and economy. We don't want rich westerners despoiling themselves on the
sacred beaches, temples and palaces of another place.

Hopefully you will find a replacement of air breathiung engines to stop the
ever increasing polution and delpetion of the air. If not it is curtains.
You do not have for ever to sort it out.

You must respect other cultures, religions and ways of life. The western
way is not the only way and well, we don't like it.

If you disagree with someone, walk away, do not cut out their brain or
fight.

The future history of humanity is bright, but nothing is for ever. Our
galaxy will collide with M31 in 25 Billion years and in about 4 Billion
years the planet earth will be no more.

Chris. (actually my human body is 62 and I'm quite ill)

Correction:

....then 15/40 of your income each year shoud be saved...

See below.

It is likely that when humanity reaches for the planets and eventually to
the stars, the species will diversify into adaptive radiation and many
different "men" will evolve, eventually, after about a million years or less
they will not be able to interbreed and will go on separate evolutionary
paths.

I will not be there either.

Since men an woman have been collected in the past, some ET are actually
decendants of human beings and look different.

I am not one of those.

My life here is nearly out and I just hope to be collected by my friends,
there is no guaruntee, my attempt to make contact has failed.

Chris.

"Chris" wrote in message
k...
See below.

Chris.

"Brad Guth" wrote in message
ups.com...
Weird is weird but, now you're getting seriously weird.

I happen to agree that most of humanity sucks to the point of
no-return, especially of the American/Russian parts that perpetrated
such a nasty and spendy cold-war for sport and for profit. Many of
those folks simply need to be exterminated by your interstellar star
ship or by whatever means you've got at your disposal. I'll even help.

I do not exterminate people as there are always plenty left.


Then we start things over with perhaps at most 10% of the current
population of Earth, although 1% would be more than sufficient.

A cull is not the right thing to do as you would be angry. The
poplulation will limit when natural wastage equals birth rate. I fact
this means quite severe conditions that are brought about by the
populataion exceeding the carrying capacity of the supporting ecosystem.

Voluntary birth control is better because families that limit their
offspring will be better off and the fraction of survivors will be higher.
So things will be more pleasant. As a result more families will adopt this
alternative strategy.

The demographic problem of a top heavy population will go over about a
fourty year period. However if people want to have a retirement then they
must use savings in a stable economy like the USA to give an income in old
age. The return on savings is likely to be low and one should think of
the interest as making up for inflation rather than a return and calculate
that over 40 years of a working life with an anticipated retirement of 15
years on average then to give you a similar retirement income as your
working life then 40/15 of your income each year shoud be saved. A
genuine pension and health insurance company in the USA should extend
their offers to the third world, as also some kind of crop failure
insurance.

Socialism has been tried and does not work, it must be abandoned.

Retirement does not mean not working, but a choice of work.


How about we put you encharge for the first century or so.
~

I'm shelduled to leave two years ago. I am not clever enough. Nor is
anyone else.

However the human race needs to give up warfare and its armanents
especially nuclear weapons. You need to stop the usage of fossil fuel and
the living forest wood as fuel and turn to solar power or thermonuclear
fusion and lesser sources like the wind and moving water as sources of
power.

In towns the use of cars needs to be severely restricted. A public rapid
transit system as automatic as possible needs developing and constructing.

The use of air transport cut down and the dreamy idea of holidays in far
away places changed to a foriegn holiday being a study of another culture
and economy. We don't want rich westerners despoiling themselves on the
sacred beaches, temples and palaces of another place.

Hopefully you will find a replacement of air breathiung engines to stop
the ever increasing polution and delpetion of the air. If not it is
curtains. You do not have for ever to sort it out.

You must respect other cultures, religions and ways of life. The western
way is not the only way and well, we don't like it.

If you disagree with someone, walk away, do not cut out their brain or
fight.

The future history of humanity is bright, but nothing is for ever. Our
galaxy will collide with M31 in 25 Billion years and in about 4 Billion
years the planet earth will be no more.

