Another asteroid sampling mission, and yet NONE to Mars yet?

On Jan 4, 9:34*pm, RichA wrote:
On Jan 4, 5:44*am, wrote:


On Jan 4, 1:42*am, Paul Schlyter wrote:

On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 19:13:17 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote:

So they can get material from pint-sized asteroids (second mission
is
planned) but we've yet to send and get back a probe to Mars. *Why?

Because the gravity of Mars is much higher and therefore a sample
return from Mars requires much more fuel.

It isn't so much that an actual launch from Mars would be so difficult
(1/3 Earth gravity,) but rather that landing the launch equipment and
fuel could be problematic and expensive.

Funding would have to compete with the pork found in the Hurricane
Sandy relief bill. However, given the Congress's spending habits,
maybe not.

The Sandy damage claim level is pure fraud and should be dispensed
with. *I challenge anybody to innumerate on the $60 billion damages
claimed.

Insurance should cover much of the loss of private property, except
that National Flood Insurance Program doesn't seem to have enough for
the payouts. IOW, the federal government didn't collect enough in
premiums to cover losses. The taxpayers, most of whom do NOT live in
flood zones, do NOT live near the beach and who pay for all of their
own insurance, get to bail out the victims.

It goes without saying that those who had NO flood insurance of any
kind should eat the loss.

Federal LOANS to state and local governments -might- be appropriate
for repair of critical infrastructure (but not to rebuild parks,
etc.)

The relief bill includes millions in pork for Amtrak, Alaskan
fisheries, Smithsonian roof repair, HUD CDBGs ($17B), new cars for
DHS, etc.

On Jan 4, 11:54*am, Paul Schlyter wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 09:20:30 -0500, Davoud wrote:
RichA:
So they can get material from pint-sized asteroids (second
mission
is planned) but we've yet to send and get back a probe to Mars.
*Why?
Paul Schlyter:
Because the gravity of Mars is much higher and therefore a sample
return from Mars requires much more fuel.
IMO, neither mission makes sense. You can buy a piece of an
asteroid on
Astromart for $100. A piece of Mars costs a bit more, but we have

them.

Nobody knows from where on Mars these pieces came. On pieces obtained
from a sample return mission, one would know that

No one could ever accuse Davoid of committing a thought crime, nor
could those at his local school system, since neither he nor they seem
to be capable of thought in the first place.

However, six year olds apparently can be so accused:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...efc_story.html

wrote:
On Jan 4, 11:54 am, Paul Schlyter wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 09:20:30 -0500, Davoud wrote:
RichA:
So they can get material from pint-sized asteroids (second
mission
is planned) but we've yet to send and get back a probe to Mars.
Why?
Paul Schlyter:
Because the gravity of Mars is much higher and therefore a sample
return from Mars requires much more fuel.
IMO, neither mission makes sense. You can buy a piece of an
asteroid on
Astromart for $100. A piece of Mars costs a bit more, but we have

them.

Nobody knows from where on Mars these pieces came. On pieces obtained
from a sample return mission, one would know that

No one could ever accuse Davoid of committing a thought crime, nor
could those at his local school system, since neither he nor they seem
to be capable of thought in the first place.

However, six year olds apparently can be so accused:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...efc_story.html

Just another symptom of a sick society. Easier to punish a six year old
than banish guns.

On Jan 5, 9:36*am, Mike Collins wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 4, 11:54 am, Paul Schlyter wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 09:20:30 -0500, Davoud wrote:
RichA:
So they can get material from pint-sized asteroids (second
mission
is planned) but we've yet to send and get back a probe to Mars.
*Why?
Paul Schlyter:
Because the gravity of Mars is much higher and therefore a sample
return from Mars requires much more fuel.
IMO, neither mission makes sense. You can buy a piece of an
asteroid on
Astromart for $100. A piece of Mars costs a bit more, but we have

them.

Nobody knows from where on Mars these pieces came. On pieces obtained
from a sample return mission, one would know that

No one could ever accuse Davoid of committing a thought crime, nor
could those at his local school system, since neither he nor they seem
to be capable of thought in the first place.

However, six year olds apparently can be so accused:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...pended-from-si...

Just another symptom of a sick society. Easier to *punish a six year old
than banish guns.

The six year old did nothing wrong, and therefore needed no
punishment.

