A New Model of the Expanding Universe

John Schutkeker wrote:
I would like to develop a new model which predicts that observational
astronomers will never find an image made by light that has crossed the
entire universe and passed it's original starting point. [...]

Thus the "edge" of the universe retreats at the speed of light, because
the light racing toward it is creating new space along the way.

If there is an edge of the universe, how could light ever come back?
If there is an edge of the universe, what lies beyond it?

Note no mainstream cosmological model has any edge.


Because no point in the universe is the center, the
edge of the universe is the point from which a photon originated.

When I turn on a flashlight you think that the edge of the universe is
inside my flashlight????


The people trying to find evidence for light crossing the horizon [...]

Who would do that? Light that crosses the edge of the universe would
seem to be gone.... But I though you were trying to discuss light coming
back to its origin.


The idea that light can circle the universe contains a built-in
assumption that the edge of the universe retreats at a speed less than
c.

Not at all. The idea that light can circle the universe contains a
built-in assumption that there is no edge of the universe. That is, that
space has the topology S^3 (a 3-d sphere) in which it is possible to
come back to its origin. If space did not have that topology it would
not be possible for light to return to its starting point (except via
obvious physical phenomena like mirrors and such [but is that the same
light?...]). While I suppose T^3 might also be possible, topologies like
SxR^2 and S^2xR are usually discarded as we expect space to be isotropic
and homogeneous (at least on cosmological scales). The only spatial
topologies of mainstream cosmological models are S^3 and R^3, neither of
which has any edge.


Starting with the central equation of general relativity and the
assumption that light carries space along with it, [...]

The latter is inconsistent with the former, at least in the way you use
it. Yes, the matter content of the manifold is inextricably related to
the geometry of the manifold, but the relationship is FAR more subtle
than you seem to think.

[...]


Tom Roberts

Tom Roberts wrote in news:E%DMd.533$hU7.163
@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:

When I turn on a flashlight you think that the edge of the universe is
inside my flashlight????

I think that the center of the universe is inside your flashlight ;-) .

Not at all. The idea that light can circle the universe contains a
built-in assumption that there is no edge of the universe.

You missed the part where I said that "edge" is a metaphor for the horizon
that every observer carries along with them.

Starting with the central equation of general relativity and the
assumption that light carries space along with it, [...]

The latter is inconsistent with the former, at least in the way you use
it. Yes, the matter content of the manifold is inextricably related to
the geometry of the manifold, but the relationship is FAR more subtle
than you seem to think.

Can you write an equation showing that the two are inconsistent?

John Schutkeker wrote:

I would like to develop a new model which predicts that observational
astronomers will never find an image made by light that has crossed the
entire universe and passed it's original starting point.
[snip]

One sentence and already Dead on Arrival.

Thus the "edge" of the universe retreats at the speed of light,
[snip]

Hey stooopid,

1) No edge. All 4(pi)steradians exactly point to the Big Bang.
2) The Big Bang is an explosion OF space not IN space. Your spew
has no meaning.

Starting with the central equation of general relativity and the
assumption that light carries space along with it,
[snip rest]

1) GR is ten equations. Which of them is the "central" equation?
2) "Light carries space along with it". So sad.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf

Uncle Al wrote in news:4203B032.DBE42F87
@hate.spam.net:

Hey stooopid,
GR is ten equations. Which of them is the "central" equation?

G_uv=8*pi*T_uv. Ever seen that one femto-head?

The last time I was assaulted by an on-line bully was in a.h.m. Have you
consulted a psychiatrist about this little problem of yours? Let me guess,
your daddy belittled your intelligence mercilessly when you were small, so
now that's what you do to others. How sad, indeed.

Actually, John, an experience like that is not enough on its own to
produce the aberrant personality displayed by him. It has to be
something more horrendous than that, such as daddy-rape, to create a
personality who cannot have an original thought and can only attack
anonymously. Yes, it's sad.
TomGee

Maybe he's an inmate in a state prison, somewhere.

