3 Brane universe

On Friday, August 24, 2018 at 12:35:11 AM UTC-6, Chris.B wrote:

How could it [AI] _possibly_ be any worse than the corrupt swill bucket we have now?

Hitler and Stalin were worse than what we have now, so one hardly has to search
diligently to answer that question. Also, see "I Have No Mouth, and I Must
Scream", a short story by Harlan Ellison, IIRC.

John Savard

"Conquering the galaxy" is a very human viewpoint.
Nobody else is that daft. Nor that sociopathically aggressive.
Nor that badly organized regarding its population control.

A significant percent of living things on this planet will, if given the chance, reproduce to the point where they crowd out other living species. Perhaps the phenomena is unique to life on this planet. There is of yet no evidence to suggest this would not be the case elsewhere however.

On Friday, 24 August 2018 02:35:11 UTC-4, Chris.B wrote:
On Friday, 24 August 2018 04:28:03 UTC+2, RichA wrote:

Anyone can travel between stars won't need a cloaking device against us.

If anyone could travel at the speed of light they would neither want to nor need to.
Why would they bother? To go on an exotic holiday? To conquer a few more planets?
Suppress a few more billions to their [human] way of thinking?

Yawn.

Nothing is _that_ exotic when you've already seen everything there is to see.
A wet planet packed with backward worker ants all pretending to be a higher species?

Yawn.

"Conquering the galaxy" is a very human viewpoint.
Nobody else is that daft. Nor that sociopathically aggressive.

When did you meet, "them" to have determined this?

On Friday, 24 August 2018 03:44:55 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
On Friday, August 24, 2018 at 12:35:11 AM UTC-6, Chris.B wrote:

"Conquering the galaxy" is a very human viewpoint.
Nobody else is that daft. Nor that sociopathically aggressive.
Nor that badly organized regarding its population control.

It certainly is true that some humans, like Arthur C. Clarke, have pretty much
seen that we ourselves will realize that "conquering the galaxy" is daft long
before we're in a position to take a stab at it.

So you're likely to be right, even though you do not have direct observational
knowledge of what the other clever beings in our galaxy are like.

I would be afraid of an alien species that did not have its own John W. Campbell
to arrange for the publication of countless science fiction stories explaining
just how likely it is that an intelligent, even if technically inferior, species
would find ways to defend its freedom against attack. Aliens who had never
experienced anything like the Vietnam War just might think they could get away
with conquering the Earth, should they feel a reason to do so.

And of course the notion of the first alien species to achieve interstellar
flight wiping out every other nascent civilization in the Universe, as a
precautionary measure against them developing technology and being warlike... is
not an utterly implausible solution to the Fermi Paradox. Where are they?
There's only one they, and they haven't got around to exterminating us... just
yet.

An alien race *could* be paranoid.

John Savard

"We do not colonize, we conquer."
Star Trek, Andromeda alien.

On Saturday, 25 August 2018 08:08:35 UTC+2, RichA wrote:
On Friday, 24 August 2018 02:35:11 UTC-4, Chris.B wrote:
On Friday, 24 August 2018 04:28:03 UTC+2, RichA wrote:

Anyone can travel between stars won't need a cloaking device against us.

If anyone could travel at the speed of light they would neither want to nor need to.
Why would they bother? To go on an exotic holiday? To conquer a few more planets?
Suppress a few more billions to their [human] way of thinking?

Yawn.

Nothing is _that_ exotic when you've already seen everything there is to see.
A wet planet packed with backward worker ants all pretending to be a higher species?

Yawn.

"Conquering the galaxy" is a very human viewpoint.
Nobody else is that daft. Nor that sociopathically aggressive.

When did you meet, "them" to have determined this?

Simple logic. Any species with the capacity for light travel must [surely] have worn out the age old problem of lack of resources?

On Saturday, 25 August 2018 08:09:42 UTC+2, RichA wrote:
On Friday, 24 August 2018 03:44:55 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
On Friday, August 24, 2018 at 12:35:11 AM UTC-6, Chris.B wrote:

"Conquering the galaxy" is a very human viewpoint.
Nobody else is that daft. Nor that sociopathically aggressive.
Nor that badly organized regarding its population control.

It certainly is true that some humans, like Arthur C. Clarke, have pretty much
seen that we ourselves will realize that "conquering the galaxy" is daft long
before we're in a position to take a stab at it.

So you're likely to be right, even though you do not have direct observational
knowledge of what the other clever beings in our galaxy are like.

