START WORK INTENSIVELY ON COLD FUSION NOW!!!

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Cactus88 wrote:

I think the UN should do something useful for once and make
an all out effort to advance the (some say unachievable) goal
of a practical Cold Fusion free energy generator.
snip

Probably there is no possible way the UN can do anything useful due to the
organization being a debating society with delusions of godhood. "No
power
there!"

wait a minute! there might be something to this... how about collecting the
generated hot air from the UN and using that to generate power. with all
the debating going on there should be enough to power a small country or
two, or maybe a block of NYC.

Umm, could we use it to make ice cream? It is cold, isn't it? =8-)

Saul Levy


On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:24:13 GMT, Paul Lawler
wrote:

"Clarence" wrote in
Cactus88 wrote:

I think the UN should do something useful for once and make
an all out effort to advance the (some say unachievable) goal
of a practical Cold Fusion free energy generator.
snip

Probably there is no possible way the UN can do anything useful due to
the organization being a debating society with delusions of godhood.
"No power there!"

No power in a "cold fusion free energy generator" either. g

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"Richard S. Westmoreland" wrote:

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nightbat wrote

Cactus88 wrote:

I think the UN should do something useful for once and make
an all out effort to advance the (some say unachievable) goal
of a practical Cold Fusion free energy generator.
snip

Probably there is no possible way the UN can do anything useful due to the
organization being a debating society with delusions of godhood. "No
power
there!"

The UN is reactive, not proactive. That is why the Balkans ended up like
they did. The Middle East may have but the US, UK, Aus and Poland intervened
(proactive) to the scorn of the rest of the reactive world. Can't win either
way.

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nightbat wrote

Cactus88 wrote:

I think the UN should do something useful for once and make
an all out effort to advance the (some say unachievable)
goal of a practical Cold Fusion free energy generator.
snip

Probably there is no possible way the UN can do anything useful due
to the organization being a debating society with delusions of
godhood. "No
power
there!"

wait a minute! there might be something to this... how about
collecting the generated hot air from the UN and using that to
generate power. with all the debating going on there should be enough
to power a small country or two, or maybe a block of NYC.

Trouble is most of the talking goes on outside of the building now as
it's bugged by the Brits ;-)

Not worth bugging as everyone know how it will react.

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:04:40 -0400, "Richard S. Westmoreland"
wrote:

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nightbat wrote
I think the UN should do something useful for once and make
an all out effort to advance the (some say unachievable) goal
of a practical Cold Fusion free energy generator.

Why cold fusion? I don't think we should be trying to use our limited
supply of water as fuel. We should focus more on solar-based energy
sources
that can be converted into alcohol based fuels.

Well Rick, agriculture is very heavy fresh water dependent as a
general rule. And Uncle Al previously posted that the researched and
tried present necessary high fuel processing costs payback for corn or
other fuel crop bushel yields to alcohol conversion ratios were not cost
effective. There is a guy over in newsgroup alt.energy.homepower by the
name of Steve Spence that says the use of spent cooking oil in adapted
diesel engines is economical and feasible if apparently only a few know
about it versus sudden mass demand. Wasn't one of the original German
rear engine diesel Volkswagen, Mercedes cars, or didn't the guy who
invented the diesel engine originally design it to run on peanut oil?

The water used in agriculture, will always remain to be water, continuously
resupplying in a cycle. You can't have a net gain of energy from colf
fusion unless some of that water is no longer water, unless I'm missing a
point of how that works.

That is the same argument I hear about alcohol. Corn does not make an
effective base for alcohol production. So what? Is that the only way we
can mass produce alcohol?

ethanol? pretty much the only economical way. economic alcohol from
cellulose would be a major breakthrough.
the brazilians use bagasse (cane sugar waste) to make alcohol, but you
run into the same economics.

methanol from coal is doable, but its also an energy intensive
process.


Save the corn for the cows.

http://biotech.about.com/library/wee...romgarbage.htm

yeah, but you need garbage in the first place. you will always get
out less energy than the energy put in to make the product in the
first place.

http://www.iogen.ca/3000.html

http://www.oceanethanol.com/

Rick

"beavith" wrote in message
news
ethanol? pretty much the only economical way. economic alcohol from
cellulose would be a major breakthrough.
the brazilians use bagasse (cane sugar waste) to make alcohol, but you
run into the same economics.

methanol from coal is doable, but its also an energy intensive
process.