Some people experience original thinking as a threat to the stability of
their worldview. Damaged people usually mirror the behavior that damaged
them. So I suppose that his father must have likewise brutally crushed all
original thought out of him.

Do you suppose he's reading this, and knows we're talking about him? How
do you think he might be reacting?

"TomGee" wrote in news:1107577051.219454.304140
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:

Actually, John, an experience like that is not enough on its own to
produce the aberrant personality displayed by him. It has to be
something more horrendous than that, such as daddy-rape, to create a
personality who cannot have an original thought and can only attack
anonymously. Yes, it's sad.

John,
He would love to see or to make us suffer dearly for an extended time,
I'm sure. But then, he would love to be able to unload his misery on
anyone and everyone, and he does, to a large extent, on these ngs.
That is probably better than for him to have no outlet at all. Yes, he
reads these ngs and he knows we're talking about the impact he makes on
us with his childish remarks. Some think it's cute for him to do what
he does, and surely that's a sign of their own feelings of inadequacy,
but I believe that what he does ruins good chances of these ngs
attracting better and more ideas on different issues.
TomGee

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:19:44 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:

Uncle Al wrote in news:4203B032.DBE42F87
:

Hey stooopid,
GR is ten equations. Which of them is the "central" equation?

G_uv=8*pi*T_uv. Ever seen that one femto-head?

What a comeback.

The last time I was assaulted by an on-line bully was in a.h.m. Have you
consulted a psychiatrist about this little problem of yours? Let me guess,
your daddy belittled your intelligence mercilessly when you were small, so
now that's what you do to others. How sad, indeed.

You posted to sci.physics unprepared for Uncle Al? That's sad, indeed.

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(Lost Year 1972) wrote in :

Hey stooopid,
GR is ten equations. Which of them is the "central" equation?

G_uv=8*pi*T_uv. Ever seen that one femto-head?

What a comeback.

I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic.

The last time I was assaulted by an on-line bully was in a.h.m. Have
you consulted a psychiatrist about this little problem of yours? Let
me guess, your daddy belittled your intelligence mercilessly when you
were small, so now that's what you do to others. How sad, indeed.

You posted to sci.physics unprepared for Uncle Al? That's sad,
indeed.

I like to think I learn quickly, as evinced by the rapid growth of my
killfile ( amongst other things ;-) ).

"John Schutkeker" wrote in message
. 30.48...
(Lost Year 1972) wrote in :

Hey stooopid,
GR is ten equations. Which of them is the "central" equation?

G_uv=8*pi*T_uv. Ever seen that one femto-head?

What a comeback.

I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic.

The last time I was assaulted by an on-line bully was in a.h.m. Have
you consulted a psychiatrist about this little problem of yours? Let
me guess, your daddy belittled your intelligence mercilessly when you
were small, so now that's what you do to others. How sad, indeed.

You posted to sci.physics unprepared for Uncle Al? That's sad,
indeed.

I like to think I learn quickly, as evinced by the rapid growth of my
killfile ( amongst other things ;-) ).


Schwartz ("Uncle" Alice) gets his rocks off by following his
own standard procedu

1) Snip and say "[snip crap]". (Schwartz doesn't actually read the
post.)
2) Insult to poster by saying "psychotic imbecile".

This, Schwartz finds thrilling.

Nobody else gives a damn, but Schwartz is happy.

The best way to deal with Schwartz is simply ignore the idiot,
but failing that, follow his own procedure, its all he'll ever
understand anyway.

Then you'll have a long thread of

[snip crap]
You are a psychotic imbecile.
[snip crap]
You are a psychotic imbecile.
[snip crap]
You are a psychotic imbecile.
[snip crap]
....
ad infinitum ad nausem

This demonstrates that one of the two parties involved really IS
psychotic, and believe me, I've tested the theory, Schwartz WILL have
the last word.

Androcles.