Rutan: NASA Needs New Von Braun

"Joshua Barney" wrote in message news:xIifd.315421

Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:

No, not only are we not a space faring nation, we are not a space faring
world, and we are not a solar powered nation, neither are we a solar
powered world. As not, the entire basis of human civilization is
fraudulent and corrupt.

Funny, I thought that basically all of the energy we use to survive does
initially come from solar power, e.g. plants...

~ Joshua

Solar power does provide the energy for potted plants. Conversely, the power
for Mr. Elifritz' comment above is, I suspect, from planted pot.

;-)

Jon

wrote:
But where could NASA find such expertise?

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...u tput=gplain


-george william herbert

October 26, 2004

Joshua Barney wrote:

Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:

No, not only are we not a space faring nation, we are not a space faring
world, and we are not a solar powered nation, neither are we a solar
powered world. As not, the entire basis of human civilization is
fraudulent and corrupt.

Funny, I thought that basically all of the energy we use to survive does
initially come from solar power, e.g. plants.

Well that makes global extinction, global deforestation, global pollution, and
global warming induced climate change perfectly ok then, after all, we are
just burning and eroding away plant and animal remains. And it is perfectly ok
to burn up in 100 years what took 100 million years for nature to create.

http://www.geocities.com/sapphire2021/forest.html

http://www.well.com/user/davidu/extinction.html

You must be blind as well as daft then.

Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net

Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:

You must be blind as well as daft then.

Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net

Wow, you really don't have a sense of humor, do you? =P

~ Joshua

October 26, 2004

Joshua Barney wrote:

You must be blind as well as daft then.


Wow, you really don't have a sense of humor, do you?


You haven't said anything funny yet. We are using oil to make
fertilizers to feed the plants, and we are killing the soil bacteria
with the fertilizers, washing away the soil with the resultant
agricultural practices, and we have overpopulated the world with the
resulting food, and are now totally dependent on that oil to distribute
that food. It's a global oil for food program that has been occuring for
the last 50 years now. Do you understand how fragile and unstable our
civilization really is because of that? We are one step away from
sharpening stainless steel spoons into arrowheads. You may think it's
funny, but I don't.

Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net

Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:

You haven't said anything funny yet. We are using oil to make
fertilizers to feed the plants,

Nitrogen fertilizer is made with hydrogen, actually(*). The hydrogen is
currently mostly obtained from natural gas, but there's nothing
essential about that.

Paul

(*) And nitrogen and oxygen from air, and in some cases CO2 (also from
natural gas.)

October 26, 2004

"Paul F. Dietz" wrote:

You haven't said anything funny yet. We are using oil to make
fertilizers to feed the plants,

Nitrogen fertilizer is made with hydrogen, actually(*). The hydrogen is
currently mostly obtained from natural gas, but there's nothing
essential about that.


(*) And nitrogen and oxygen from air, and in some cases CO2 (also from
natural gas.)

Almost a touche' but not quite. I said we are use oil *to* make fertilizer,
but more generally, hydrocarbons, by burning them, for energy, to make
fertilizers, deliver them, apply them, work the soil, harvest the crops, and
deliver them to markets. We are still way over the top in terms of
agricultural sustainability.

http://www.chemguide.co.uk/physical/...ria/haber.html

http://home.alltel.net/bsundquist1/

Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net

In article ,
(Martha H Adams) wrote:

OK, there's a picture. So *why*? ??

Is America a space-faring culture and country? If it's not, then how
would you make it one?

Note from recent TV: America is the most Christian of all the
industrialized countries. ...Could that tell you something?

Yes, it says that in the US fear, superstition and tribalism have more
importance relative to science and humane progressivism than they do in
any other industrialized country. Because of this the US' position in
the history of the Solar System may come to resemble those of Portugal
or Spain in the New World.

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:56:38 -0500, in a place far, far away, richard
schumacher made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

In article ,
(Martha H Adams) wrote:

OK, there's a picture. So *why*? ??

Is America a space-faring culture and country? If it's not, then how
would you make it one?

Note from recent TV: America is the most Christian of all the
industrialized countries. ...Could that tell you something?

Yes, it says that in the US fear, superstition and tribalism have more
importance relative to science and humane progressivism than they do in
any other industrialized country.

"Humane progressivism"?

I just love these amusing caricatures of the US by people who are
utterly clueless of it.

I can't disagree with that. Dr. Dryden, who received his PhD when he
was 20 (!), was to aeronautics what von Braun became to rocketry. He
may have been the smartest person ever to cash a NASA paycheck.
- Ed Kyle