A gun probably would have saved the victim in this case:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...stole-car.html

We can rest assured that your constabulary, perhaps having no guns,
pursued the assailant(s) with "extreme assertiveness" correct?

wrote:
On Jan 5, 9:36 am, Mike Collins wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 4, 11:54 am, Paul Schlyter wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 09:20:30 -0500, Davoud wrote:
RichA:
So they can get material from pint-sized asteroids (second
mission
is planned) but we've yet to send and get back a probe to Mars.
Why?
Paul Schlyter:
Because the gravity of Mars is much higher and therefore a sample
return from Mars requires much more fuel.
IMO, neither mission makes sense. You can buy a piece of an
asteroid on
Astromart for $100. A piece of Mars costs a bit more, but we have

them.

Nobody knows from where on Mars these pieces came. On pieces obtained
from a sample return mission, one would know that

No one could ever accuse Davoid of committing a thought crime, nor
could those at his local school system, since neither he nor they seem
to be capable of thought in the first place.

However, six year olds apparently can be so accused:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...pended-from-si...

Just another symptom of a sick society. Easier to punish a six year old
than banish guns.

The six year old did nothing wrong, and therefore needed no
punishment.

A gun probably would have saved the victim in this case:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...stole-car.html

We can rest assured that your constabulary, perhaps having no guns,
pursued the assailant(s) with "extreme assertiveness" correct?

31,000 gun deaths in USA in 2011 including 11,101 murders.
51 gun deaths in UK in 2011.

On Jan 5, 10:23*am, Mike Collins wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 5, 9:36 am, Mike Collins wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 4, 11:54 am, Paul Schlyter wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 09:20:30 -0500, Davoud wrote:
RichA:
So they can get material from pint-sized asteroids (second
mission
is planned) but we've yet to send and get back a probe to Mars.
*Why?
Paul Schlyter:
Because the gravity of Mars is much higher and therefore a sample
return from Mars requires much more fuel.
IMO, neither mission makes sense. You can buy a piece of an
asteroid on
Astromart for $100. A piece of Mars costs a bit more, but we have

them.

Nobody knows from where on Mars these pieces came. On pieces obtained
from a sample return mission, one would know that

No one could ever accuse Davoid of committing a thought crime, nor
could those at his local school system, since neither he nor they seem
to be capable of thought in the first place.

However, six year olds apparently can be so accused:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...pended-from-si....

Just another symptom of a sick society. Easier to *punish a six year old
than banish guns.

The six year old did nothing wrong, and therefore needed no
punishment.

A gun probably would have saved the victim in this case:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...er-Paul-Cox-83...

We can rest assured that your constabulary, perhaps having no guns,
pursued the assailant(s) with "extreme assertiveness" correct?

31,000 gun deaths in USA in 2011 including 11,101 murders.
51 gun deaths in UK in 2011.

Break that down for us by ethnic group of perp, ethnic group of
victim, age of victim, gender of victim, gun laws versus murder rate
by US state and city, % of gun homicides versus all homicides, cases
where guns were used for self defense, etc.

It would appear that you open up your citizens to being murdered by
means other than guns. What have you to say about the case of the
elderly UK man strangled in his home last year?

Guns are equalizers. As a collectivist you should be in favor of
that.

wrote:
On Jan 5, 10:23 am, Mike Collins wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 5, 9:36 am, Mike Collins wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 4, 11:54 am, Paul Schlyter wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 09:20:30 -0500, Davoud wrote:
RichA:
So they can get material from pint-sized asteroids (second
mission
is planned) but we've yet to send and get back a probe to Mars.
Why?
Paul Schlyter:
Because the gravity of Mars is much higher and therefore a sample
return from Mars requires much more fuel.
IMO, neither mission makes sense. You can buy a piece of an
asteroid on
Astromart for $100. A piece of Mars costs a bit more, but we have

them.

Nobody knows from where on Mars these pieces came. On pieces obtained
from a sample return mission, one would know that

No one could ever accuse Davoid of committing a thought crime, nor
could those at his local school system, since neither he nor they seem
to be capable of thought in the first place.

However, six year olds apparently can be so accused:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...pended-from-si...

Just another symptom of a sick society. Easier to punish a six year old
than banish guns.

The six year old did nothing wrong, and therefore needed no
punishment.

A gun probably would have saved the victim in this case:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...er-Paul-Cox-83...

We can rest assured that your constabulary, perhaps having no guns,
pursued the assailant(s) with "extreme assertiveness" correct?

