Soyuz in Shuttle?

"Clark" stillnospam@me wrote in message
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"Terrell Miller" wrote in
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"Clark" stillnospam@me wrote in message
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do you really want the person working the robot arm to be the same
person that worked themselves to the brink of exchaustion theprevious
day doing an 8-hour EVA?

Hmmm, "brink of exhaustion"? maybe, maybe not.

Try "definitely". And try reading about how easy it is to do work in a
pressurized spacesuit. Example: the glove tips pinch your fingers so
tight that your fingernails can turn black from all the blood pooling
behind them.

I'll stand by my maybe. Please demonstrate that *every* EVA resulted in
exhausted personnel. There is a huge difference between tired and hurting
and
exhausted, medically speaking. Hint, exhausted people don't repeat the
cycle
in two days.


Mr. Clark is too boring to stay visible. Thanks for playing. plonk

"Clark" stillnospam@me wrote in message
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Mr. Clark is too boring to stay visible. Thanks for playing. plonk


And this is supposed to have some meaning or enertainment value?

The meaning is that you're in his killfile and he'll see no more posts from
you.

"Clark" stillnospam@me wrote in message
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"Terrell Miller" wrote in
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"Clark" stillnospam@me wrote in message
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do you really want the person working the robot arm to be the same
person that worked themselves to the brink of exchaustion theprevious
day doing an 8-hour EVA?

Hmmm, "brink of exhaustion"? maybe, maybe not.

Try "definitely". And try reading about how easy it is to do work in a
pressurized spacesuit. Example: the glove tips pinch your fingers so
tight that your fingernails can turn black from all the blood pooling
behind them.

I'll stand by my maybe. Please demonstrate that *every* EVA resulted in
exhausted personnel. There is a huge difference between tired and hurting
and
exhausted, medically speaking. Hint, exhausted people don't repeat the
cycle
in two days.

Pretty much every Hubble EVA has resulted in extremely tired people.

Keep in mind just how hard it is to do things. Every time you bend your
arms you're pressing against the pressure in your suit. Every time you're
closing your hands is far tougher than just wearing a pair of thick ski
gloves.

Even just standing upright is surprising tired since you have to use muscles
in oposition to keep your torso where you want (since you don't have gravity
to pull you down.)

Every time you pull on something, you'd better be prepared to push on
something else else Newton's Laws exact their due.

As Terrell said, blackened fingernails is pretty common, on the first day of
flight. It goes downhill from there.

And remember too, tired folks make more mistakes. Do you want tired folks
doing your work?

"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote:
"Clark" stillnospam@me wrote:

Mr. Clark is too boring to stay visible. Thanks for playing. plonk

Playing what?


And this is supposed to have some meaning or enertainment value?

The meaning is that you're in his killfile and he'll see no more posts
from
you.

Actually it is also an insult which often has the intent to hint to other
posters to ignore you and not respond to you anymore. At least around here
that has been my observation. Of course if I am wrong people will continue
to respond to your posts politely.

Exactly how much one should lose sleep over someone going by the name:

Dosco Jones

Dos cojones

http://www.wordreference.com/es/en/t...p?spen=cojones

Two nuts.

I am not sure. You decide. Personally, I favor the idea that a guy going
by the name "two nuts" does not want to look at what I post, among other
things:-) I certainly need not see anything he has to write. At least his
name is not Dosco "Blue" Jones.

http://www.queendom.com/tests/minitests/fx/cajones.html

Have fun;-)

--

Daniel
http://www.challengerdisaster.info
Mount Charleston, not Charleston, SC

"Clark" stillnospam@me wrote:
"Terrell Miller" wrote:
"Clark" stillnospam@me wrote:

do you really want the person working the robot arm to be the same
person that worked themselves to the brink of exchaustion theprevious
day doing an 8-hour EVA?

I'd prefer that they work no one to the brink of exhaustion around billion
dollar vehicles.

Hmmm, "brink of exhaustion"? maybe, maybe not.

You are getting sucked into a frivolous argument.

