Questions For Noisy Big Bangers.

On 7/3/2013 3:43 PM, Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 06:12:30 -0500, Odd Bodkin wrote:

On 7/2/2013 6:08 PM, Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 12:02:22 -0500, Odd Bodkin wrote:

On 6/30/2013 4:39 PM, Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
It is claimed that a big bang occurred 14 billion years ago at a central point
in space and all matter was ejected outward at c from that point.

Can you give me the author and title or a URL to any reading material
where you got this? This seems counter to everything I've read about the
big bang.

Try wiki

Henry Wilson DSc.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
No central point in space.
You said, "It is claimed...." By whom?

By whoever invented the law that says momentum is conserved.

Isaac Newton said this about the big bang? Did he even know anything
about the big bang?


--
- Odd Bodkin, maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On 30/06/2013 5:39 PM, Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
It is claimed that a big bang occurred 14 billion years ago at a central point
in space and all matter was ejected outward at c from that point.

There is no central point for space. What is the central point of a
*surface* of a sphere? The surface of the sphere has no central point,
even if the volume of the sphere has a central point. But the volume of
the sphere exists in a higher dimension than the surface area of the
sphere, so it's a different thing.

So similarly, there is no central point for space in the Universe, but
there is a central point for the space-time of the Universe. Similar to
how the surface area of a sphere and the volume of a sphere are at
different dimensional levels, the space vs. the space-time of the
Universe are at different dimensional levels.

So with that one misconception of yours out of the way, the rest of your
questions become irrelevant.

snip

Yousuf Khan

On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 17:03:20 -0400, Yousuf Khan
wrote:

On 30/06/2013 5:39 PM, Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
It is claimed that a big bang occurred 14 billion years ago at a central point
in space and all matter was ejected outward at c from that point.

There is no central point for space. What is the central point of a
*surface* of a sphere? The surface of the sphere has no central point,
even if the volume of the sphere has a central point. But the volume of
the sphere exists in a higher dimension than the surface area of the
sphere, so it's a different thing.

So ****ing what?
The universe is a volume not a bloody surface
If there was a Big Bang, as some idiots still think, it must have happened at
a point in that VOLUME.

So similarly, there is no central point for space in the Universe, but
there is a central point for the space-time of the Universe. Similar to
how the surface area of a sphere and the volume of a sphere are at
different dimensional levels, the space vs. the space-time of the
Universe are at different dimensional levels.

What a load of crap...

So with that one misconception of yours out of the way, the rest of your
questions become irrelevant.

snip

Yousuf Khan

Henry Wilson DSc.

On 03/07/2013 00:11, Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 17:03:20 -0400, Yousuf Khan
wrote:

On 30/06/2013 5:39 PM, Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
It is claimed that a big bang occurred 14 billion years ago at a central point
in space and all matter was ejected outward at c from that point.

There is no central point for space. What is the central point of a
*surface* of a sphere? The surface of the sphere has no central point,
even if the volume of the sphere has a central point. But the volume of
the sphere exists in a higher dimension than the surface area of the
sphere, so it's a different thing.

So ****ing what?
The universe is a volume not a bloody surface
If there was a Big Bang, as some idiots still think, it must have happened at
a point in that VOLUME.

NO! You are stuck with imagining a spacetime with nothing in it except
the Big Bang precursor. But before the Big Bang the spacetime itself was
undefined it was literally a void with no space or time.

Our equations of physics become unclear at the moment of the Big Bang
but work pretty well from some infinitessimal time after to the present
day and predict the observed elemental abundances, a violent early
universe and the cosmic microwave background as classic observables.

It was the huge density of observed active radio galaxies at great
distance that put the nail in the coffin of Steady State theory. We can
now see even deeper and get redshifts on many more distant galaxies.

So similarly, there is no central point for space in the Universe, but
there is a central point for the space-time of the Universe. Similar to
how the surface area of a sphere and the volume of a sphere are at
different dimensional levels, the space vs. the space-time of the
Universe are at different dimensional levels.

What a load of crap...