Save the corn for the cows.

http://biotech.about.com/library/wee...romgarbage.htm

yeah, but you need garbage in the first place. you will always get
out less energy than the energy put in to make the product in the
first place.

http://www.iogen.ca/3000.html

http://www.oceanethanol.com/

If you're using enzymes/microbes to break down waste cellulose, that
otherwise would have been burned because of excess, then you're getting a
net gain of usable energy that you otherwise would not have had. And as far
as the OceanEthanol process, you could use wind and solar energy to separate
the hydrogen and oxygen from the water, then use carbon dioxide from exhaust
or the air to create the alcohol. It's easier to store than hydrogen or
electricity. The byproduct is oxygen. Can't beat that!

Rick

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nightbat wrote

Cactus88 wrote:

I think the UN should do something useful for once and make
an all out effort to advance the (some say unachievable) goal
of a practical Cold Fusion free energy generator.
snip

Probably there is no possible way the UN can do anything useful due to the
organization being a debating society with delusions of godhood. "No
power
there!"

The UN is reactive, not proactive. That is why the Balkans ended up like
they did. The Middle East may have but the US, UK, Aus and Poland intervened
(proactive) to the scorn of the rest of the reactive world. Can't win either
way.

"Scorn" is like penis envy. They only wish they had the brass to do it
themselves. But the UN has no power! It can only coerce action from others if
you allow it to act like a spoiled child. Just say no! OR simply ignore them
is the best way to handle them!

nightbat wrote

"Richard S. Westmoreland" wrote:

"beavith" wrote in message
news
ethanol? pretty much the only economical way. economic alcohol from
cellulose would be a major breakthrough.
the brazilians use bagasse (cane sugar waste) to make alcohol, but you
run into the same economics.

methanol from coal is doable, but its also an energy intensive
process.


Save the corn for the cows.

http://biotech.about.com/library/wee...romgarbage.htm

yeah, but you need garbage in the first place. you will always get
out less energy than the energy put in to make the product in the
first place.

http://www.iogen.ca/3000.html

http://www.oceanethanol.com/


Rick
If you're using enzymes/microbes to break down waste cellulose, that
otherwise would have been burned because of excess, then you're getting a
net gain of usable energy that you otherwise would not have had. And as far
as the OceanEthanol process, you could use wind and solar energy to separate
the hydrogen and oxygen from the water, then use carbon dioxide from exhaust
or the air to create the alcohol. It's easier to store than hydrogen or
electricity. The byproduct is oxygen. Can't beat that!

Rick

nightbat

Way to go Rick, enter the nightbat pointing remarkable Halo
bacterium, the little Nature's engineer's that can break down and eat
conservatively anything even iron and make it into stored fuel. Absence
of air, oxygen, or water, including extreme temp's don't phase them, for
they actually produce their own further more complex life supporting
gases. They are salt content self regulating, if the salt content drops
they stop replicating and become long term dormant until salt levels are
again adequately remaintained, rise, or are environment ascertained and
tapped. Heaven knows we have enough Earth based salt but it's cheap or
economic energy conversion and more stored fuel and production we need,
and these little micro busy bodies work for salt.


the nightbat

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nightbat wrote

"Richard S. Westmoreland" wrote:

"beavith" wrote in message
news
ethanol? pretty much the only economical way. economic alcohol from
cellulose would be a major breakthrough.
the brazilians use bagasse (cane sugar waste) to make alcohol, but you
run into the same economics.

methanol from coal is doable, but its also an energy intensive
process.


Save the corn for the cows.

http://biotech.about.com/library/wee...romgarbage.htm

yeah, but you need garbage in the first place. you will always get
out less energy than the energy put in to make the product in the
first place.

http://www.iogen.ca/3000.html

http://www.oceanethanol.com/


Rick
If you're using enzymes/microbes to break down waste cellulose, that
otherwise would have been burned because of excess, then you're getting a
net gain of usable energy that you otherwise would not have had. And as far
as the OceanEthanol process, you could use wind and solar energy to separate
the hydrogen and oxygen from the water, then use carbon dioxide from exhaust
or the air to create the alcohol. It's easier to store than hydrogen or
electricity. The byproduct is oxygen. Can't beat that!