Try "definitely". And try reading about how easy it is to do work in a
pressurized spacesuit. Example: the glove tips pinch your fingers so
tight that your fingernails can turn black from all the blood pooling
behind them.

And you want to go to Mars?

I'll stand by my maybe. Please demonstrate that *every* EVA resulted in
exhausted personnel. There is a huge difference between tired and hurting
and
exhausted, medically speaking. Hint, exhausted people don't repeat the
cycle
in two days.

Even on the moon, the Apollo astronauts struggled in their moon suits. I
guess we are stuck in the 70s. Mars?

Didn't think so. Oh, and with a crew of four, one of each pair would
have to be fully-trained shuttle pilots, so now they have *three*
jobs to prepare for. *Bad* Clark, no cookie...

Exactly how did we handle that moon thing again? I am thinking maybe we
will need a crew of thirty to handle a Mars mission if I follow your
single-task approach to space flight correctly.

I'm sorry you have such a low opinion of a persons capabilities...

and I'm sorry you have no clue about mission training or EVA. Or
grammar, for that matter...

And people here want us to go back to the moon and on to Mars? With the
attitude reflected in some of the posts above you'd never know men have
already piloted the Command/Service Module and performed spacewalks on the
way back from the moon. It is amazing what a crew can do when there is only
room for three.

--

Daniel
http://www.challengerdisaster.info
Mount Charleston, not Charleston, SC
..

"Charleston" wrote in message
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"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote:
"Clark" stillnospam@me wrote:

Mr. Clark is too boring to stay visible. Thanks for playing.
plonk

Playing what?

Careful Charleston, you may lead others to think I said that. I didn't.
(for folks playing at home, note the number of )



And this is supposed to have some meaning or enertainment value?

The meaning is that you're in his killfile and he'll see no more posts
from
you.

Actually it is also an insult which often has the intent to hint to other
posters to ignore you and not respond to you anymore. At least around
here
that has been my observation. Of course if I am wrong people will
continue
to respond to your posts politely.

To be honest, I've generally found public plonking to be a bit silly
myself.

"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote:

Careful Charleston, you may lead others to think I said that. I didn't.
(for folks playing at home, note the number of )

Oops, sorry if I deleted one too many in thje clean-up process.

To be honest, I've generally found public plonking to be a bit silly
myself.

And ineffective too when others quote the one or two you do not want to see.
I know. I tried. It's pointless.

--

Daniel
http://www.challengerdisaster.info
Mount Charleston, not Charleston, SC

"Charleston" wrote in message
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And people here want us to go back to the moon and on to Mars? With the
attitude reflected in some of the posts above you'd never know men have
already piloted the Command/Service Module and performed spacewalks on the
way back from the moon. It is amazing what a crew can do when there is
only
room for three.

Apollo was substantially less complex than STS, sadly. The CMP spacewalks
were straightforward (go out, climb along the SM, get the film canisters and
such, come back in).

As far as the lunar EVAs, ISTR lots of little fubars made by pooped astros.
Nothing life-threatening as it turned out, but still lots of little
slip-ups.

--
Terrell Miller


"It's one thing to burn down the **** house and another thing entirely to
install plumbing"
-PJ O'Rourke

In article , Terrell Miller wrote:

And people here want us to go back to the moon and on to Mars? With the
attitude reflected in some of the posts above you'd never know men have
already piloted the Command/Service Module and performed spacewalks on the
way back from the moon. It is amazing what a crew can do when there is
only room for three.

Apollo was substantially less complex than STS, sadly. The CMP spacewalks
were straightforward (go out, climb along the SM, get the film canisters and
such, come back in).

Not to mention that you had two people who'd had good solid EVA
practical experience that week standing behind you, should something go
wrong, and no distractions around you except the perpetual danger of
gazing out going "ooooh..."

As far as the lunar EVAs, ISTR lots of little fubars made by pooped astros.
Nothing life-threatening as it turned out, but still lots of little
slip-ups.

Some of which were quite significant - the Apollo (15?) ALSEP breakages,
or the A12 camera, but I don't know if any of these were due to
tiredness.

--
-Andrew Gray