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Old May 3rd 14, 12:30 AM posted to sci.astro
Greg Hennessy[_2_]
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Interesting paper, but a little dry and inconclusive.
"Analysis of the data from all four gyroscopes results in a geodetic
drift rate of -6,601.8+/- 18.3 mas/yr and a frame-dragging drift rate
of -37.2 +/- 7.2 mas/yr, to be compared with the GR predictions of
-6,606.1 mas/yr and -39.2 mas/yr, respectively (`mas' is
milliarc-second; 1mas = 4.848 x 10-9 rad). "

So ... why the 4.3 mas/year discrepancy in geodetic frame drift rate
and 2.0 mas/year discrepancy in frame-dragging drift rate? Systematic
errors? Error bars? Flaws in GR?



Did you even read the paper, or just skim the abstract?

A mere
confirmation of GR to within the limits of confidence in the data
constrained by the engineering of the machine? In short, GP-B was a
failure?


Confirming a prediction of GR now counts as failure?


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Old May 3rd 14, 09:54 PM posted to sci.astro
Greg Hennessy[_2_]
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Did you even read the paper, or just skim the abstract?

Both, why?


Because several of your questions were answered in the paper.

Confirming a prediction of GR now counts as failure?


Yes, insofar as it advances the scientific base very little, gains us
no new physics, doesn't allow us a new technology like the WWWeb and
costs us a satellite and some man-years of highly educated scientists
and trying-to-get-educated PHD students.



Oh, the horror, those poor Ph. D. students who had to work on a FAILED
mission, one that gave the best verification of GR to date! They'll
never get jobs now with that stain on their resume.

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Old May 3rd 14, 12:50 AM posted to sci.astro
Bill Dugan
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On Sat, 03 May 2014 00:03:53 +0100, John wrote:

On Fri, 2 May 2014 20:09:52 +0000 (UTC), Greg Hennessy
wrote:

On 2014-05-02, wrote:
What happened to Gravity Probe B, the Stanford
experiment to test GR? They sent their detector
into orbit 3 years ago, but since then, no word.
Anybody here connected to that?

Could be prime grist for the conspiracy intellectuals -


The final results were released in May 2011. The results were
published in Physical Review Letters.

A copy can be found at
http://arxiv.org/abs/1105.3456


Cool, thank you for this. I managed to miss the results and I forgot
to look for them.
Interesting paper, but a little dry and inconclusive.
"Analysis of the data from all four gyroscopes results in a geodetic
drift rate of -6,601.8+/- 18.3 mas/yr and a frame-dragging drift rate
of -37.2 +/- 7.2 mas/yr, to be compared with the GR predictions of
-6,606.1 mas/yr and -39.2 mas/yr, respectively (`mas' is
milliarc-second; 1mas = 4.848 x 10-9 rad). "

So ... why the 4.3 mas/year discrepancy in geodetic frame drift rate
and 2.0 mas/year discrepancy in frame-dragging drift rate? Systematic
errors? Error bars? Flaws in GR?


The passage you quote shows the discrepancy is within the error bars.
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Old May 4th 14, 06:11 AM posted to sci.astro
Brad Guth[_3_]
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On Friday, May 2, 2014 10:12:55 AM UTC-7, wrote:
What happened to Gravity Probe B, the Stanford

experiment to test GR? They sent their detector

into orbit 3 years ago, but since then, no word.

Anybody here connected to that?


Could be prime grist for the conspiracy intellectuals -

--

Rich


They ran out of public loot, and once again managed to not advance nor improve anything.
 




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