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On Mar 4, 10:45*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:
On Mar 4, 4:12*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Quadibloc wrote:
On Mar 3, 7:55*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:

So how is that in anyone else's way?

Well, it does cost the taxpayer money.

Yes, but that's not in the way of anyone else wanting to spend their
own money, which is what's being talked about. *Unless what Bobbert
really means by 'in the way' is it somehow prevents government going
to whoever Bobbert thinks it ought to be going to.

Again, for Bobbert, so how is that in anyone else's way?

Musk is developing a manned falcon to be ready in around 2 years, the
unmanned cargo flights *are testing the falcon booster and operations
while resupplying ISS, it costs only 10% of a nasa version....

Now if ares / orion / or whatever its named these days were a pure
heavy lift I probably wouldnt care but its being sold as a manned
launcher too. . Instead its nasas latest pork project. To reward past
nasa contractors. Its cost per flight will be so high there will be no
money for missions, err jobs for it to do...

I dont know about the rest of you, but budgets are tight right now.

If your family is short on cash do you buy a brand new vehicle that
will only be used once a year for a family vacation?

or a slightly smaller daily driver say a minivan? certinally it cant
haul a tractor trailer load of stuff but it can get used daily. the
tractor trailer? not only is purchase price high but we cant even
afford the fuel

The shuttle was sold to have a high flight rate to make its costs
lower.

the last thing we need is another low flight rate vehicle

orion is just a boondgle wasting $$$ *and nasa should of man rated the
delta heavy. cost a fraction of orion and the higher flight rate of
delta would of benefitted everyone

Let me try again, Bobbert. *Please ADDRESS THE QUESTION. *How is NASA
in anyone else's way?

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
*territory."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --G. Behn

Nasa is the largest single customer of launch services, currently by
building orion a duplicative and unnecessary launcher it will cut
launch rate and may prevent musk from builiding his own heavy lifter.

by all appearances musk operates at a fraction of nasas cost
structure.

assuming orion actually gets built what need would there be for a
private heavy lifter?

nasa will use its own orion and with so few possible commercial
customers no low cost heavy lifter.

its the same issue as why nasa after columbia didnt man rate the delta
heavy? because nasa wanted its own pork project.

if delta had been man rated right after columbia we wouldnt be
dependent on russia today for getting astronauts to ISS.

ARES / Orion / whatever is just pork. that we can no longer afford.

heck they are cutting funding for private launchers while funding
orion at 100%

congress is behind much of this, the same dysfunctional congress who
takes us thru sequestration and in a few weeks will see our country
defaut rather than be reasonable and reach a compromise.

congress prefers to play politics rather than do its job...........

"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
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bob haller wrote:

On Mar 3, 1:35 am, Quadibloc wrote:
This news item

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/03...a-has-designed...

notes that at least a tentative approximate date has been set for a
test flight of Orion; thus, a craft that NASA could use to send humans
to the Moon, an asteroid, or even Mars _is_ slowly becoming a reality.

John Savard

Orion costs way too much, plus a capsule is great for transit to LEO,
but really not large enough to go far. Theres no money for orion
missions. This program is just a BIG pork piggie payoff to previous
shuttle contractors.

Our country can no longer afford pork.

Meanwhile space X delivers supplies to ISS for 10% of $$$ what a NASA
system would.

NASA needs to get out of the way and let private operators do things


Just how is NASA 'in the way', Bobbert?

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

The bobbert thinks that the private sector ONLY should have HSF now or in
the future. Such fantasies need to be knocked out of his ass-by a
two-by-four if necessary.