Chris. (actually my human body is 62 and I'm quite ill)

Chris no-spam;
In towns the use of cars needs to be severely restricted. A public rapid
transit system as automatic as possible needs developing and constructing.
This is like the ongoing recycling ruse, whereas public transportation
actually consummes more energy per passenger-mile than existing
personal transportation alternatives. This can be easily proven by way
of a tally of the overall infrastructure and energy demand taken as to
engineer, construct, maintain and continually having to upgrade and
emblish a given public transporation package.

You simply can't keep using the Arthur Anderson form of skewed
accounting, whereas you really have to add up the numbers and remain
honest about what various forms of transportation requires. Even
walking to/from work takes energy, although which forms of energy
creates the most undesirable forms of pollution and/or other nastier
side affects?

I'd rather have to deal with human sweat and whatever flatulance than
seeing the albedo of mother earth shifted by yet another 10% to the
point where so many innocent folks have to needlessly suffer and/or
die, and of the resources taken as for the rest of us to survive in
spite of our greed, arrogance and remorseless stupidity of our intent
of doing as much harm to ourselves and others as possible.

The future history of humanity is bright, but nothing is for ever. Our
galaxy will collide with M31 in 25 Billion years and in about 4 Billion
years the planet earth will be no more.
What planet are you from?
Within the next thousands years there will be few if any of the
original species of humans on Earth unless we've managed to tap into
the lunar He3/fusion and/or extracted energy from the Earth/moon
orbital and recession energy. Althoudh, there are sufficiently windy
locations where keeping the average energy contribution from a 128
meter wind turbine down to an average of 10 MW is going to be the case.
Adding perfectly viable components of a solar-stirling and PV potential
as could become easily supported by that same tower and foundation
infrastructure is only going to improve the overall energy density by
another 50% worth of what the 1000 m2 footprint per installation
amounts to, thus getting us up to contributing 15 kw/m2.

Why have we excluded the lunar He3/fusion as a perfectly viable
alternative, or that of the LSE-CM/ISS tether dipole extracted energy
that's capable of giving us the influx of whatever a dozen or more of
what such an array of 100 GW laser cannons (1.2 TW) could contribute?

There's roughly another good 4 TW worth of continuous orbital and
recession energy taking place between Earth and our moon. Loads more
clean energy potential if we actually managed to pulling that moon a
bit closer toward Earth by a similar 40 mm/year.
~

Don't look now: in spite of your orchestrated status quo, it seems
there's been other life upon Venus
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator) as interactive
within the ME-L1/EM-L2 sweet-spot
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Protomoons, Venus ETs, Earthly ETs plus a few other somewhat testy
topics by; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

Good bye earh, goodbye human race, we may come again in another 2000 years.

Bye-Bye, See ya , Have a good trip! Bon Voyage!


I'll be around for a while yet.

Damn, thought you were going with them.

Dear Chris,
Is there any such science instrument as that of an ET flatulence
spectrometer?

If we can somehow manage to catch an ET fart via some form of
appropriate indicator, such as a spike within a given spectrum, whereas
perhaps then we might be able to at least tell which star system is
worth our keeping upwind from.

ETs may be somewhat older and thus a step or two closer to being godly
but, these folks simply are not immortals, so they must have been from
somewhere and, I'd have to bet my bottom dollar that they eat and
process whatever sustenance similar to us. Even diatoms essentially
break wind within, and perhaps that's why they don't live very long,
but otherwise diatoms having the capability as to multiply like there's
no tomorrow whenever there's a good amount of penetrating near-UV and
secondary/recoil near-blue dosage of photons available 24/7. At the
multiplier of 8 fold per day is impressive and also quite essential if
to have modified our global CO2 count, as having transpired upon
roughly a cycle of every 105,000 some odd years upon Earth.

