History's Worst Presidential Candidate

Terrell Miller ) wrote:
: "Joe Strout" wrote in message
: ...

: with a leader who can't correctly pronounce "nuclear."

: erm, Jimmy Carter has a degree in nuclear engineering, and was the "nuke"
: officer on a submarine. He pronounces it exactly the same way that Bush
: does.

Yeah, and four more years of Bush could actually make him a worse
president that was Carter. Bush isn't there yet but with 4 years to work
it, it could happen.

: Once again you totXally miss the boat, sport

: --
: Terrell Miller
:

: " A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
: bad measures."
: -- Daniel Webster

I don't know what to say about those who wildly blame the U.S.
for all of the worlds problems, both real and perceived. I'll only
note that Mr. Feher's claim that "The USA confiscates other
countries natural resources" is absurd. The U.S., like all other
nations, purchases resources in a competitive marketplace.
Recently, the price of most resources has been set by China,
not by the U.S.. Mr. Feher should take comfort, I suppose, in the
knowledge that the U.S. is actually growing weaker economically,
relative to the rest of the world, every day.

- Ed Kyle

How many oil wells are there in Japan or France or Germany?

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I don't know what to say about those who wildly blame the U.S.
for all of the worlds problems, both real and perceived. I'll only
note that Mr. Feher's claim that "The USA confiscates other
countries natural resources" is absurd. The U.S., like all other
nations, purchases resources in a competitive marketplace.
Recently, the price of most resources has been set by China,
not by the U.S.. Mr. Feher should take comfort, I suppose, in the
knowledge that the U.S. is actually growing weaker economically,
relative to the rest of the world, every day.

- Ed Kyle

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:18:51 GMT, the following appeared in
sci.skeptic, posted by "sfb" :

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oups.com...
I don't know what to say about those who wildly blame the U.S.
for all of the worlds problems, both real and perceived. I'll only
note that Mr. Feher's claim that "The USA confiscates other
countries natural resources" is absurd. The U.S., like all other
nations, purchases resources in a competitive marketplace.
Recently, the price of most resources has been set by China,
not by the U.S.. Mr. Feher should take comfort, I suppose, in the
knowledge that the U.S. is actually growing weaker economically,
relative to the rest of the world, every day.

How many oil wells are there in Japan or France or Germany?

None. What's your point?

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Bob C.

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"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov

Bob Casanova wrote:

:On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:18:51 GMT, the following appeared in
:sci.skeptic, posted by "sfb" :
:
wrote in message
roups.com...
:I don't know what to say about those who wildly blame the U.S.
: for all of the worlds problems, both real and perceived. I'll only
: note that Mr. Feher's claim that "The USA confiscates other
: countries natural resources" is absurd. The U.S., like all other
: nations, purchases resources in a competitive marketplace.
: Recently, the price of most resources has been set by China,
: not by the U.S.. Mr. Feher should take comfort, I suppose, in the
: knowledge that the U.S. is actually growing weaker economically,
: relative to the rest of the world, every day.
:
:How many oil wells are there in Japan or France or Germany?
:
:None. What's your point?

Wrong.

France - pumped 27,000 barrels of crude per day in 2002.

Germany - pumped 69,000 barrels of crude per day in 2002.

Japan - pumped 6,000 barrels of crude per day in 2002.

I'm not sure what they pumped all that crude oil out of if there are
zero oil wells amongst them, as you have stated.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 04:34:43 GMT, the following appeared in
sci.skeptic, posted by Fred J. McCall
:

Bob Casanova wrote:

:On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:18:51 GMT, the following appeared in
:sci.skeptic, posted by "sfb" :
:
wrote in message
groups.com...
:I don't know what to say about those who wildly blame the U.S.
: for all of the worlds problems, both real and perceived. I'll only
: note that Mr. Feher's claim that "The USA confiscates other
: countries natural resources" is absurd. The U.S., like all other
: nations, purchases resources in a competitive marketplace.
: Recently, the price of most resources has been set by China,
: not by the U.S.. Mr. Feher should take comfort, I suppose, in the
: knowledge that the U.S. is actually growing weaker economically,
: relative to the rest of the world, every day.
:
:How many oil wells are there in Japan or France or Germany?
:
:None. What's your point?

Wrong.

France - pumped 27,000 barrels of crude per day in 2002.

Germany - pumped 69,000 barrels of crude per day in 2002.

Japan - pumped 6,000 barrels of crude per day in 2002.

I'm not sure what they pumped all that crude oil out of if there are
zero oil wells amongst them, as you have stated.

My error; thanks for correcting. So to get back to the
question to sfb...

Enough to yield 6,000, 27,000 and 69,000 barrels per day
respectively. What's your point?

--

Bob C.

Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov

In article LyVcd.2525$7d7.636@trnddc04, "sfb" wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
I don't know what to say about those who wildly blame the U.S.
for all of the worlds problems, both real and perceived. I'll only
note that Mr. Feher's claim that "The USA confiscates other
countries natural resources" is absurd. The U.S., like all other
nations, purchases resources in a competitive marketplace.
Recently, the price of most resources has been set by China,
not by the U.S.. Mr. Feher should take comfort, I suppose, in the
knowledge that the U.S. is actually growing weaker economically,
relative to the rest of the world, every day.

How many oil wells are there in Japan or France or Germany?

They don't need them, as long as they have to goods or services to trade
for the oil they need.

Using other means for getting oil, as we saw in Asia during the 1930s,
resulted in somewhat less desirable outcomes to normal trade.

Oil is a relatively small factor. Japan and Europe have trade
surpluses with the U.S.. At present, something like $1.4 billion flows
out the U.S. per *day* all told - mostly to the Far East. The U.S.
grows weaker (more dependant on foreign capital) with every outflow
dollar. The present situation simply cannot continue much longer - a
point on which most economists agree.

The situation is already weakening U.S. defense. Consider Boeing,
which is unable now to compete with Airbus and is thus a weaker defense
contractor than it once was. Consider the White House forced to buy
European helicopters, etc.

- Ed Kyle

"...The rootless USA people, few of whom know who their great grandparents
were...."

Our family traces our ancestors back to the 1600s!

Maybe it's not us who are the truly "rootless" ones. Stop believing all
those lies about the USA that your former Communist leaders duped you with!

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"Tamas Feher" wrote in message
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History's Worst Presidential Candidate

I'd say the current President GWB would be high on the list

We don't try to run your country. Stop trying to run ours.

The problem with your sentence is: it's false. The USA thinks she is the
world police and tries to tell the 6 billion non-US people on Earth how
they should live politically, economically and lifestyle-wise.

The rootless USA people, few of whom know who their great grandparents
were are demolishing traditional cultures worlwide by spreading and
advocating Hollywood junk and the culture of worshiping violance. USA
values individualism over true diversity and its media turns people into
mindless consumer automatons who only make tycoons richers day by day. The
USA confiscates other countries natural resources (especially OIL) and
pollutes international and foreign territories. The US SUV ignorance eats
up all the resources worldwide, spews poisons and makes the globe
unsuitable for future generations. Americans live so carelessly as if the
human paragraph in the history book of Earth is going to end tomorrow.
Stop daydreaming, there is no way all the 290 million of you can move to
Mars. You either make it with us into the future or all of the Earth will
be a dead planet in 70 years.

I'm afraid nothing can stop the yankee's individualistic desire to own
literally everything and indulge in their illusions of self-godness via
greed under the ideology of protestant christianity. When the depository
of objects to own is depleted, they go abroad and loot. The US people lack
brotherly love, their country is the only one which could afford general
medical care but doesn't offer one, not even for children. The coldness of
US people frightens the world and the USA tries to impose its awkward
paragraph-based, de-personalized attorney-executive "culture" on all other
countries. The world understands economy has been created for the benefit
of the people, while the USA thinks all people exist just for boosting the
economy. The world wants a more liveable planet, but the tremendous US
pressure makes this impossible.

Dear yankees, stop spinning at such high RPM. You make so much noise you
suppress the entire planet's voice and in turn you can't hear the advices
the outside world sends to you.

USA = E pluribus unum
(you will be melted if you join or forced to join)

EU = E uno plures
(join us to preserve your diversity via mutual support of countries)

Such basic differences may apparently never change, but the identity of
the new US president could determine whether the situation reaches a
breaking point or remains manageable. Bush's antagonistic approach of "you
are either with us or you are against us" has been coined and tried by
communist leaders in Iron Curtain Eastern Europe between 1945-1956 and all
it yielded were revolutions. It was then replaced with the policy of "if
you are not against us, you are with us" and the world managed to avoid a
nuclear WW3. Finally the soviet bloc dismantled itself.

A slightly more patient U.S. president with just a little respect for the
"rest of the world" would make a tremendous difference. After all,
diplomacy is the art of managing international relations by means of
politeness.

People are not genetically terrorists. They become terrorists (guerillas)
when someone takes away their means of living, deprives them of their
motherland, a foreign power attempts at forcible change of ethnical
standing or shows total disregards for their religious and cultural
values. If you support honestly revising these issues and balance fist
with palm, terrorism will quiet down and becomes minuscule in 15-20 years.
This is what Kerry proposes and it is the only practical way.

Bush's way is nothing but a repeat of the Gotterdammerung. Learn from
history before history teaches you the lesson.

Regards: Tamas Feher from Hungary.

"W. D. Allen Sr." wrote in message
...
"...The rootless USA people, few of whom know who their great grandparents
were...."

Our family traces our ancestors back to the 1600s!

Maybe it's not us who are the truly "rootless" ones. Stop believing all
those lies about the USA that your former Communist leaders duped you
with!

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The real question is what significance does Tamas attribute to these roots?
Many families outside the United States can trace their roots to mass
murders, war criminals, participants in failed political systems, etc! Many
older cultures are borderline disfunctional.

Jarg