I would be afraid of an alien species that did not have its own John W. Campbell
to arrange for the publication of countless science fiction stories explaining
just how likely it is that an intelligent, even if technically inferior, species
would find ways to defend its freedom against attack. Aliens who had never
experienced anything like the Vietnam War just might think they could get away
with conquering the Earth, should they feel a reason to do so.

And of course the notion of the first alien species to achieve interstellar
flight wiping out every other nascent civilization in the Universe, as a
precautionary measure against them developing technology and being warlike... is
not an utterly implausible solution to the Fermi Paradox. Where are they?
There's only one they, and they haven't got around to exterminating us... just
yet.

An alien race *could* be paranoid.

John Savard

"We do not colonize, we conquer."
Star Trek, Andromeda alien.

Star Trek does seem to have more than its fair share of good, old-fashioned, warrior races to maintain tension.

Today, the largest economies economically conquer weaker countries instead of attacking them by force. The superpowers make up the world's economic rules and bend the weaker nations to give away their natural resources for mere peanuts.

Letting the largest US earners pay no taxes is an all out nuclear assault on the rest of the world. The only "fallout" comes from the terrorism this automatically generates.

Hopefully Herr von Strumpet will be behind bars long before "he" can actually attack anybody physically. [Other than women he bragged about, of course.]

Like all corrupt and despotic leaders he can always call on the legions of brain washed sociopaths, from the lower orders, to loyally carry out his whims "for the GRATENESS of The Country." ;-)

On Saturday, 25 August 2018 13:02:05 UTC-4, Chris.B wrote:
On Saturday, 25 August 2018 08:09:42 UTC+2, RichA wrote:
On Friday, 24 August 2018 03:44:55 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
On Friday, August 24, 2018 at 12:35:11 AM UTC-6, Chris.B wrote:

"Conquering the galaxy" is a very human viewpoint.
Nobody else is that daft. Nor that sociopathically aggressive.
Nor that badly organized regarding its population control.

It certainly is true that some humans, like Arthur C. Clarke, have pretty much
seen that we ourselves will realize that "conquering the galaxy" is daft long
before we're in a position to take a stab at it.

So you're likely to be right, even though you do not have direct observational
knowledge of what the other clever beings in our galaxy are like.

I would be afraid of an alien species that did not have its own John W. Campbell
to arrange for the publication of countless science fiction stories explaining
just how likely it is that an intelligent, even if technically inferior, species
would find ways to defend its freedom against attack. Aliens who had never
experienced anything like the Vietnam War just might think they could get away
with conquering the Earth, should they feel a reason to do so.

And of course the notion of the first alien species to achieve interstellar
flight wiping out every other nascent civilization in the Universe, as a
precautionary measure against them developing technology and being warlike... is
not an utterly implausible solution to the Fermi Paradox. Where are they?
There's only one they, and they haven't got around to exterminating us... just
yet.

An alien race *could* be paranoid.

John Savard

"We do not colonize, we conquer."
Star Trek, Andromeda alien.

Star Trek does seem to have more than its fair share of good, old-fashioned, warrior races to maintain tension.

Today, the largest economies economically conquer weaker countries instead of attacking them by force. The superpowers make up the world's economic rules and bend the weaker nations to give away their natural resources for mere peanuts.

Letting the largest US earners pay no taxes is an all out nuclear assault on the rest of the world. The only "fallout" comes from the terrorism this automatically generates.

Hopefully Herr von Strumpet will be behind bars long before "he" can actually attack anybody physically. [Other than women he bragged about, of course.]


All Trump did (putting aside salacious trivia that didn't bother Democrats when Bill Clinton did it) was try to put the U.S. back a bit from the FACT the CLINTONS sold 1/3 of America's production of goods to the CHINESE by using horrifically-lopsided trade deals. Yeah, burn him at the stake.

On Monday, 27 August 2018 05:14:28 UTC+2, RichA wrote:
On Saturday, 25 August 2018 13:02:05 UTC-4, Chris.B wrote:
On Saturday, 25 August 2018 08:09:42 UTC+2, RichA wrote:
On Friday, 24 August 2018 03:44:55 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
On Friday, August 24, 2018 at 12:35:11 AM UTC-6, Chris.B wrote:

"Conquering the galaxy" is a very human viewpoint.
Nobody else is that daft. Nor that sociopathically aggressive.
Nor that badly organized regarding its population control.

