NASA Will Explore F-1 Upgrade For Heavy Lifter

On 30/07/2012 5:29 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
Those Zionist Nazis had all sorts of advanced fly-by-rocket stuff,
that our local Oligarch Skull and Bones never allowed to happen. The
Zionists always had the very best schooling that money and their upper
caste connections could buy, and our operation Paperclip was the
primary reason for our guys going into that war against Hitler.


You are insane.

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says...

von braun had plans for a reusable saturn 5, but it never went anywhere

There were numerous studies, but no real "plans" to speak of.

Astronautix.com is littered with Saturn V "upgrades". It's quite an
interesting historical topic, but nothing more since there was no money
to implement any of the "upgrades". In fact, it's quite obvious that
there was no money to even keep Saturn production going. NASA was
essentially in the process closing down Saturn production *before* the
first lunar landing!

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
- tinker

On 30/07/2012 10:49 PM, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article ,
says...

von braun had plans for a reusable saturn 5, but it never went anywhere

There were numerous studies, but no real "plans" to speak of.

Astronautix.com is littered with Saturn V "upgrades". It's quite an
interesting historical topic, but nothing more since there was no money
to implement any of the "upgrades". In fact, it's quite obvious that
there was no money to even keep Saturn production going. NASA was
essentially in the process closing down Saturn production *before* the
first lunar landing!

Jeff


Not quite true in the latter case. NASA had ordered a fixed number of
Saturn Vs and no further contracts were issued for that launcher.

In article om,
says...

On 30/07/2012 10:49 PM, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article ,
says...

von braun had plans for a reusable saturn 5, but it never went anywhere

There were numerous studies, but no real "plans" to speak of.

Astronautix.com is littered with Saturn V "upgrades". It's quite an
interesting historical topic, but nothing more since there was no money
to implement any of the "upgrades". In fact, it's quite obvious that
there was no money to even keep Saturn production going. NASA was
essentially in the process closing down Saturn production *before* the
first lunar landing!

Jeff


Not quite true in the latter case. NASA had ordered a fixed number of
Saturn Vs and no further contracts were issued for that launcher.

True. But for some time, many people at NASA kept hoping that they
would be allowed to order more in order to keep production going.
Otherwise, how would they launch the big space stations envisioned in
numerous studies?

Once production stopped, the next logical step was dismantling the
manufacturing infrastructure for the Saturn V. After all, keeping the
production facilities ready to produce more has a cost associated with
it. In the long run, money is saved by scrapping the tooling and
shuttering buildings which aren't needed for the next project.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
- tinker

On Jul 30, 9:38*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article om,
says...







On 30/07/2012 10:49 PM, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article ,
says...

von braun had plans for a reusable saturn 5, but it never went anywhere

There were numerous studies, but no real "plans" to speak of.

Astronautix.com is littered with Saturn V "upgrades". *It's quite an
interesting historical topic, but nothing more since there was no money
to implement any of the "upgrades". *In fact, it's quite obvious that
there was no money to even keep Saturn production going. *NASA was
essentially in the process closing down Saturn production *before* the
first lunar landing!

Jeff

Not quite true in the latter case. *NASA had ordered a fixed number of
Saturn Vs and no further contracts were issued for that launcher.

True. *But for some time, many people at NASA kept hoping that they
would be allowed to order more in order to keep production going.
Otherwise, how would they launch the big space stations envisioned in
numerous studies?

Once production stopped, the next logical step was dismantling the
manufacturing infrastructure for the Saturn V. *After all, keeping the
production facilities ready to produce more has a cost associated with
it. *In the long run, money is saved by scrapping the tooling and
shuttering buildings which aren't needed for the next project.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
* up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
* *- tinker

the truly sad part was leaving saturns outdoors to rot that were
flight ready.....

In article 3f50cd01-b6bc-426e-8558-e4cf173a4be4
@f16g2000yqg.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jul 30, 9:38*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article om,
says...







On 30/07/2012 10:49 PM, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article ,
says...

von braun had plans for a reusable saturn 5, but it never went anywhere

There were numerous studies, but no real "plans" to speak of.

Astronautix.com is littered with Saturn V "upgrades". *It's quite an
interesting historical topic, but nothing more since there was no money
to implement any of the "upgrades". *In fact, it's quite obvious that
there was no money to even keep Saturn production going. *NASA was
essentially in the process closing down Saturn production *before* the
first lunar landing!

Jeff

Not quite true in the latter case. *NASA had ordered a fixed number of
Saturn Vs and no further contracts were issued for that launcher.

True. *But for some time, many people at NASA kept hoping that they
would be allowed to order more in order to keep production going.
Otherwise, how would they launch the big space stations envisioned in
numerous studies?

Once production stopped, the next logical step was dismantling the
manufacturing infrastructure for the Saturn V. *After all, keeping the
production facilities ready to produce more has a cost associated with
it. *In the long run, money is saved by scrapping the tooling and
shuttering buildings which aren't needed for the next project.

the truly sad part was leaving saturns outdoors to rot that were
flight ready.....

The Saturn V's that are on display aren't made up of all flight worthy
stages. This has been covered many times before in these groups. In
fact, there are a few online resources which document the origins of
those stages.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
- tinker

On Jul 30, 9:50*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
*This has been covered many times before in these groups. *In
fact, there are a few online resources which document the origins of
those stages.

These "groups' were far from the end all knowledge source on
spaceflight.

In article 9e947468-b305-4d83-a6f8-3e0158c9b414@
5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jul 30, 9:50*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
*This has been covered many times before in these groups. *In
fact, there are a few online resources which document the origins of
those stages.

These "groups' were far from the end all knowledge source on
spaceflight.

Didn't say they were, just that it's been discussed before.

Examples of websites which document the origins of the Saturn V stages
on display:

http://www.spacelaunchreport.com/saturn.html

http://americanspacecraft.com/pages/booster/index.html


My original point was, not everything you see on display is "flight
worthy". Because of this, I have a feeling that Bob might be over
estimating how many "flight worthy" Saturn V launch vehicles existed
after the last Saturn V flew.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
- tinker

In article ,
says...

Jeff Findley wrote:

In article 3f50cd01-b6bc-426e-8558-e4cf173a4be4
, says...

the truly sad part was leaving saturns outdoors to rot that were
flight ready.....

The Saturn V's that are on display aren't made up of all flight worthy
stages. This has been covered many times before in these groups. In
fact, there are a few online resources which document the origins of
those stages.


He is actually sort of right, though. As I understand it, there were
a couple of vehicles that were flight hardware that had no missions so
were just left sitting....

True there were "a couple" leftover sets of "flight worthy" stages.

From what I've read, JSC is home to the only Saturn V on display made up
of all "flight worthy" stages. KSC has a "flight worthy" second and
third stage. Michoud has the (last built) "flight worthy" first stage.
The Saturn V on display at MSFC consists of all test stages.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
- tinker

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:03:03 -0400, Jeff Findley
wrote:

From what I've read, JSC is home to the only Saturn V on display made up
of all "flight worthy" stages. KSC has a "flight worthy" second and
third stage. Michoud has the (last built) "flight worthy" first stage.
The Saturn V on display at MSFC consists of all test stages.

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2127/1