What discourages Amateur Astronomers more than this?

On 21 Dec 2003 11:17:10 -0800, in uk.sci.astronomy ,
(Greg Dortmond) wrote:

Thank you for those who replied to my posts where I made some general
observations, which one person has rightly described as provocative.

Welcome to my killfile.

What is wrong with deliberately trying to start some healthy debate on
a subject?

Well, you could try starting a debate, rather than being abusive and
childish.

So long.,

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"Jim" wrote in message
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gp.skinner wrote:


Not to mention the gentleman (whose name I have shamefully forgotten)
who was able to use CCD equipment to capture the strobing of the M1
pulsar. That was pretty damn impressive in my book.

Jim

Thanks Jim

Robin
(male, but possibly no gentleman!)
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Robin Leadbeater wrote:

Thanks Jim

Oh hey, no worries mate.

Robin
(male, but possibly no gentleman!)

(raises a glass)

Jim
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In article ,
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"Greg Dortmond" wrote in message
om...
However it is the way in which I was deliberately and abusively
attacked for holding my views which would put off new comers. I
remember many hot debates at numerous astronomical meetings, however,
I never was verbally "glassed in the face" as seems to be the case on
this newsgroup.

It seems that the art of debate is also dying, to be replaced by
abusive name calling and virtual violence.


Sorry Greg, you've lost me here. I've read the replies to your first two
posts, and didn't see anything which was abusive, or would constitute
"vitual violence" or "glassed in the face". If you received abusive replies
directly via email, then you should report them to the relevant ISP.

I think that he classes any post that disagrees with his view as
abusive, and this from someone who goes on about debating being dead.

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Regards

Nick

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I suspect that really discourages people would be thought that they
might come into contact with someone like you!

Let me give you something else to think about.

I'm sitting in my study in front of my main PC posting to this group, my
scope is outside being controlled by my laptop, which is next to me on
the desk.

I'm nice and warm and can look at whatever is within my scopes field of
view without going out into the cold.

I can record what my scope sees even while I'm watching television or in
bed for later perusal.

No back ache and frozen fingers for me!

My thanks to Lillian Hobs and her article that was published a couple of
years ago in Astronomy Now about remote viewing for the inspiration.

For what it's worth I do more observing now than I would if I had to do
it the 'old fashioned' way.

Welcome to the 21st century.
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Regards

Nick

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Jonathan Silverlight
wrote:

Not to mention the gentleman (whose name I have shamefully forgotten)
who was able to use CCD equipment to capture the strobing of the M1
pulsar.

That's a decidedly elitist and sexist comment :-) Not all amateurs are
gentlemen, in any sense!

Well, quite. I'm an amateur and a scoundrel of the first order :-)

My wife would like to point out that she's no gentleman either.

Jim

My wife would like to point out that I'm no gentleman.
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Regards

Nick

In article , says...
Two recent events spring to mind that proves your point wrong, the
lunar
paralax project (Pete Lawrence); and the numerous warnings and reports
of
solar activity and aurora alerts has proven the worth of this
newsgroup, and
has shown British Amateur Astronomy is alive and kicking.

Not to mention the gentleman (whose name I have shamefully forgotten)
who was able to use CCD equipment to capture the strobing of the M1
pulsar.

That's a decidedly elitist and sexist comment :-) Not all amateurs are
gentlemen, in any sense!
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Indeed, when I grow up I want to be a gentleman, seriously though it is a
hobby that you immediately think of as being male orientated for some
reason. Perhaps its a throw back to the days when the majority of scientists
were male.

Graeme




My 14 year old daughter would like me to point out that when she leave
Uni there will be one more femail scientist and amateur astronomer.

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Regards

Nick

My 14 year old daughter would like me to point out that when she leave
Uni there will be one more femail scientist and amateur astronomer.

Excellent! I wish more (people in general) would consider furthering their
education in the sciences. My last Open University science summer school
probably had a 50/50 ratio of male to female attending.

Graeme

Ultimatly astronomy is about the individual,

Whatever you want from it you can take, it really does not matter
about the various debates such as whether GOTO scopes are good or bad,
Whether computer infringements are a good thing or a bad thing these
points are completely irrelavent. They are also points that are
normally argued amoungst the more senior amatures rather than the
novice whom will take whatever they wish wheather it be a GOTO scope
or a manual scope.

Surely the main thing is that they are looking and they are learning.
Further they are bringing the price of scopes tumbling down. In fact i
am finding it difficult to find one bad thing about any of the recent
advances in this hobby.

I have a manual scope with no motors or GOTO's i have too confess
though i have had days where the GOTO facility has been calling me
from afar. g

Barry