It certainly is true that some humans, like Arthur C. Clarke, have pretty much
seen that we ourselves will realize that "conquering the galaxy" is daft long
before we're in a position to take a stab at it.

So you're likely to be right, even though you do not have direct observational
knowledge of what the other clever beings in our galaxy are like.

I would be afraid of an alien species that did not have its own John W. Campbell
to arrange for the publication of countless science fiction stories explaining
just how likely it is that an intelligent, even if technically inferior, species
would find ways to defend its freedom against attack. Aliens who had never
experienced anything like the Vietnam War just might think they could get away
with conquering the Earth, should they feel a reason to do so.

And of course the notion of the first alien species to achieve interstellar
flight wiping out every other nascent civilization in the Universe, as a
precautionary measure against them developing technology and being warlike... is
not an utterly implausible solution to the Fermi Paradox. Where are they?
There's only one they, and they haven't got around to exterminating us... just
yet.

An alien race *could* be paranoid.

John Savard

"We do not colonize, we conquer."
Star Trek, Andromeda alien.

Star Trek does seem to have more than its fair share of good, old-fashioned, warrior races to maintain tension.

Today, the largest economies economically conquer weaker countries instead of attacking them by force. The superpowers make up the world's economic rules and bend the weaker nations to give away their natural resources for mere peanuts.

Letting the largest US earners pay no taxes is an all out nuclear assault on the rest of the world. The only "fallout" comes from the terrorism this automatically generates.

Hopefully Herr von Strumpet will be behind bars long before "he" can actually attack anybody physically. [Other than women he bragged about, of course.]


All Trump did (putting aside salacious trivia that didn't bother Democrats when Bill Clinton did it) was try to put the U.S. back a bit from the FACT the CLINTONS sold 1/3 of America's production of goods to the CHINESE by using horrifically-lopsided trade deals. Yeah, burn him at the stake.

The problem with democracy is the pitiful qualities of those who put themselves forward to play the game of musical chairs on the gravy train. It may still be the most desirable form of government, to date. But it is highly vulnerable to being high-jacked by the tawdry personalities which always frequent the corridors of power.

Trumpet was so utterly loathsome and so transparently corrupt, that it was a full six months before I could actually bring myself to watch him speak his lies on TV.

It was just like watching a loathsome, T-Rex alien from low budget, Hollywood sci-fi movie without a script. It is unfortunate that it is no longer PC to call this slug "a retard." The term just seems so incredibly apt in his case. He totally encapsulates everything I detest about politicians.

The alternative was Clinton. What real choice was the American electorate offered? An extension of the existing [stinking] latrine trench? Or an oversized kid's training potty, badly over-painted in garish orange by its habitual owner.

America effectively rules the world. Yet the world gets no vote. Every American vote for Trumpet is another vote for Putin and Xi. WE still don't get a vote there either. What a way to run a planet! ;-)

On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 22:36:20 -0700 (PDT), Chris.B wrote:

The alternative was Clinton.

Really? Our news said that the alternative was Bernie Saunders but I
suppose that was fake news.

--
Regards - Rodney Pont
The from address exists but is mostly dumped,
please send any emails to the address below
e-mail rpont (at) gmail (dot) com

All Trump did (putting aside salacious trivia that didn't bother Democrats when Bill Clinton did it) was try to put the U.S. back a bit from the FACT the CLINTONS sold 1/3 of America's production of goods to the CHINESE by using horrifically-lopsided trade deals.

The US has never had - under Clinton or any other president - a trade deal with China. A group of new large retailers such as Walmart, Target and Home Depot moved sourcing to China and other developing markets with the very enthusiastic support of the consumer market. There is no way Clinton could have interfered with this shift without a whole bunch of free marketers led by Gingrich absolutely crucifying him.

Clinton's solution was NAFTA. NAFTA has worked well except (for you Trumpites anyway) that it helped brown people - oh alack a day.

Given your belief the US had a trade deal with China it would not be surprising to learn you are unaware of the role protected markets played in creating and exascerbating The Great Depression as well as the cycles of boom and bust the world experienced in the latter half of the 19th Century.

Blue collar workers in the US are not suffering from free trade. Rather they are suffering from the Corporate onslaught against organized labor. Had the US adopted a union friendly scheme such as Germany where unions are protected by law and have mandatory seats on the board of directors of corporations US workers would not be in the mess they are now. And of course it would be a cold day in hell before Trump or any Republican made any attempt to encourage organized labor.