You don't understand what you are talking about and make no effort to
learn - you just keep repeating your wild inaccurate claims.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 08:17:02 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 03/07/2013 00:11, Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 17:03:20 -0400, Yousuf Khan
wrote:

On 30/06/2013 5:39 PM, Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
It is claimed that a big bang occurred 14 billion years ago at a central point
in space and all matter was ejected outward at c from that point.

There is no central point for space. What is the central point of a
*surface* of a sphere? The surface of the sphere has no central point,
even if the volume of the sphere has a central point. But the volume of
the sphere exists in a higher dimension than the surface area of the
sphere, so it's a different thing.

So ****ing what?
The universe is a volume not a bloody surface
If there was a Big Bang, as some idiots still think, it must have happened at
a point in that VOLUME.

NO! You are stuck with imagining a spacetime with nothing in it except
the Big Bang precursor. But before the Big Bang the spacetime itself was
undefined it was literally a void with no space or time.

Hahahhha! So one minute there is nothing...next minute, voila!!!! We have a
whole universe....Go to the top of the class....the magician's class.....

Our equations of physics become unclear at the moment of the Big Bang
but work pretty well from some infinitessimal time after to the present
day and predict the observed elemental abundances, a violent early
universe and the cosmic microwave background as classic observables.

Bull****. Little Bangs occur regularly in the form of Supernovae...and they're
not so little....

It was the huge density of observed active radio galaxies at great
distance that put the nail in the coffin of Steady State theory. We can
now see even deeper and get redshifts on many more distant galaxies.

Redshifts have nothing to do with an expanding universe. Light simply loses
energy as it travels....it turns red....

So similarly, there is no central point for space in the Universe, but
there is a central point for the space-time of the Universe. Similar to
how the surface area of a sphere and the volume of a sphere are at
different dimensional levels, the space vs. the space-time of the
Universe are at different dimensional levels.

What a load of crap...

You don't understand what you are talking about and make no effort to
learn - you just keep repeating your wild inaccurate claims.

You must be new here. Why don't you read some of the messages and find out
what most of us think about Einstein's silly theory.

Henry Wilson DSc.

On 04/07/2013 10:59, Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 08:17:02 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 03/07/2013 00:11, Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 17:03:20 -0400, Yousuf Khan
wrote:

On 30/06/2013 5:39 PM, Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
It is claimed that a big bang occurred 14 billion years ago at a central point
in space and all matter was ejected outward at c from that point.

There is no central point for space. What is the central point of a
*surface* of a sphere? The surface of the sphere has no central point,
even if the volume of the sphere has a central point. But the volume of
the sphere exists in a higher dimension than the surface area of the
sphere, so it's a different thing.

So ****ing what?
The universe is a volume not a bloody surface
If there was a Big Bang, as some idiots still think, it must have happened at
a point in that VOLUME.

NO! You are stuck with imagining a spacetime with nothing in it except
the Big Bang precursor. But before the Big Bang the spacetime itself was
undefined it was literally a void with no space or time.

Hahahhha! So one minute there is nothing...next minute, voila!!!! We have a
whole universe....Go to the top of the class....the magician's class.....

Quantum fluctuations allow all sorts of interesting things to happen on
the finest scales in our universe. Our universe may itself be a quantum
fluctuation in the void or if string theory is right the result of a
collision between objects in some higher dimensional space.

Our equations of physics become unclear at the moment of the Big Bang
but work pretty well from some infinitessimal time after to the present
day and predict the observed elemental abundances, a violent early
universe and the cosmic microwave background as classic observables.

Bull****. Little Bangs occur regularly in the form of Supernovae...and they're
not so little....

They are nothing like the original Big Bang and are well explained by
modern physics even to predicting the shapes of supernova remnants and
the light curve of the resulting object. They are superb standard
candles since a single Type Ia supernova can outshine an entire galaxy!

It was the huge density of observed active radio galaxies at great
distance that put the nail in the coffin of Steady State theory. We can
now see even deeper and get redshifts on many more distant galaxies.

Redshifts have nothing to do with an expanding universe. Light simply loses
energy as it travels....it turns red....