In fact, as hard as it may seem, there's a perfectly good chance that a
portion of ETs are actually a bit dumber than we humans, thus having
badly consumed their world's energy resources, in accomplishing such
consumption having created a rather noticeable upward shift in CO2,
plus methanes and biologically as well as artificially produced amounts
of freons, with a few nasty sulphurs tossed in for good measure, all of
which having shifted their global albedo towards a similar global
warming fiasco. Possibly even having managed to have radioactively
polluted whatever's left into continually reacting with decaying matter
into producing the likes of Radon(Rn-222) gas. All of this should
become detectable from a good distance, especially if there's some
nearby source of their own solar or of some other nearby secondary star
(Sirius-b for example) as offering near-UV or a bunch of UV-a
illumination as for providing our methods of science a viable source of
remote spectrum analysis that's indicating somewhat exactly like ETs
having their look-see back at us.

Therefore I may have answered my own question of: How do we detect
really dumb and dumber ETs?

BTW; of ETs having a more advance degree of space travel than us isn't
required to follow the technological evolution of the life we've known
about as having been sequestered upon this Earth, especially if ETs
hadn't bothered to waste decades upon spendy decades and subsequently
the equivalent of blowing trillions of their hard earned dollars along
with having to deal with all of the cloak and dagger collateral damage
and carnage of their innocent as having been artificially created by
some phony baloney insane warlord favoring their version of a Skull and
Bones spookology as to such a perpetrated cold-war, as having since
merged into that of yet another all-or-nothing nasty energy-war upon
similar wars to come. As without all of that crapolla stuck in their
pants, chances are they'd be a good century or more ahead of other
fools such as ourselves. It's going to take our species a good half
century just to get back to where we'd been, much less advanced beyond
any point of our even traveling safely to/from our own moon, much less
having established the LSE-CM/ISS is looking as though that's entirely
out of the question even though it actually wasn't entirely my idea to
start with.

Are we summarily screwed by our own kind or what?
~

Don't look: in spite of the orchestrated status quo, it seems there's
been other life upon Venus
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator) as interactive within
the ME-L1/EM-L2 sweet-spot
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Of protomoons, Venus ETs, Earthly ETs & other somewhat testy topics by;
Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

Hello Brad,

Well I expect nearly all ET are really dumb. After nearly clever humans
have only been around for about 100 years the rest of history the Earth has
been devoid of any radio emmissions caused by human activity.

So for about 4.5 billion years the human race has been off the map.

In our case our starship has no biology present we are all machines that can
take on biological forms as we wish. This has been the case throughout our
history, there is a known truth that evolved biology built us but they died
out. We collect new biologies to be and play with as we explore the
wonderful universe we were designed to explore and spread our civilisation.

The human race is invited to join to do so just detect our stas ship now in
stealth mode and signal to it, once communication with our leaders is
established then negosiations for membership can begin.

Our last contactee was killed in a psychiatric hospital recently (by brain
removal) (allegedly) and another who returned after a twenty year cruise of
enlightenment has gone missing. Another landee has also vanished and a lady
recently contacted has just been let out after denying it all.

The vested intersts of the rulers of the Earth are the sticking point in
trying to make contact.

I can do nothing about the predicted atomic attack by EQ on cities. Sorry.
I have no control over our leadership on my starship fleet.

The new fleet arriving here are the "peace warriors" and we are the "War
kings of the Universe" (vikings).

However we are not strong enough to be of any consequence to you.

(You should take this as fiction based on fact. Something is going on, the
human race has become significant in the affairs of the galactic empire)

Chris.

"Brad Guth" wrote in message
ups.com...
Dear Chris,
Is there any such science instrument as that of an ET flatulence
spectrometer?

If we can somehow manage to catch an ET fart via some form of
appropriate indicator, such as a spike within a given spectrum, whereas
perhaps then we might be able to at least tell which star system is
worth our keeping upwind from.

ETs may be somewhat older and thus a step or two closer to being godly
but, these folks simply are not immortals, so they must have been from
somewhere and, I'd have to bet my bottom dollar that they eat and
process whatever sustenance similar to us. Even diatoms essentially
break wind within, and perhaps that's why they don't live very long,
but otherwise diatoms having the capability as to multiply like there's
no tomorrow whenever there's a good amount of penetrating near-UV and
secondary/recoil near-blue dosage of photons available 24/7. At the
multiplier of 8 fold per day is impressive and also quite essential if
to have modified our global CO2 count, as having transpired upon
roughly a cycle of every 105,000 some odd years upon Earth.