Rick

nightbat

Way to go Rick, enter the nightbat pointing remarkable Halo
bacterium, the little Nature's engineer's that can break down and eat
conservatively anything even iron and make it into stored fuel. Absence
of air, oxygen, or water, including extreme temp's don't phase them, for
they actually produce their own further more complex life supporting
gases. They are salt content self regulating, if the salt content drops
they stop replicating and become long term dormant until salt levels are
again adequately remaintained, rise, or are environment ascertained and
tapped. Heaven knows we have enough Earth based salt but it's cheap or
economic energy conversion and more stored fuel and production we need,
and these little micro busy bodies work for salt.


the nightbat


Hi nightbat (or should I say daybat, noting the time of your post),

Aren't you afraid the light of day filtering through could turn you
into a pile of dust? Ha ha!

And salt, isn't that a hazard for you as well?

So you think the Halo bacterium can be put to work for us consuming
salt and other basic mineral substances and producing fuel for our
21st century consumption. They don't mind working in sweatshop
conditions either.

Has anyone ever used them up till now to produce fuel in any useful
quantities? Would it be economically feasible? What would be the
byproducts of such a process?

If it all pencils out, why doesn't somebody start doing it?

Double-A

nightbat wrote

Double-A wrote:

nightbat wrote in message ...
nightbat wrote

"Richard S. Westmoreland" wrote:

"beavith" wrote in message
news ethanol? pretty much the only economical way. economic alcohol from
cellulose would be a major breakthrough.
the brazilians use bagasse (cane sugar waste) to make alcohol, but you
run into the same economics.

methanol from coal is doable, but its also an energy intensive
process.


Save the corn for the cows.

http://biotech.about.com/library/wee...romgarbage.htm

yeah, but you need garbage in the first place. you will always get
out less energy than the energy put in to make the product in the
first place.

http://www.iogen.ca/3000.html

http://www.oceanethanol.com/


Rick
If you're using enzymes/microbes to break down waste cellulose, that
otherwise would have been burned because of excess, then you're getting a
net gain of usable energy that you otherwise would not have had. And as far
as the OceanEthanol process, you could use wind and solar energy to separate
the hydrogen and oxygen from the water, then use carbon dioxide from exhaust
or the air to create the alcohol. It's easier to store than hydrogen or
electricity. The byproduct is oxygen. Can't beat that!

Rick

nightbat

Way to go Rick, enter the nightbat pointing remarkable Halo
bacterium, the little Nature's engineer's that can break down and eat
conservatively anything even iron and make it into stored fuel. Absence
of air, oxygen, or water, including extreme temp's don't phase them, for
they actually produce their own further more complex life supporting
gases. They are salt content self regulating, if the salt content drops
they stop replicating and become long term dormant until salt levels are
again adequately remaintained, rise, or are environment ascertained and
tapped. Heaven knows we have enough Earth based salt but it's cheap or
economic energy conversion and more stored fuel and production we need,
and these little micro busy bodies work for salt.


the nightbat

Hi nightbat (or should I say daybat, noting the time of your post),

Aren't you afraid the light of day filtering through could turn you
into a pile of dust? Ha ha!

And salt, isn't that a hazard for you as well?

So you think the Halo bacterium can be put to work for us consuming
salt and other basic mineral substances and producing fuel for our
21st century consumption. They don't mind working in sweatshop
conditions either.

Has anyone ever used them up till now to produce fuel in any useful
quantities? Would it be economically feasible? What would be the
byproducts of such a process?

If it all pencils out, why doesn't somebody start doing it?

Double-A

nightbat

For more background info on the amazing Archaean Halo
bacteria(ium) and three new domain classes.

See:
http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomfr...s%2Fdse.ht ml

Also see:
http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomfr...plsept98. htm

Petroleum based plastic eating bacteria see:
http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomfr...4174.Gb.r.html

Uranium eating bacteria see:
http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomfr...Finhalt_2.html

Petroleum pockets and methane from Halo bacterium producing classified
now as dominant Archaeans see:
http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomfr...2Farchaea.html

Also see underlined new three domains highlighted within above link


the nightbat