Tired light theory was already tired and discredited many years ago.

So similarly, there is no central point for space in the Universe, but
there is a central point for the space-time of the Universe. Similar to
how the surface area of a sphere and the volume of a sphere are at
different dimensional levels, the space vs. the space-time of the
Universe are at different dimensional levels.

What a load of crap...

You don't understand what you are talking about and make no effort to
learn - you just keep repeating your wild inaccurate claims.

You must be new here. Why don't you read some of the messages and find out
what most of us think about Einstein's silly theory.

Henry Wilson DSc.

Another drooling anti-Einstein ****wit with delusions of adequacy.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 7/4/2013 4:59 AM, Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
Hahahhha! So one minute there is nothing...next minute, voila!!!! We have a
whole universe....Go to the top of the class....the magician's class.....

Isn't that the basic idea of the big bang?
Would you say that the idea is too incredible to even consider? Why?

--
- Odd Bodkin, maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On 02/07/2013 7:11 PM, Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 17:03:20 -0400, Yousuf Khan
wrote:

On 30/06/2013 5:39 PM, Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
It is claimed that a big bang occurred 14 billion years ago at a central point
in space and all matter was ejected outward at c from that point.

There is no central point for space. What is the central point of a
*surface* of a sphere? The surface of the sphere has no central point,
even if the volume of the sphere has a central point. But the volume of
the sphere exists in a higher dimension than the surface area of the
sphere, so it's a different thing.

So ****ing what?
The universe is a volume not a bloody surface
If there was a Big Bang, as some idiots still think, it must have happened at
a point in that VOLUME.

Because a 3D volume is not enough dimensions in this case to find a
central point. When I say space vs. space-time, I'm talking about the
same difference as between a sphere's surface area vs. its volume. Space
is just the 3D surface on a 4D object.

Space has no central point, but space-time does, it's called the Big
Bang. That's what so ****ing what!

snip

Yousuf Khan

On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 10:40:38 -0400, Yousuf Khan
wrote:

On 02/07/2013 7:11 PM, Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 17:03:20 -0400, Yousuf Khan
wrote:

On 30/06/2013 5:39 PM, Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
It is claimed that a big bang occurred 14 billion years ago at a central point
in space and all matter was ejected outward at c from that point.

There is no central point for space. What is the central point of a
*surface* of a sphere? The surface of the sphere has no central point,
even if the volume of the sphere has a central point. But the volume of
the sphere exists in a higher dimension than the surface area of the
sphere, so it's a different thing.

So ****ing what?
The universe is a volume not a bloody surface
If there was a Big Bang, as some idiots still think, it must have happened at
a point in that VOLUME.

Because a 3D volume is not enough dimensions in this case to find a
central point. When I say space vs. space-time, I'm talking about the
same difference as between a sphere's surface area vs. its volume. Space
is just the 3D surface on a 4D object.

Space has no central point, but space-time does, it's called the Big
Bang. That's what so ****ing what!

You're full of bull****....that's so ****ing what.

If a BB occurred, it must have occurred at a single point in 3D space at one
particular instant on the absolute and universal time scale.


snip

Yousuf Khan

Henry Wilson DSc.

On 04/07/2013 6:59 PM, Henry Wilson DSc. wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 10:40:38 -0400, Yousuf Khan
wrote:
Because a 3D volume is not enough dimensions in this case to find a
central point. When I say space vs. space-time, I'm talking about the
same difference as between a sphere's surface area vs. its volume. Space
is just the 3D surface on a 4D object.

Space has no central point, but space-time does, it's called the Big
Bang. That's what so ****ing what!

You're full of bull****....that's so ****ing what.

If a BB occurred, it must have occurred at a single point in 3D space at one
particular instant on the absolute and universal time scale.

For somebody who asks so many ****ing questions, you have no capacity to
hear answers. It's a clever way to keep asking questions, because you'll
never run out of questions, since you'll keep asking the same ones over
and over again. Time to hang it up, and shut up for a moment.

Yousuf Khan