How Tom Delay Helped to Summon the Future

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:44:32 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
: monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: : We know about LBJ, the jury is still out on DeLay.
:
: : The jury hasn't even been called in on DeLay. He hasn't even been
: : indicted (and probably won't be). And what he's accused of isn't as
: : bad was what LBJ is known to have done.
:
: Rand, your logic as usual is screwed up.
:
: Was LBJ ever indicted? No.
: But, you KNOW he was corrupt. How?

: It's well documented, and recognized by most historians.

Which ones? They can't agree.

: DeLay has never been indicted. Yes.
: But you KNOW he isn't corrupt. How?

: I don't KNOW he isn't corrupt, but there is little evidence to
: indicate that he is, relative to LBJ. He hasn't stolen any elections
: that I know of.

No, he just redistricts the state in his favor.

Eric

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:56:39 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
(Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: DeLay has never been indicted. Yes.
: But you KNOW he isn't corrupt. How?

: I don't KNOW he isn't corrupt, but there is little evidence to
: indicate that he is, relative to LBJ. He hasn't stolen any elections
: that I know of.

No, he just redistricts the state in his favor.

There's nothing corrupt about that. Or if there is, almost all
politicians are corrupt, so your charge is meaningless.

Ed Ruf ) wrote:
: On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:56:39 +0000 (UTC), in sci.space.policy
: (Eric Chomko) wrote:


: No, he just redistricts the state in his favor.

: I'll offer up Bobby Scott of Va as a better example of this.

Did all the Dems in VA leave to a neighoring state rather than vote? That
is what DeLay's redistricting did during one congressional state vote in
Texas.

Eric

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Rand Simberg wrote:
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:56:39 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
(Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
No, he just redistricts the state in his favor.

There's nothing corrupt about that. Or if there is, almost all
politicians are corrupt, so your charge is meaningless.

Yes, it is corrupt, and yes most politicians who
participate in gerrymandering redistricting are corrupt.
The fact that it is pervasive is not at all an indication
that it is not bad.

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:19:53 -0600, in a place far, far away,
"Christopher M. Jones" made the
phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

There's nothing corrupt about that. Or if there is, almost all
politicians are corrupt, so your charge is meaningless.

Yes, it is corrupt, and yes most politicians who
participate in gerrymandering redistricting are corrupt.
The fact that it is pervasive is not at all an indication
that it is not bad.

I didn't say it wasn't bad. In fact, I think that it's one of the
biggest problems of our politics right now, because it entrenches
incumbents and makes them unaccountable to the voters. As someone
once said, voters should pick their representatives, instead of the
latter picking the former.

But it's a different class of "bad" than outright vote fraud and
bribery.

Christopher M. Jones ) wrote:
: Rand Simberg wrote:
: On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:56:39 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
: monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
: No, he just redistricts the state in his favor.
:
: There's nothing corrupt about that. Or if there is, almost all
: politicians are corrupt, so your charge is meaningless.

: Yes, it is corrupt, and yes most politicians who
: participate in gerrymandering redistricting are corrupt.
: The fact that it is pervasive is not at all an indication
: that it is not bad.

I'm not happy about gerrymandering that the Democrats do in Maryland
anymore than I am about the Republicans in Texas.

Eric