31,000 gun deaths in USA in 2011 including 11,101 murders.
51 gun deaths in UK in 2011.

Break that down for us by ethnic group of perp, ethnic group of
victim, age of victim, gender of victim, gun laws versus murder rate
by US state and city, % of gun homicides versus all homicides, cases
where guns were used for self defense, etc.

It would appear that you open up your citizens to being murdered by
means other than guns. What have you to say about the case of the
elderly UK man strangled in his home last year?

Guns are equalizers. As a collectivist you should be in favor of
that.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jul/...-crime-figures

wrote:
On Jan 5, 9:36 am, Mike Collins wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 4, 11:54 am, Paul Schlyter wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 09:20:30 -0500, Davoud wrote:
RichA:
So they can get material from pint-sized asteroids (second
mission
is planned) but we've yet to send and get back a probe to Mars.
Why?
Paul Schlyter:
Because the gravity of Mars is much higher and therefore a sample
return from Mars requires much more fuel.
IMO, neither mission makes sense. You can buy a piece of an
asteroid on
Astromart for $100. A piece of Mars costs a bit more, but we have

them.

Nobody knows from where on Mars these pieces came. On pieces obtained
from a sample return mission, one would know that

No one could ever accuse Davoid of committing a thought crime, nor
could those at his local school system, since neither he nor they seem
to be capable of thought in the first place.

However, six year olds apparently can be so accused:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...pended-from-si...

Just another symptom of a sick society. Easier to punish a six year old
than banish guns.

The six year old did nothing wrong, and therefore needed no
punishment.

A gun probably would have saved the victim in this case:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...stole-car.html

We can rest assured that your constabulary, perhaps having no guns,
pursued the assailant(s) with "extreme assertiveness" correct?

http://www.newscentralga.com/news/lo...185106181.html

On Jan 4, 10:25*am, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 19:13:17 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote:

So they can get material from pint-sized asteroids (second mission is
planned) but we've yet to send and get back a probe to Mars. *Why?

Mars is one of the most technically difficult planets to land on.

As opposed to landing on Mercury, Venus or one of the gas giants?!

On Jan 5, 11:40*am, Mike Collins wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 5, 10:23 am, Mike Collins wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 5, 9:36 am, Mike Collins wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 4, 11:54 am, Paul Schlyter wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 09:20:30 -0500, Davoud wrote:
RichA:
So they can get material from pint-sized asteroids (second
mission
is planned) but we've yet to send and get back a probe to Mars.
*Why?
Paul Schlyter:
Because the gravity of Mars is much higher and therefore a sample
return from Mars requires much more fuel.
IMO, neither mission makes sense. You can buy a piece of an
asteroid on
Astromart for $100. A piece of Mars costs a bit more, but we have

them.

Nobody knows from where on Mars these pieces came. On pieces obtained
from a sample return mission, one would know that

No one could ever accuse Davoid of committing a thought crime, nor
could those at his local school system, since neither he nor they seem
to be capable of thought in the first place.

However, six year olds apparently can be so accused:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...pended-from-si...

Just another symptom of a sick society. Easier to *punish a six year old
than banish guns.

The six year old did nothing wrong, and therefore needed no
punishment.

A gun probably would have saved the victim in this case:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...er-Paul-Cox-83....

We can rest assured that your constabulary, perhaps having no guns,
pursued the assailant(s) with "extreme assertiveness" correct?

31,000 gun deaths in USA in 2011 including 11,101 murders.
51 gun deaths in UK in 2011.

Break that down for us by ethnic group of perp, ethnic group of
victim, age of victim, gender of victim, gun laws versus murder rate
by US state and city, % of gun homicides versus all homicides, cases
where guns were used for self defense, etc.

It would appear that you open up your citizens to being murdered by
means other than guns. What have you to say about the case of the
elderly UK man strangled in his home last year?

Guns are equalizers. *As a collectivist you should be in favor of
that.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jul/...-crime-figures

If you had read the article perhaps you might have learned that crime
rates are dropping throughout the western world and that much of this
is due to improved security technology along with lower demand for
stolen goods.

Now, how about providing some detailed numbers to go along with (and
refute) the cherry-picked stats you foisted upon us earlier.

While you are at it, tell us more about who ends up being the victims
when guns are "banished." Start with the example of the elderly man
who was strangled in his own home. Did he have a gun?

Then, tell us what the six year old did that was wrong.