So far Titan a waste

Irregardless of our present situation ("Waist Deep in the Big Muddy" comes to
mind), Cassini was started and funded years ago. Just look at the travel time
out to Saturn. If you want to stop this type of spending, start working on the
missions planned for 2010. Good luck.

Of course, it seems a bit strange that someone hanging out in this NG would be
against space exploration. But to each his own.

jt

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After this months local Astronomy Club meet I have to agree with the
growing opinion that so far the most recent mission to Saturn is a big
yawn. More pictures of fuzzy yellow balls. Billions of the nations wealth
and what the hell do we have to show? In a time when this country is face
with impotent challenges this is how the elites have chosen to Blow the
big
Bucks.
You know if all this had a practical use well then maybe I would have a
different opinion. But I have to agree with those of you who say that if
all we are going to do is take pictures and snoop around poking into
frozen
prehistoric giant snow balls , hey not on my dime brother.

Someone asked Ben Franklin what was the use of the lightning he had been
researching. Franklin replied, "What is the use of a newborn baby?"

While reading in the bathroom on Sat, 07 Aug 2004 10:22:12 GMT, I saw
that "Bob Schmall" had written:

Someone asked Ben Franklin what was the use of the lightning he had been
researching. Franklin replied, "What is the use of a newborn baby?"

Actually, the conversation concerned an ascent by the Montgolfier
brothers.

However, back to the question at hand, I wonder why the OP apparently
thinks that Saturn is being short-changed, compared to other planetary
probes. Is it his suggestion that we abandon every effort that would
take us beyond earth orbit? Does he really think that any money saved
would be either returned to the taxpayers or otherwise put to more
beneficial use? Does he really think that the amount of money saved
is enough to matter?


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"John Beaderstadt" wrote in message
...
While reading in the bathroom on Sat, 07 Aug 2004 10:22:12 GMT, I saw
that "Bob Schmall" had written:

Someone asked Ben Franklin what was the use of the lightning he had been
researching. Franklin replied, "What is the use of a newborn baby?"

Actually, the conversation concerned an ascent by the Montgolfier
brothers.

I'll go with my college history prof and let it stand as written.

However, back to the question at hand, I wonder why the OP apparently
thinks that Saturn is being short-changed, compared to other planetary
probes. Is it his suggestion that we abandon every effort that would
take us beyond earth orbit? Does he really think that any money saved
would be either returned to the taxpayers or otherwise put to more
beneficial use? Does he really think that the amount of money saved
is enough to matter?

Maybe Halliburton can kick in a few billion.

The OP might also check he
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operation...position.cfme:

Lower right image. It's a computer sim of the probe's orbital path showing
that it is now outboard bound on the first orbit. In a couple of months it
will return to the planet's immediate environs, the snazzy pix will resume
and more real science will be done.

Bob

John Beaderstadt wrote:
Someone asked Ben Franklin what was the use of the lightning he had been
researching. Franklin replied, "What is the use of a newborn baby?"

Actually, the conversation concerned an ascent by the Montgolfier
brothers.

It has been attributed to a number of people. I doubt that we'll ever
know for sure who said it--or, in fact, if anyone famous said it at all.

Brian Tung
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On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:16:59 -0700, starlard
wrote:

After this months local Astronomy Club meet I have to agree with the
growing opinion that so far the most recent mission to Saturn is a big
yawn. More pictures of fuzzy yellow balls. Billions of the nations wealth
and what the hell do we have to show? In a time when this country is face
with impotent challenges this is how the elites have chosen to Blow the big
Bucks.
You know if all this had a practical use well then maybe I would have a
different opinion. But I have to agree with those of you who say that if
all we are going to do is take pictures and snoop around poking into frozen
prehistoric giant snow balls , hey not on my dime brother.

Thanks My thoughts exactly.

Notice how little news there has been about this fools pursuit? I suspect
even the mavins at NASA have gotten the message that the public is buying
this Saturn jazz about as much as they are buying Ashcrofts latest
terrorist rantings.

Gerry Fassler wrote:
On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:16:59 -0700, starlard
wrote:


After this months local Astronomy Club meet I have to agree with the
growing opinion that so far the most recent mission to Saturn is a big
yawn. More pictures of fuzzy yellow balls. Billions of the nations wealth
and what the hell do we have to show? In a time when this country is face
with impotent challenges this is how the elites have chosen to Blow the big
Bucks.
You know if all this had a practical use well then maybe I would have a
different opinion. But I have to agree with those of you who say that if
all we are going to do is take pictures and snoop around poking into frozen
prehistoric giant snow balls , hey not on my dime brother.


Thanks My thoughts exactly.

Notice how little news there has been about this fools pursuit? I suspect
even the mavins at NASA have gotten the message that the public is buying
this Saturn jazz about as much as they are buying Ashcrofts latest
terrorist rantings.

Poor and uninformed assumption. The trajectories now are such that good
info comes in small arcs -- then the vehicle leaves the area of interest
and comes back later. Eventually the initial phase will be complete and
science will happen on an accelerated basis.

The thought that the "mavins of NASA" care about "buying" is at best
amusing and at worst naive: They will report what they find, and with
enthusiasm. And why not?

Besides -- much current info he

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.cfm

The critics of this expenditure seem to place it in the context of
today's priorities and expenditures. But Cassini was launched in 1997
and begun some years earlier, a different environment (and Administration).

Criticisms at this late date are similar to calling on Pioneer 10, which
left the solar system many years ago, to come home. Duh!

What's done is done.

Phil

Well, so far they've found that Titan is the only moon to have lighting
active on it, so that makes it worthwhile. More to come. And your dime has
already been spent and your next dime has already been spent 10 years ago.
Live with it.

Ofcouse there's always those fools who would rather go around and stick
their heads in a hole in the ground and not even dream of anything new.

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On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:16:59 -0700, starlard
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Thanks My thoughts exactly.




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On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 07:59:02 -0700, "starlord"
wrote:

Well, so far they've found that Titan is the only moon to have lighting
active on it, so that makes it worthwhile. More to come. And your dime has
already been spent and your next dime has already been spent 10 years ago.
Live with it.

Ofcouse there's always those fools who would rather go around and stick
their heads in a hole in the ground and not even dream of anything new.

They have electricity? I thing you are talking about the bright loud stuff
that comings along with storms.

Well great, I'll remember not to stand under a tree Next Time I visit
Titan.

Great bit of info, well worth billions.