an explanation of Saturn's rings

Everybody knows that Saturn's rings are the universe's largest phonograph record, recording God's
explanation of the meaning of life, the universe, and everything, just waiting these past 6000 years
for us to become advanced enough to build The Great Stylus.

(gravity jones) wrote in message ...
There is a another type of analysis not too much en vogue...that of
thinking about rings being in a location where there is the least
resistence and / or interaction. where a moon sweeps up a region of the
ring well there it goes..a nice hole between rings. All forces and
interactions in the viscinity of where saturn is and what saturn does
and all external forces say where and whe rings should exist no matter
what you arbitarily decide should be the rings origin, Waveyness in the
rings then would have the same general explanation plus the fact that
that rings may also impart their own forces. what i have seen in some
of the pictures coming back is a spiral effect in the rings of globs in
the rings perhaps having enhanced gravity probably due to black body
radiation retention...the same effect has been observed among the
asteroids in asteroid belt. The only explanation for enhanced gravity
of small masses is a new theory of thermodynamics being the actual
cause of gravity (as the effect) such that the sum of energy and the sum
of mass retained by a massive body minus the sum of lost energy and
lost mass over a set period of time will acount for any gravity anomoly
of enncement. (turns out its not just the anomaly!)

The Thermodynamic Cause of Gravity:
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I doubt that any new laws of gravity or thermodynamics are required.
However, it is a puzzle why the rings stay so flat and don't evaporate
over time. I'd expect randomly colliding particles to occasionally
get a few km/s push out of the ring plane, and if there's nothing to
stop them, they'd just leave the ring. The smallest particles would
get the biggest push.

Something's got to cause friction, making the particles interact, so
the rings don't boil away. Electric charges would just make it worse.
Magnetic, well, how is that going to work? Especially if the ring is
largely water ice? And there's not enough material for gravity to
hold the rings flat. Which leaves ... an atmosphere? Do the rings
have a clear atmosphere that extends above and below them? That way,
the particles would be large compared to the gas molecules, the gas
would bleed off any extra energy and let them sit in the bottom of any
basin. The ring particles then would be going in circles, not in
resonance with anything. Is there any evidence of such a gas?

(gravity jones) wrote in message ...
There is a another type of analysis not too much en vogue...that of
thinking about rings being in a location where there is the least
resistence and / or interaction. where a moon sweeps up a region of the
ring well there it goes..a nice hole between rings. All forces and
interactions in the viscinity of where saturn is and what saturn does
and all external forces say where and whe rings should exist no matter
what you arbitarily decide should be the rings origin, Waveyness in the
rings then would have the same general explanation plus the fact that
that rings may also impart their own forces. what i have seen in some
of the pictures coming back is a spiral effect in the rings of globs in
the rings perhaps having enhanced gravity probably due to black body
radiation retention...the same effect has been observed among the
asteroids in asteroid belt. The only explanation for enhanced gravity
of small masses is a new theory of thermodynamics being the actual
cause of gravity (as the effect) such that the sum of energy and the sum
of mass retained by a massive body minus the sum of lost energy and
lost mass over a set period of time will acount for any gravity anomoly
of enncement. (turns out its not just the anomaly!)

The Thermodynamic Cause of Gravity:
Site Below is due for update and removal of mistakes:

http://www.webspawner.com/users/gravity/index.html

I doubt that any new laws of gravity or thermodynamics are required.
However, it is a puzzle why the rings stay so flat and don't evaporate
over time. I'd expect randomly colliding particles to occasionally
get a few km/s push out of the ring plane, and if there's nothing to
stop them, they'd just leave the ring. The smallest particles would
get the biggest push.

Something's got to cause friction, making the particles interact, so
the rings don't boil away. Electric charges would just make it worse.
Magnetic, well, how is that going to work? Especially if the ring is
largely water ice? And there's not enough material for gravity to
hold the rings flat. Which leaves ... an atmosphere? Do the rings
have a clear atmosphere that extends above and below them? That way,
the particles would be large compared to the gas molecules, the gas
would bleed off any extra energy and let them sit in the bottom of any
basin. The ring particles then would be going in circles, not in
resonance with anything. Is there any evidence of such a gas?

In message , Bob
Jenkins writes

I doubt that any new laws of gravity or thermodynamics are required.
However, it is a puzzle why the rings stay so flat and don't evaporate
over time. I'd expect randomly colliding particles to occasionally
get a few km/s push out of the ring plane, and if there's nothing to
stop them, they'd just leave the ring. The smallest particles would
get the biggest push.


Isn't the point that the rings _aren't_ stable, at least over millions
of years? The Voyagers saw differences, and Cassini will see a lot more
detail.
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In message , Bob
Jenkins writes

I doubt that any new laws of gravity or thermodynamics are required.
However, it is a puzzle why the rings stay so flat and don't evaporate
over time. I'd expect randomly colliding particles to occasionally
get a few km/s push out of the ring plane, and if there's nothing to
stop them, they'd just leave the ring. The smallest particles would
get the biggest push.


Isn't the point that the rings _aren't_ stable, at least over millions
of years? The Voyagers saw differences, and Cassini will see a lot more
detail.
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Everybody knows that Saturn's rings are the universe's largest phonograph record, recording God's
explanation of the meaning of life, the universe, and everything, just waiting these past 6000 years
for us to become advanced enough to build The Great Stylus.

Maybe it is actually a CD, and we need the Great Laser to read off the
digitised information... but know knows.

Everybody knows that Saturn's rings are the universe's largest phonograph record, recording God's
explanation of the meaning of life, the universe, and everything, just waiting these past 6000 years
for us to become advanced enough to build The Great Stylus.

Maybe it is actually a CD, and we need the Great Laser to read off the
digitised information... but know knows.

Jonathan Silverlight wrote in message ...
In message , Bob
Jenkins writes

I doubt that any new laws of gravity or thermodynamics are required.
However, it is a puzzle why the rings stay so flat and don't evaporate
over time. I'd expect randomly colliding particles to occasionally
get a few km/s push out of the ring plane, and if there's nothing to
stop them, they'd just leave the ring. The smallest particles would
get the biggest push.


Isn't the point that the rings _aren't_ stable, at least over millions
of years? The Voyagers saw differences, and Cassini will see a lot more
detail.

Oops, meant to say km/h, not km/s. Even if they aren't stable for
millions of years, Galileo saw them, and they're still there today.
That's plenty of time for Saturn and its moons to scatter most
randomly placed debris. The pictures of the rings showed those
LP-record like waves, which are the result of something irreversible
(otherwise there'd be waves in both directions), so the rings aren't
just in stable noninteracting orbits.

Jonathan Silverlight wrote in message ...
In message , Bob
Jenkins writes

I doubt that any new laws of gravity or thermodynamics are required.
However, it is a puzzle why the rings stay so flat and don't evaporate
over time. I'd expect randomly colliding particles to occasionally
get a few km/s push out of the ring plane, and if there's nothing to
stop them, they'd just leave the ring. The smallest particles would
get the biggest push.


Isn't the point that the rings _aren't_ stable, at least over millions
of years? The Voyagers saw differences, and Cassini will see a lot more
detail.

Oops, meant to say km/h, not km/s. Even if they aren't stable for
millions of years, Galileo saw them, and they're still there today.
That's plenty of time for Saturn and its moons to scatter most
randomly placed debris. The pictures of the rings showed those
LP-record like waves, which are the result of something irreversible
(otherwise there'd be waves in both directions), so the rings aren't
just in stable noninteracting orbits.