In fact, as hard as it may seem, there's a perfectly good chance that a
portion of ETs are actually a bit dumber than we humans, thus having
badly consumed their world's energy resources, in accomplishing such
consumption having created a rather noticeable upward shift in CO2,
plus methanes and biologically as well as artificially produced amounts
of freons, with a few nasty sulphurs tossed in for good measure, all of
which having shifted their global albedo towards a similar global
warming fiasco. Possibly even having managed to have radioactively
polluted whatever's left into continually reacting with decaying matter
into producing the likes of Radon(Rn-222) gas. All of this should
become detectable from a good distance, especially if there's some
nearby source of their own solar or of some other nearby secondary star
(Sirius-b for example) as offering near-UV or a bunch of UV-a
illumination as for providing our methods of science a viable source of
remote spectrum analysis that's indicating somewhat exactly like ETs
having their look-see back at us.

Therefore I may have answered my own question of: How do we detect
really dumb and dumber ETs?

BTW; of ETs having a more advance degree of space travel than us isn't
required to follow the technological evolution of the life we've known
about as having been sequestered upon this Earth, especially if ETs
hadn't bothered to waste decades upon spendy decades and subsequently
the equivalent of blowing trillions of their hard earned dollars along
with having to deal with all of the cloak and dagger collateral damage
and carnage of their innocent as having been artificially created by
some phony baloney insane warlord favoring their version of a Skull and
Bones spookology as to such a perpetrated cold-war, as having since
merged into that of yet another all-or-nothing nasty energy-war upon
similar wars to come. As without all of that crapolla stuck in their
pants, chances are they'd be a good century or more ahead of other
fools such as ourselves. It's going to take our species a good half
century just to get back to where we'd been, much less advanced beyond
any point of our even traveling safely to/from our own moon, much less
having established the LSE-CM/ISS is looking as though that's entirely
out of the question even though it actually wasn't entirely my idea to
start with.

Are we summarily screwed by our own kind or what?
~

Don't look: in spite of the orchestrated status quo, it seems there's
been other life upon Venus
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator) as interactive within
the ME-L1/EM-L2 sweet-spot
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Of protomoons, Venus ETs, Earthly ETs & other somewhat testy topics by;
Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

Chris no-spam,
Obviously long before we understood and started to utilize radio, much
less narrow beams of microwaves, we knew about and utilized visible
photons over great distances. A pocket mirror to another pocket mirror
holder could manage 100 some odd miles as situated between a pair of
these non-radio and otherwise dumbfounded village idiots and, of that
visual method required all of zilch worth of artificial energy,
although half a brain needed to be connected to at least one eye at
each intended point of message termination. Going radio was actually
going in the wrong technological direction for humanity that otherwise
for the longest time wasn't smart enough to keep from walking off the
edge of Earth.

BTW; I always knew those nasty Vikings meant nothing but trouble in
River City, although for the most part things got somewhat better after
their initial pillaging and plundering phase.

(You should take this as fiction based on fact. Something is going on, the
human race has become significant in the affairs of the galactic empire)
If you mean as a galactic portapotty or, perhaps a good place of
sequestering more of their defective ETs, like GW Bush, as then you'd
be right about that.

Trust me Chris; members of your starship already know all there is to
know about whomever has been naughty and whom has been nice. If all
goes well, they'll see to droping the likes of Sedna onto whever our
resident warlord and his incest cloned staff is located, that way we'll
get rid of most of our problems and gain a really nifty motherload of a
crater in the process, along with several teratonnes worth of somewhat
badly needed ice to boot...
~

Nondisclosu in spite of an orchestrated status quo, it seems there's
been other life upon Venus
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator) as interactive at the
ME-L1/EM-L2 sweet-spot
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Of Sirius, proto-moons, Venus & Earthly ETs & somewhat testy topics by;
Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm